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Snellius

(6,881 posts)
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 07:47 AM Jul 2018

Trump pressed aides on Venezuela invasion, US official says

Source: AP

BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) — As a meeting last August in the Oval Office to discuss sanctions on Venezuela was concluding, President Donald Trump turned to his top aides and asked an unsettling question: With a fast unraveling Venezuela threatening regional security, why can’t the U.S. just simply invade the troubled country?

The suggestion stunned those present at the meeting, including U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and national security adviser H.R. McMaster, both of whom have since left the administration. This account of the previously undisclosed conversation comes from a senior administration official familiar with what was said.
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Then in September, on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly, Trump discussed it again, this time at greater length, in a private dinner with leaders from four Latin American allies that included Santos, the same three people said and Politico reported in February.

The U.S. official said Trump was specifically briefed not to raise the issue and told it wouldn’t play well, but the first thing the president said at the dinner was, “My staff told me not to say this.” Trump then went around asking each leader if they were sure they didn’t want a military solution, according to the official, who added that each leader told Trump in clear terms they were sure.

Read more: https://apnews.com/a3309c4990ac4581834d4a654f7746ef/Trump-pressed-aides-on-Venezuela-invasion,-US-official-says

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Trump pressed aides on Venezuela invasion, US official says (Original Post) Snellius Jul 2018 OP
The republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief* would be delighted to send your kids off to fight Achilleaze Jul 2018 #1
This would be the only time, at least for now, that I would agree with the man-child Perseus Jul 2018 #18
The fucker is both stupid and nuts. Laurian Jul 2018 #2
perfect description of why we're in such danger. n/t MBS Jul 2018 #14
Or, as the Alt-Right would frame it: DetlefK Jul 2018 #3
+1 dalton99a Jul 2018 #8
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #4
Idiot is going to get us into a war...this will be a war crime of the utmost that rump needs to ... SWBTATTReg Jul 2018 #5
He's not nuts duforsure Jul 2018 #6
Hey, Susan... Remember when you said this? NurseJackie Jul 2018 #7
Such an idiot. MBS Jul 2018 #15
And remember - wars get presidents re-elected rurallib Jul 2018 #9
Banana Republican... Historic NY Jul 2018 #10
I thought Trump was the peace candidate while Hillary would be the war-mongress-in-chief progree Jul 2018 #11
What a childish moronic mean spirited hate filled racist ass. lark Jul 2018 #12
Not sure who you think the brown people are Perseus Jul 2018 #19
They are Hispanic and so are part of brown people to drumpf, who would be doing the invading. lark Jul 2018 #20
The right-wing racist white European-descended oligarchs and their spawn would welcome a US invasion Judi Lynn Jul 2018 #21
But what about Granada! SayItLoud Jul 2018 #13
Trump's "aides" are the only thing we have between us and a war with another nation, any nation. Nitram Jul 2018 #16
Cadette Bonespurs wants to get his war on Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2018 #17
He wants to make such a mess of everything and then declare Marshall Law to prevent Doitnow Jul 2018 #22

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
1. The republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief* would be delighted to send your kids off to fight
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 07:53 AM
Jul 2018

if it would somehow make him look heroic while he is busy at home farting around on the golf course.

* aka Dirty Donny , republican family-values role model

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
18. This would be the only time, at least for now, that I would agree with the man-child
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 04:03 PM
Jul 2018

I will try my best to put it into perspective...

Venezuela has been invaded by Cuba and Russia, there is no doubt about that. Chavez was a puppet of Fidel Castro and was allowed to live as long as he followed orders, when Chavez tried to do what he thought would benefit the country but went against Cuba's interests, that is when he suddenly became ill. I am not defending Chavez, I think he was a dreamer with bad decision making skills.

Then we have Maduro, who completed his high school in Cuba, was trained by the Cuban regime, and I believe he was not allowed to go to a university because the Castros understood he was not smart enough, and the fact that they needed a stupid monkey who could handle a pen, just like the USA has today its own stupid monkey who can handle a pen.

Anyway, Cuba invaded Venezuela, it was not by force, they used their brains, but the end result is the same, Cuba has ruined that country.

Venezuelans pay about $50.00 (US Dollars) for a cup of coffee, the medium wage can only cover three cups of coffee a day. Maduro, Cabello, and all the thugs who are part of the government eat expensive imports, have $50,000.00 watches on their arms, iPhones made of pure gold valued at $9,000.00, etc, etc. and all the money they have has been stolen from the Venezuelans, they have not earned that money...and pay attention because the man-child and his gang have taken notice from Venezuela, and they are starting to do the same...does anyone wonder why Pruitt has not been fired? They are trying to get the country used to corrupt politicians.

Soooo...The only thing that will save that country right now is a US invasion. I believe that most Venezuelans would approve with that plan, and would welcome it with open arms, contrary of Iraq I know, but that is the plain truth.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
3. Or, as the Alt-Right would frame it:
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 07:56 AM
Jul 2018

"The Deep State is blackmailing Trump into invading Venezuela because they want the precious oil for imperialism!"

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
5. Idiot is going to get us into a war...this will be a war crime of the utmost that rump needs to ...
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 07:57 AM
Jul 2018

have his ass nailed to the wall, period. A complacent congress too, if they let him get away w/ it.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
6. He's not nuts
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 08:02 AM
Jul 2018

He wants to abuse the powers he has to take others resources away, and Mexico and Canada should be wary of dealings with trump. People like him and putin always want more. That may also be why he's projecting giving Crimea to the Russians and putin now. He's setting things up to bypass Congress for him to have absolute power soon. He'll use national security again to do as he pleases as we're starting to see, and he will only get worse using it.

progree

(10,904 posts)
11. I thought Trump was the peace candidate while Hillary would be the war-mongress-in-chief
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 09:05 AM
Jul 2018

and some people in JPR still think so. Oh, I see NurseJackie has a video clip of Susan Sarandon in #7. LOL.

lark

(23,097 posts)
12. What a childish moronic mean spirited hate filled racist ass.
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 09:44 AM
Jul 2018

He wants to hurt brown people and he wants to steal other areas resources and he really is so stupid he couldn't understand that the neighboring countries wouldn't support this. Too stupid (and mean) for prime time, for sure!! I know Putin can't wait to get all his wishes re Nato and Syria and then he can attack drumpf by publishing all the tapes and really causing a civil war in this country.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
19. Not sure who you think the brown people are
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 04:11 PM
Jul 2018

I have no issue with people's color, but you are very mistaken if you are calling people in Venezuela brown, nothing wrong with being brown, Venezuela does have a good share who are part of their society and there is no racism on either side. Venezuela is a very diverse country, no one cares about the color of your skin.

Venezuelans are descendants of Spaniards, Germans, French, Italians, and other cultures, it is a very mixed society. Do yourself a favour and google "Venezuela Miss Universe"...here, take a look for yourself.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Venezuela+Miss+Universe+winners&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=F51h39dn7uZOwM%253A%252C6kbwNwtfPVgtdM%252C_&usg=__dh2qESjbSZesWqyddIbmAGete5s%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi11piioIbcAhWrVt8KHdp8ADgQ9QEIbTAN#imgrc=F51h39dn7uZOwM:

Also, read my post above, Venezuela has already been invaded by Cuba and Russia, the country has been destroyed, Venezuelans would welcome a USA intervention.

lark

(23,097 posts)
20. They are Hispanic and so are part of brown people to drumpf, who would be doing the invading.
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 05:03 PM
Jul 2018

Seriously??? People in Venezuela would welcome drumpf invading them and stealing all their resources and jobs? You know that's his model, we invade and take the resources to cover our costs, he's already said this hundreds of times about Iraq and Afghanistan. Venezuela would be just another hispanic place to destroy - a la Puerto Rico.

If you think 45 is so great, I think you are on the wrong board.

Judi Lynn

(160,527 posts)
21. The right-wing racist white European-descended oligarchs and their spawn would welcome a US invasion
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jul 2018

to put them back in control of Venezuela and its oil wealth, just as they were before Hugo Chavez was elected, back in the days when Carlos Andrés Pérez ordered the Caracazo massacre and sent the country's police, then the military into the barrios to suppress protesting poor people after he had raised the cost of transportation and all affected products, like groceries, and the common people couldn't afford to live any longer. The Caracazo Massacre slaughtered more than 3,000 Venezuelan poor people, which made it a pivotal point the massive poor population never forgot, and never want repeated.

The right-wing racist minority, their offspring, and assorted violent thugs for hire want to take back all the power they lost to the left in the election in December, 1998.

For people who most likely haven't heard, yet, of the Caracazo Massacre, please see news photos (seen everywhere but in the US) of what happened in Caracas at the hands of the oligarchs' elected President, Carlos Andrés Pérez in 1989:

https://tinyurl.com/y74nccur

They are too graphic to be posted here. The missing information is available to anyone who takes the time to look for it. That information has been brushed aside continually by the perception management of the corporate US media and conservative allies.



As for the Miss Venezuela winners representing Venezuelan people, nothing could be sillier. Venezuelan "ideals" pushed by the Venezuelan media, advertising, movies, etc. are always extremely fair, as opposed to the actual cast of the majority of Venezuelans. It has been commented upon broadly, and bitterly for a very long time, as tv characters, soapers, models, etc. are ALWAYS pure white, often blonde, and that is totally bogus representation. It happens everywhere throughout the Americas, as the power elite own everything, clearly. Do NOT be fooled.


06/06/2014 02:29 pm ET Updated Aug 06, 2014
A Tale of Two Massacres — Tiananmen Square & Venezuela’s Caracazo
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By Dan Kovalik

One cannot escape the ample media coverage of the 25th anniversary of what has come to be known as the Tiananmen Square massacre, in which it is estimated that at least 300, and possibly 3000 civilians, were killed by state forces.

Of course, that is a tragedy which deserves remembering and commemorating. And, this commemorating should be done in an honest way. Without belaboring this point too much, it is worth noting that there has been much mythologizing about the events in China twenty-five years ago, and I urge readers to check out both the Columbia School of Journalism and Nikolas Kristof’s New York Times account from that time period.

Another event, which took place 25 years ago, also deserves commemorating. This event, which the U.S. media has entirely ignored, involved the state murder of hundreds (at least 300), if not thousands (possibly 3,000) of protestors in Venezuela. In other words, the estimates of those protestors killed in Venezuela are identical to the estimates of those killed in Beijing, China. Of course, given that Venezuela has a tiny population (around 30 million) compared to that of China (over 1 billion), these numbers are proportionately much greater.

And moreover, these events in Venezuela, now known as the Caracazo, led to historic change in Venezuela and Latin America as they would lead to the political rise of Hugo Chavez who opposed the Caracazo massacre and who would become President ten years later in great part due to the population’s reaction to it. And, as Noam Chomsky has opined, Chavez’s leadership in turn led to “the historic liberation of Latin America” after 500 years of subjugation by the Spanish and the U.S. No small feat, indeed. Nonetheless, these monumental events, which began with poor Venezuelans rising up against an increase in fuel prices, apparently deserve no mention, at least as judged by the Western media.

More:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-kovalik/a-tale-of-two-massacres-t_b_5459229.html


SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
13. But what about Granada!
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 09:49 AM
Jul 2018

RR did it, why can't I says tRUMP! This would be a great local distraction from my Russian problems. And, it will play in primetime, not like a war with North Korea which will be outta prime time. tRUMP is a danger to the World!

Nitram

(22,794 posts)
16. Trump's "aides" are the only thing we have between us and a war with another nation, any nation.
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 12:52 PM
Jul 2018

Take your pick. Venezuela, Syria, Iran, North Korea. Trump really, really wants to be a war president.

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
22. He wants to make such a mess of everything and then declare Marshall Law to prevent
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 06:47 PM
Jul 2018

an election from taking place. Watch Out. Resist!!

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