DHS Secretary Says There's No Family Separation Policy 'Period'
Source: HP
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen defended her agencys role at the U.S. border with Mexico on Sunday, saying there was no family separation policy.
Read more: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kirstjen-nielsen-family-separation_us_5b271b20e4b0f9178a9e544d
Another day, more lies.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,902 posts)I guess families aren't really being separated and all those photos are faked or made with crisis actors?
progree
(10,920 posts)https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/politics/trump-immigration-separation-border.html
The Trump administration said on Friday that it had separated 1,995 children from parents facing criminal prosecution for unlawfully crossing the border over a six-week period that ended last month, as President Trump sought to shift blame for the widely criticized practice that has become the signature policy of his aggressive immigration agenda.
From April 19 to May 31, the children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security, who spoke during a conference call with reporters that had been described as an effort to correct the record about immigrant families being split up at the border.
This from the "failing New York Times"
Trump: "The Democrats are forcing the breakup of families at the Border with their horrible and cruel legislative agenda.
So he's admitting there is forceful breaking up of families. (Of course the NYT goes on to debunk the "Democrats" part of it).
Another excerpt:
Hmm
Igel
(35,359 posts)Most aren't because they already know their conclusions. If you don't read carefully, it's an all-or-nothing/I'm-good-you're-evil sort of moralistic battled waged with religious fervor.
They don't separate them at the border.
Once apprehended, they're given the choice of being returned to their countries of origin or filing for asylum.
If they file for asylum, they're detained. When they're detained, they're given notice that if their cases aren't heard in so many days--something that's very unlikely--of what will happen.
By court order, there's a maximum length of time the minors can be housed with their parents in standard cells. If there are family units, then they are housing together. If not, the kids are dealt with to comply with the court's verdict from years ago. *That's* the "policy" that's causing the separation. Compliance with the court order.
The root cause is insisting on enforcing the laws instead of releasing with a hearing date. What we don't like is having the law enforced when we don't like how it plays out; at other times, we insist on law enforcement, when we like the punishment meted out.
progree
(10,920 posts)Uhh huh? They tell them they are going to be separated from their children indefinitely, by hundreds or thousands of miles?
From New York Times article:
Representative Pramila Jayapal, Democrat of Washington, who recently visited 174 women apprehended at the border and being held in a federal prison facility in SeaTac, said some of them reported having been told that they needed to briefly leave their children to be photographed or see a judge, only to return and find the children had been taken away.
I think I'll take what I'm reading from the failing NYT and other reputable sources (I've been listening for more than an hour of this on NPR today), about what's happening, then the multitude of constantly changing admin explanations and rationalizations.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)And what will the MSM do about this monstrous LIE!?
Nothing would be my guess, just another lie from Trump and his child kidnapping administration...yawn.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)turbinetree
(24,720 posts)if you were to show up unannounced and had a reporter with you................................what do you think you would find................Jeff Sessions leading a fucking prayer.....................your as fucked up has he is, right along with that asshole adviser Stephen Miller and your boss a fucking sexual predator..................we are coming lady and we we will take names, so be prepared to sit in front of hearing desk and spew your bull shit....................because you will fucking lie...............so are you sure....................in April your fucking AG made this policy...........................
November 2018 cannot get here fast enough.............141 days to go, and take back our country.................
https://planetcalc.com/274/
Maeve
(42,288 posts)family seperation policy! See...it's all in the wording!
vlyons
(10,252 posts)These Fascist lies are getting so brazen. They actually believe that we're going to believe their shit?
Cosmocat
(14,574 posts)keep their 1/3 in suspended animation, default the media into their dutiful role of parroting their lies, then bully their way forward ...
rainin
(3,011 posts)There is no way this ends well for every family. How do we recover from this as a country?
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)That doesnt sound good at all
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)Would we put police on the street without proper training, uniforms, cars and a gun?
Would we prosecute crimes using any Joe off the street to argue the cases?
Would we try crimes without a court room and reasonably qualified judges and clerks in place?
But, most importantly, no municipality or state would detain prisoners without properly secure facilities, trained jailers, and provisions for feeding and caring for the health of detainees - especially juvenile prisoners.
This policy of separation is wrong as wrong can be. Even if it is legal, It should have not been started without proper facilities to house the parents and kids together.
These actions are typical self-centered, reactionary Trump. Shoot from the hip and don't look at the target - then run like hell.
Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)do everything they can to END this evil Dem policy.
And also, there's NO policy.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,621 posts)Link to tweet
Link to tweet
George Orwell, "1984"
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.
peekaloo
(22,977 posts)sad.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Dept. Of Homeland Security doesn't have such a policy.
However Sessions Dept of Justice policy means that border patrol have to follow this new zero tolerance policy.
Nielsen could have stood up to Sessions and Trump by refusing to carry out the policy. But she is complicit in this by allowing it to continue. And therefore DHS now has a defacto separation policy. Period.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,595 posts)What is it about these guys and the word "period"?
Link to tweet
(Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to copy only the second tweet.)
Used this way, it means "end of discussion," and is the equivalence of Dotard's arms crossed the chest body language.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)Continue the cruelty, blame those who object for the situation.
It's a technique & we better learn how to deal with it. The WH Press Corp sure hasn't.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)If there was a God, this horrible excuse for a human being would be hit with a lightning bolt.