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Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 06:46 PM Jul 2018

Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh piled up credit card debt by purchasing Nationals tickets, Whi

Source: Washington Post

By Amy Brittain
July 11 at 6:27 PM

Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh incurred tens of thousands of dollars of credit card debt buying baseball tickets over the past decade and at times reported liabilities that could have exceeded the value of his cash accounts and investment assets, according to a review of Kavanaugh’s financial disclosures and information provided by the White House.

White House spokesman Raj Shah told The Washington Post that Kavanaugh built up the debt by buying Washington Nationals season tickets and tickets for playoff games for himself and a “handful” of friends. Shah said some of the debts were also for home improvements.

Kavanaugh’s most recent financial disclosure forms reveal assets between $15,000 and $65,000, which would put him at the bottom of the financial ranking of justices, most of whom list well over $1 million in assets. The value of residences is not subject to disclosure.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaugh-piled-up-credit-card-debt-by-purchasing-nationals-tickets-white-house-says/2018/07/11/8e3ad7d6-8460-11e8-9e80-403a221946a7_story.html?utm_term=.4e6727e24040

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Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh piled up credit card debt by purchasing Nationals tickets, Whi (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2018 OP
OK - someone's got to say it... CincyDem Jul 2018 #1
I'm just relieved MontanaMama Jul 2018 #4
As a long time Mets fan MosheFeingold Jul 2018 #18
Say what? Kingofalldems Jul 2018 #24
I'm sorry...I was only talking to people WITHOUT that signature line. CincyDem Jul 2018 #27
so he is just like many everyday citizens.... Thomas Hurt Jul 2018 #2
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. No! R U Kidding OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #17
Oh good he will also be very easy to bribe Hmm lunasun Jul 2018 #3
Only rich people should be on the Supreme Court. hack89 Jul 2018 #5
But what's strange here is that he lives in spooky3 Jul 2018 #9
offshored? OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #21
Or spent irresponsibly, or maybe in better shape than it appears? From the article, spooky3 Jul 2018 #26
He gets that salary for life, even after retirement. Calista241 Jul 2018 #37
He doesn't need much saved for retirement FBaggins Jul 2018 #32
not according to the Investopedia--if that were true, the present value of his account spooky3 Jul 2018 #36
They don't report present value of future pension benefits FBaggins Jul 2018 #39
I think the point is he has wasted more than he has saved up- and with having two young kids bettyellen Jul 2018 #10
No, but he is a nationally respected lawyer with lots of opportunities to make big Sophia4 Jul 2018 #11
"Has he chosen jobs that don't pay much? " MosheFeingold Jul 2018 #19
That job does not pay that badly. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #23
The real perk MosheFeingold Jul 2018 #30
Yep, he's set. I suspect most of us would be critical if he were wealthy. Hoyt Jul 2018 #31
Yes and no FBaggins Jul 2018 #40
He makes a high salary and has for years . Debt /low savings with high earnings-something looked at lunasun Jul 2018 #14
He makes a lot of money JI7 Jul 2018 #20
See the posts before. He earns a lot of money by most standards. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #25
Unless he is indicted by congress / senate Sgent Jul 2018 #42
Not a lot of money for a lawyer who clerked on the Supreme Court. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #6
Is He an Adult? McKim Jul 2018 #7
I thought this too. madaboutharry Jul 2018 #8
Kavanaugh has been on the D.C. Court for 12 years. madaboutharry Jul 2018 #12
and his wife earns $65K, and he got $27K for teaching part-time at Harvard. nt spooky3 Jul 2018 #22
Exactly. They are living above their means. FSogol Jul 2018 #29
Give da judge time... Maxheader Jul 2018 #13
I'm sure Charles, David, Rebekah and Betsy will be willing to help him from time to time. 3Hotdogs Jul 2018 #15
he HAS TO BE lying. mopinko Jul 2018 #16
All his money is in his house andytheteacher Jul 2018 #28
My sister makes 300 has a million dollar home paid off MattP Jul 2018 #33
Maybe he donates.... CarlosDem Jul 2018 #34
Hahahaha markses66 Jul 2018 #38
If I had his retirement plan SomethingNew Jul 2018 #35
He's a gambling addict truthisfreedom Jul 2018 #41
He must be cash poor DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #43
At least he wasn't buying Dallas Cowboy's tickets SkatmanRoth Jul 2018 #44

CincyDem

(6,336 posts)
1. OK - someone's got to say it...
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 06:48 PM
Jul 2018


Debt for baseball. I get it.

But the Nationals ???? That's where I question his judgement.


_________________

Actually, I question it on everything but, you know, when a good joke offers itself up...

MontanaMama

(23,295 posts)
4. I'm just relieved
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 06:54 PM
Jul 2018

this POS isn’t a Cubs fan. What else does this guy waste money on? There’s got to be more...

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
2. so he is just like many everyday citizens....
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 06:52 PM
Jul 2018

high credit card debt, a little equity in a house(s)..........or he is hiding assets and lying on his disclosures.

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
17. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. No! R U Kidding
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:36 PM
Jul 2018

There are lawyers who do nothing BUT offshore money for clients.

Wonder if K's name shows up on Panama Papers?

spooky3

(34,405 posts)
9. But what's strange here is that he lives in
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:14 PM
Jul 2018

an expensive house in an expensive neighborhood.

And someone in his 50s should have a LOT more saved for retirement, kids’ education, etc., than the disclosure form indicates.

spooky3

(34,405 posts)
26. Or spent irresponsibly, or maybe in better shape than it appears? From the article,
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:50 PM
Jul 2018

he has:

-- about $500K in govt retirement account (about what you would expect at his age and income level), and his wife has a retirement account from a prior job, worth up to $65K, which the article says are not counted as "assets"
-- a house worth maybe $1.3-$1.5 mill., on which they owe about $900K, so equity of ~$500K
-- any 529 or other education accounts that can be excluded from the disclosure statement? (not mentioned)
-- any 401ks, 403bs, etc. that can be excluded from the disclosure statement? (not mentioned, other than he has a TSP from which he has borrowed)

They currently have income of over $300K. How long have they had this?

It's possible that he and his wife are in pretty good shape, if they have these other accounts. Or, they just spend all that they have after mandatory retirement contributions and possibly after 529 savings, on the house and private education, and baseball tickets, etc.

on edit: According to Investopedia, at age 50, one should have saved five times his/her salary (including employer retirement contributions, but not home equity, etc.).

If they make $300000 per year, they should have $1.5 million saved to be on track for a normal retirement. They have less than 40% of that amount in retirement accounts that were disclosed. And they are a few years older than 50.

https://www.investopedia.com/retirement/how-much-you-should-have-saved-age/

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
32. He doesn't need much saved for retirement
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:34 PM
Jul 2018

Appeals court justices make a bit over 250k... and retire on full salary

spooky3

(34,405 posts)
36. not according to the Investopedia--if that were true, the present value of his account
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 09:35 PM
Jul 2018

would be much higher than $500K.

In any case, they ought to have a lot more than they have in non-retirement savings (unless the disclosure statement omits a lot of info).

on edit: and also, not, according to this website:

http://www.uscourts.gov/careers/benefits/your-financial-security

You may be thinking of retirement benefits for Supreme Court Justices--which he isn't, yet. And the salary you quoted is for SC Justices. Per the WaPo article, he makes closer to $220K, plus income from part-time teaching at Harvard. His wife makes $66K.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
39. They don't report present value of future pension benefits
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:31 PM
Jul 2018

The retirement funds reported would be outside of that. Congress and the Executive branch are the same way.

You may be thinking of retirement benefits for Supreme Court Justices-

Nope. While the income I mentioned was mistakenly an older SC level rather than the current appellate court level, they're quite close and both have the option to retire at full income at 65 (assuming at least 15 years of service).

So the initial point remains. Unlike almost everyone else, they have no need to accumulate significant retirement assets and can set their standard of living at roughly their after-tax income level with little risk.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
10. I think the point is he has wasted more than he has saved up- and with having two young kids
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:15 PM
Jul 2018

That shows poor priorities and judgement. Also, I’m betting he’s taken cash on the side. Anyone that ridiculously partisan has been getting payoffs.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
11. No, but he is a nationally respected lawyer with lots of opportunities to make big
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:23 PM
Jul 2018

amounts of money.

What is he doing? Is he going to inherit large sums of money?

What is going on here?

Lawyers at his level make a lot of money.

Has he chosen jobs that don't pay much?

Something is strange in my view.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
30. The real perk
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:09 PM
Jul 2018

Is a pension that is the same as salary for life. So no need to prepare for retirement.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
31. Yep, he's set. I suspect most of us would be critical if he were wealthy.
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:33 PM
Jul 2018

Interesting we criticize him for supposedly not amassing millions.

I’d bet his daughters schools are expensive and he might be supporting family too. Who knows. This is not an area I find disturbing. And I can’t get upset because he likes baseball.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
40. Yes and no
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:34 PM
Jul 2018

The income for an appellate justice is significant compared to most of us, but pales in comparison to what a similarly accomplished attorney would make in the private sector. It's also worth noting that those salaries have been pretty stagnant for decades.

His wife does work as what is essentially a "city manager" position for their community (~250 homes IIRC) and used to be a personal assistant to President Bush.

I don't see anything objectionable about this (we should focus on his rulings). They neither appear to be living beyond their means nor accumulating the insane amounts of wealth that those in positions of power often seem to attract.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
14. He makes a high salary and has for years . Debt /low savings with high earnings-something looked at
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:26 PM
Jul 2018

at often as a formula open to corruption..

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
25. See the posts before. He earns a lot of money by most standards.
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:46 PM
Jul 2018

And his wife earns $66,000 per year.

What is going on?

There may be a reasonable explanations, but what is it?

Is he simply unable to manage money?

Does he expect to enjoy a trust fund or large inheritance some day?

He sure doesn't seem to have saved that much money.

I'm asking questions as we all should.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
42. Unless he is indicted by congress / senate
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 04:00 AM
Jul 2018

he gets 100% of his salary for life. There is no reason to save money.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
6. Not a lot of money for a lawyer who clerked on the Supreme Court.
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:00 PM
Jul 2018

That's not a good sign.

It's a lot of money if you teach school or drive a truck, but for a nationally acclaimed lawyer, that is a bad sign.

madaboutharry

(40,190 posts)
12. Kavanaugh has been on the D.C. Court for 12 years.
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:24 PM
Jul 2018

He earns $220,600 a year. His wife makes $66,000. They paid $1.2 million for their house, which seems very expensive with those salaries.

FSogol

(45,446 posts)
29. Exactly. They are living above their means.
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:54 PM
Jul 2018

I know folks in the DC/VA/MD area with double the assets and half their salaries.

Maxheader

(4,370 posts)
13. Give da judge time...
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:24 PM
Jul 2018

And his 'friends' will help him get that bank account bumped up...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anti-abortion_organizations_in_the_United_States

Kavanaugh’s most recent financial disclosure forms reveal assets between $15,000 and $65,000, which would put him at the bottom of the financial ranking of justices, most of whom list well over $1 million in assets. The value of residences is not subject to disclosure.
 

andytheteacher

(37 posts)
28. All his money is in his house
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:54 PM
Jul 2018

If they are making 300k a year and have a big mortgage, it makes sense why he wouldn't have other significant assets. Also not subject to disclosure is his retirement account.

MattP

(3,304 posts)
33. My sister makes 300 has a million dollar home paid off
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:40 PM
Jul 2018

And 3 or 4 others paid off and a nest egg she is 4 years younger than him

SomethingNew

(279 posts)
35. If I had his retirement plan
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 09:20 PM
Jul 2018

I'd blow nearly every penny. Buy a nice house, send the kids to good private schools, and go to as many baseball games and drink as many $10 beers as I felt like. He had a guaranteed salary for the rest of his life (even before this appointment) so where is the incentive to live frugally and save?

What a bizarre thing for people to criticize.

DeminPennswoods

(15,265 posts)
43. He must be cash poor
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 04:24 AM
Jul 2018

Based on the incomes of both, roughly 286k per year before taxes, that's about 23k/month before taxes.
I don't know how long they've lived in the house, but if they paid 1.2M and have a 900k mortgage, they are paying over 4k/mo just in mortgage payments with property taxes and insurance on top of that. That eats up most, if not all, of her salary. They have two kids as well to support.

While taking home 18k a month (his salary) is a lot, there probably isn't much left over after all expenses.

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