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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:10 PM Jul 2018

President Trump nominates Brett Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court

Source: CNN

President Trump announced from the White House East Room that he is nominating Brett Kavanaugh to replace Justice Kennedy on the Supreme Court.

Kavanaugh was confirmed to his position on the Court of Appeals for DC on May 26, 2006, about 12 years ago. The 53-year-old worked in the Bush administration and also for independent counsel Kenneth Starr in the investigation that eventually led to the impeachment of President Bill Clinton.

Kavanaugh has a history of conservatives votes in areas concerning presidential authority, the Second Amendment and religious liberty.

However, some social conservatives — while refusing to go on the record — criticized two of his opinions: one dealing with the Affordable Care Act and a second about an undocumented pregnant teen who sought an abortion.



Read more: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-supreme-court-nominee/index.html



He worked on the Starr Report. Look him up in Wikipedia. It says in part, "Kavanaugh was nominated to the D.C. Appeals Court by Bush in 2003. His confirmation hearings were contentious and stalled for three years over charges of partisanship. Kavanaugh was ultimately confirmed in May 2006 after a series of negotiations between Democratic and Republican senators."

He comes from a wealthy background. A prep school kid. An only child.

On the plus side, he is Catholic. Catholics have been discriminated against in our country in the past. One negative side, devout Catholics are strongly anti-abortion and even anti-birth control.
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President Trump nominates Brett Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court (Original Post) Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 OP
Interesting rufnear Jul 2018 #1
Barret is his next pick according to reports. totodeinhere Jul 2018 #10
If we take back the Senate, Mr.Bill Jul 2018 #16
Lets hope. But it's a tough chore since we are defending so many more seats. totodeinhere Jul 2018 #20
Why would Trump get more picks? Is someone else leaving? Ginsburg? nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #27
Ginsberg is 85. christx30 Jul 2018 #32
I wanted her to retire during the Obama administration. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #37
Realistically, you have to look at it this way, Mr.Bill Jul 2018 #33
True. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #35
And unfortunately this also applies to the Democratic appointees on the court. totodeinhere Jul 2018 #38
I think Thomas will retire if the Repubs retain control of the Senate. n/t Calista241 Jul 2018 #46
Why? Has he said something? He's only 70. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #47
The theory is that if it looks like a Democrat will win in 2020 then Thomas totodeinhere Jul 2018 #52
Oh. That's assuming Thomas puts country before himself. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #54
Thomas retiring next year I believe andytheteacher Jul 2018 #55
Translation: Conservatives are scouting for a cushy position for him with a corporation.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #56
Lemme guess jayschool2013 Jul 2018 #2
And a Hillary hater. sandensea Jul 2018 #4
Oh, yeah. For sure. Not just white...but very pale. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #5
To me, it's not that he's white - it's that he's a right-wing ideologue. sandensea Jul 2018 #11
I agree about ideology. But I do think diversity is important. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #15
Absolutely. sandensea Jul 2018 #34
+1. Such a person simply doesn't have life experiences... Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #41
And just as bad: Kavanaugh is apparently very much an imperial presidency type. sandensea Jul 2018 #42
I heard them talking about that on CNN. And how that was probably ... Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #44
I believe it. sandensea Jul 2018 #45
"Supreme" Court Drake Notthesinger Jul 2018 #3
"History of conservative votes in area of presidential authority" EllieBC Jul 2018 #6
Pretty much harun Jul 2018 #8
Well, on the plus side of that... Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #9
Kavanaugh believes in an imperial presidency - but only if the president is a Rethug. sandensea Jul 2018 #13
Schumer has said he's been a political operative in the past. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #7
IMO, Roe is what matters most. EllieBC Jul 2018 #12
It's all important. But think giving corporations more and more power is crucial. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #19
I'd say it's at the top of the list. They'll go after 'marriage equality' next. YOHABLO Jul 2018 #24
It is all about Trump. He thinks Kavanaugh will be a vote to protect him from Mueller Raven123 Jul 2018 #14
and don't forget trum is stacking federal and appeals courts AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #17
There is a list online DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2018 #30
I think I'll go piss off a few friends on Fb & tell them Roe isnt going anywhere. 7962 Jul 2018 #18
The new guy has stated in the past that he thinks Roe is binding law. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #22
make sure they know........ Takket Jul 2018 #25
Another good point! 7962 Jul 2018 #28
Smart Republicans don't want to overturn Roe. totodeinhere Jul 2018 #53
Another darn good point! 7962 Jul 2018 #57
His confirmation would bring the Catholic total on the SC back to 5 catrose Jul 2018 #21
Really? I didn't know Robert & Thomas & Alito were Catholic. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #23
Yes. Some are rumored to be members of Opus Dei. catrose Jul 2018 #26
So why Kavanaugh? CNN talking heads offer some ideas. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #29
George W just made a statement elmac Jul 2018 #31
Friendship for Bush family may not endear him to Trump Snellius Jul 2018 #50
This is the strategy to ensure votes from the establishment Repubs... Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #51
Per the 538, Kavanaugh is just to the left of Thomas DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2018 #36
(On the plus side, he is Catholic.) SamKnause Jul 2018 #39
Catholic can be better than, say, Baptist. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #43
there may be a silver lining Ikeoftheprairie Jul 2018 #40
You understand that being a strict Constitutionalist is a bad thing, right? Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #49
Congratulations, dude. BlueStater Jul 2018 #48

rufnear

(29 posts)
1. Interesting
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:18 PM
Jul 2018

Thought for sure Amy Coney Barret was going to be his nominee choice based on some mis-spoken pronouns used in earlier press conferences.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
10. Barret is his next pick according to reports.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:30 PM
Jul 2018

This is terrifying. Trump may well get one or two more picks, whereas Jimmy Carter had zero.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
20. Lets hope. But it's a tough chore since we are defending so many more seats.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:39 PM
Jul 2018

But we need to work hard to win Senate seats.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
32. Ginsberg is 85.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:55 PM
Jul 2018

I’m sure she’ll hang on as long as she can, but unless she’s the first immortal justice, she won’t be there forever. I don’t imagine she will want to pass away on the bench.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
37. I wanted her to retire during the Obama administration.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 10:01 PM
Jul 2018

I respect her right not to. But I thought she'd probably have to retire sooner rather than later, so I thought she probably should do it during Obama's administration, for the country.

Oh, well.

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
33. Realistically, you have to look at it this way,
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:56 PM
Jul 2018

anyone over 50 can drop dead tomorrow. It happens every day.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
52. The theory is that if it looks like a Democrat will win in 2020 then Thomas
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jul 2018

might retire before then so that his replacement will be nominated by trump, not a future Democrat.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
54. Oh. That's assuming Thomas puts country before himself.
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 06:37 PM
Jul 2018

I don't know. Would he? Hmmm. Ginsburg did not. It's a cushy job. They don't work that many hours, it's prestigious, they're famous. When they go places, they get the red carpet rolled out. They also get paid well and get to wear that robe! Power and fame are heady.

However, Trump may make him "an offer he can't refuse."

 

andytheteacher

(37 posts)
55. Thomas retiring next year I believe
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:10 PM
Jul 2018

My brother is a DC conservative lawyer type and he has no inside information but he tells me it's openly talked about that Thomas wants to retire, he would just like to be done working. People shouldn't have to work til their dead so I encourage him to retire in 2021.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
56. Translation: Conservatives are scouting for a cushy position for him with a corporation....
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:27 PM
Jul 2018

some board position or something along those lines, where he doesn't have to work, but gets prestige, maybe voice his opinion, but gets a whopping big salary, benefits, and perks.

The S Ct is a cushy job. Nine months, and their staff do most of the work. The pay is good, but not great, I hear, for the prestigious and important job it is.

Thomas doesn't participate as much as the others, I've read. He asks few questions at hearings, and doesn't write many opinions (staffers write the opinions, under the supervision and editing of the Justice, I think).

sandensea

(21,627 posts)
4. And a Hillary hater.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:21 PM
Jul 2018

Kavanaugh, you'll recall, was one of Starr's most vicious inquisitors against Bill Clinton during the impeachment saga.

Knowing Cheeto and how utterly petty he is, this was probably what really sealed the deal for him.

sandensea

(21,627 posts)
11. To me, it's not that he's white - it's that he's a right-wing ideologue.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:32 PM
Jul 2018

Against civil rights, against civil liberties, and no doubt against choice.

The kind that believes that people should have as many rights as animals, and that corporations should have as many rights as people (but only if they give to the GOPee).

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
15. I agree about ideology. But I do think diversity is important.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:36 PM
Jul 2018

It does depend on the person, though. I would love to replace Clarence Thomas with a person of any race or ethnicity who is even just moderate.

Someone who is a different race or ethnicity does bring a different viewpoint and different life experiences to the table. I think it's important.

Thank God Obama named women, and an Hispanic, to the bench. So we have SOME diversity, and some women.

sandensea

(21,627 posts)
34. Absolutely.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:58 PM
Jul 2018

Life experience may not determine our every opinion - but it certainly shapes them.

Someone who had a silver-spoon childhood, and has had his career fast-tracked for him mostly by virtue of his connections, is probably not going to be a humanist like William O. Douglas, Thurgood Marshall, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, or Sonia Sotomayor.

There are exceptions of course - but Kavanaugh certainly doesn't come across as one.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
41. +1. Such a person simply doesn't have life experiences...
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 10:10 PM
Jul 2018

to understand what it is to be in a different position, have to struggle, what the law is from their point of view, and the like. The real life effect that a decision has on someone's life. That basis simply isn't there.

sandensea

(21,627 posts)
42. And just as bad: Kavanaugh is apparently very much an imperial presidency type.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 10:12 PM
Jul 2018

But only if said president is in the GOPee.

EllieBC

(3,014 posts)
6. "History of conservative votes in area of presidential authority"
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:24 PM
Jul 2018

is all that is needed to be known. This is about Trump wanting a court that will back him while he tries to achieve Putin status as President.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
9. Well, on the plus side of that...
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:28 PM
Jul 2018

he argued before the S.Ct. years ago for the removal of Presidential Executive Privilege in the investigation of the Vince Foster death. He lost. The S.Sct. upheld the privilege.

But of course, all he'd say is that was a different set of facts. That's what they always say. Sometimes it's true.

He was a principal author of the Starr Report, and he recommended impeachment of Clinton.

So either he isn't against impeachment for minor offenses, or he is vigorously anti-Clinton. Or both.

sandensea

(21,627 posts)
13. Kavanaugh believes in an imperial presidency - but only if the president is a Rethug.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:35 PM
Jul 2018

If it's a Democrat, in Kavanaugh's mind, he (or she) must be subjected to Latin America-style judicial harassment.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
7. Schumer has said he's been a political operative in the past.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:26 PM
Jul 2018

Not his judgeships. But he's operated in the conservative political world. Hmmmm.

He HAS stated that he regards Roe v Wade as binding law, but has ruled in favor of some restrictions. (Wikipedia)

EllieBC

(3,014 posts)
12. IMO, Roe is what matters most.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:35 PM
Jul 2018

Without control of our reproductive systems, women have nothing. It's pretty much everything. Most of my family lives in the US and I do not want my fellow family members and friends who by biological and genetic lottery are women to lose everything by losing their right to control their bodies.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
19. It's all important. But think giving corporations more and more power is crucial.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:38 PM
Jul 2018

That has to do with everything else, including abortion. That's how the Repubs got so much power....the Citizens United decision. Secret PACs loaded with unlimited money from rich corporations.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
24. I'd say it's at the top of the list. They'll go after 'marriage equality' next.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:42 PM
Jul 2018

The Christo-Fascists won't let this die. Congressional Democrats must get fierce.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
17. and don't forget trum is stacking federal and appeals courts
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:37 PM
Jul 2018

Does anyone keep track of that? Most cases will never reach SC.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,923 posts)
30. There is a list online
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:54 PM
Jul 2018

Last count I remember seeing is 42 Federal judges confirmed so far under Trump, 1 SCOTUS, 21 Court of Appeals, and 20 District judges. Mostly all young and conservative. If Kavanaugh is confirmed, that opens up another spot on the DC Court of Appeals, widely considered the 2nd more important court after SCOTUS.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
18. I think I'll go piss off a few friends on Fb & tell them Roe isnt going anywhere.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:37 PM
Jul 2018

I dont believe this pick will do it.
I actually think if a valid case came before the court, Roberts would vote to keep precedent. Even if the "new guy" voted to reverse

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. The new guy has stated in the past that he thinks Roe is binding law.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:40 PM
Jul 2018

So there is that. He could have changed his mind, though. And after being given the power to overturn it, he might jump at that chance, if he has strong anti-abortion feelings.

Takket

(21,563 posts)
25. make sure they know........
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:42 PM
Jul 2018

drumpf betrayed their desire to overturn roe to put in place a judge to save his own ass.

might not be true (since i don't trust this guy to NOT overturn), but at least it should piss them off for now

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
53. Smart Republicans don't want to overturn Roe.
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 06:35 PM
Jul 2018

They would lose one of their most effective talking points. They would rather keep the anti-abortion crowd all riled up so they can keep getting their votes.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
57. Another darn good point!
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 09:11 PM
Jul 2018

Although the same could be said for some on this side; I've been hearing terrifying Roe ads ever since 1980

catrose

(5,065 posts)
21. His confirmation would bring the Catholic total on the SC back to 5
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:39 PM
Jul 2018

He would join John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Sonia Sotomayor.
Anthony Kennedy was a Catholic also.

catrose

(5,065 posts)
26. Yes. Some are rumored to be members of Opus Dei.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:44 PM
Jul 2018

Obviously not Sotomayor. Kagan, Breyer, and Ginsburg are Jewish. Gorsuch is "undeclared," probably some variety of Protestant.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
29. So why Kavanaugh? CNN talking heads offer some ideas.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:54 PM
Jul 2018

The biggest one seems to be that he has a history of being strongly pro-Presidential authority & has stated that Presidents shouldn't be bothered with litigation, that a President could overturn something that some other agencies do, since those agencies in his opinion were usurping Presidential power. He's strongly pro-Presidential power.

Contrast that with how he urged the impeachment of Clinton for lying under oath (but come on, it was pretty minor...whether he'd had sex w/Lewinsky...and he fessed up...it wasn't like he gave a classified secret to Russians in the Oval Office). And how he argued for overruling Presidential executive privilege in trying to get documents & such regarding an investigation. But both of things involved CLINTON. So maybe he is just strongly anti-Clinton.

In Trump's mind...he gets an investigation into Clinton emails going again, then he gets an indictment, and it goes to the S.Ct.....where there sits a strongly anti-Clinton Justice. ???? Possible?

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
31. George W just made a statement
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:55 PM
Jul 2018

proclaimed his undying love for this guy, so we know its a bad pick.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
50. Friendship for Bush family may not endear him to Trump
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 07:21 AM
Jul 2018

Surprising Trump picked someone so close to Bush family. Kavanaugh's wife was also a personal secretary. They go back to the Texas days.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
51. This is the strategy to ensure votes from the establishment Repubs...
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 03:25 PM
Jul 2018

while getting someone who will protect Trump from criminal charges & lawsuits.

Repubs are terrible at governing, but great at strategy to win whatever they're after.

Some conservative Dems may vote for this guy. Watch Manchin & the others.

Despite what Collins says, she ALWAYS votes for confirmation of Repub SCT nominees.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,923 posts)
36. Per the 538, Kavanaugh is just to the left of Thomas
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 10:01 PM
Jul 2018

[link:https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-brett-kavanaugh-would-change-the-supreme-court/|]

His confirmation would also jeopardize many state gun laws. He believes that strict scrutiny should be applied to the 2nd Amendment and has dissented against DC's Assault Weapon Ban and gun registration, saying they are unconstitutional.

SamKnause

(13,101 posts)
39. (On the plus side, he is Catholic.)
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 10:08 PM
Jul 2018

On the plus side for whom ???

I would like to see Atheists on the Supreme Court.

Religion has too much influence and control over our government.

Religion has infested every nook and cranny in this government.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
43. Catholic can be better than, say, Baptist.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 10:14 PM
Jul 2018

Catholics have experienced discrimination in our country in the past. Kennedy was the first Catholic President, and it was a big deal. The KKK was anti-Catholic the same way it was anti-Jewish.

Hispanics are primarily Catholic.

OTOH, practicing Catholics can be strongly anti-abortion, and of course are used to authoritarianism because of the Pope. On the plus side, most Catholics, IMO, are not that devout. They're more loosey goosey.

 

Ikeoftheprairie

(7 posts)
40. there may be a silver lining
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 10:10 PM
Jul 2018

Kavanaugh is a strict Constitutionalist. He looks at cases and he looks at the Constitution. He does believe that if a power is not granted to the federal government then it is relegated to the State. It may not be a bad thing. It does bring up why each individual state's elections are important. We have to control the rights of our states. He won't hear a case that he believes needs to be handled at the state level, he won't find standing for plaintiff. I know people won't want to hear this but he agrees with Ginsburg, the Roe v. Wade decision was poorly viewed and structured. It will come up for review (probably soon) and a more definitive decision will be made.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
49. You understand that being a strict Constitutionalist is a bad thing, right?
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 02:10 AM
Jul 2018

Democrats believe the Constitution is a living document, as designed by the Founding Fathers, to be amended and interpreted as time goes by, as warranted. Think about it. The internet didn't exist at the time, vehicles, women couldn't vote, black people were slaves. It was enlarged to include equality for women and minorities, for example.

Ginsburg's criticism was that the decision was too much all at once. Time has cured that criticism.

Ginsburg is the Court's most ardent supporter of abortion rights. In no way would this guy come even close to having the same views as Ginsburg on the subject.

And yes, he's a bad thing. Why was he picked? Because he believes in the most Presidential power possible, and that Presidents can't be indicted. That's why. He's being put on the court to knock down any criminal charges against Trump, or civil litigation (although the latter is settled law...Presidents can be sued while in office). Trump is preparing for the inevitable findings of his immense criminal acts and the obstruction of justice acts he has done, as well as the charges of working with an adversarial foreign government to interfere with the government of the United States of America. And don't forget the business fraud. There's also the lawsuit that he is using the office of the President for his personal gain. And the lying to the public about critical matters. He is guilty of these things, judging from the evidence we know of.

What do you think should be done, when the report is issued showing all the things he's done? Do you think it's a good idea if he puts a loyalist in the S.Ct. to knock the charges down, when he's charged, or found liable in a lower court?

You do believe that the Constitution is a living document, to be amended on the rare occasion that our country sees fit, right?

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
48. Congratulations, dude.
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:30 AM
Jul 2018

Appointed to the Supreme Court by a racist, a sexual predator, and most likely a traitor to this country as well. What an honor.

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