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brooklynite

(94,376 posts)
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:22 AM Jul 2018

Scoop: Trump wants tough new Air Force One paint job

Source: Axios

President Trump wants to update the paint job on the next version of Air Force One, ditching the iconic robin's-egg blue (which he calls a "Jackie Kennedy color" ) for a bolder, "more American" look.

The big picture: Trump rarely gets into the weeds of government negotiations. But he sat down in the Oval Office with Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg in February to personally hammer out the $4 billion deal for a pair of replacement 747s for use as Air Force One (the call sign for whatever aircraft the president is on).

Axios has learned that Trump had one specification for the plane that could cause tension with the Air Force and surprise around the world:

Trump wants to change the plane's signature blue-and-white look that goes back 55 years, to a redesign of the presidential aircraft by President John F. Kennedy and First Lady Jackie Kennedy in the early 1960s.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-new-air-force-one-paint-job-b3ff40b3-f8da-448e-9023-a1ea73067488.html

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Scoop: Trump wants tough new Air Force One paint job (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2018 OP
Of course. He prefers whorehouse red and filigree. sandensea Jul 2018 #1
Is this photo for real? Snellius Jul 2018 #5
Oh yes. sandensea Jul 2018 #6
Holy shit! You're kidding! It's like a baroque parody on himself Snellius Jul 2018 #9
Looks like those two just had extremely bad sex. nt NCjack Jul 2018 #14
They do look pretty sweaty. Note the Don with a clinched fist. Snellius Jul 2018 #16
ROFLOL! (Our classy First Lady.) fierywoman Jul 2018 #58
Grotesque, Obscene, Humiliating to the rest of us. hlthe2b Jul 2018 #28
He IS RobinA Jul 2018 #67
Of course! That's from Vanity Fair, IIRC Blue_Tires Jul 2018 #42
Trump is this guy: Initech Jul 2018 #39
It's like a redneck's idea of what being rich is like. christx30 Jul 2018 #41
It's also like what Manhattan "class" looks like to a guy from Queens. Snellius Jul 2018 #65
From the article. irisblue Jul 2018 #2
That it evokes those memories is WHY he wants to change it. Girard442 Jul 2018 #31
Trump will want to replace other presidents' images on money with his own. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2018 #61
His problem is that it says United States of America and not Trump Renew Deal Jul 2018 #35
my thought exatly. D_Master81 Jul 2018 #44
And that the plane isn't covered in gold trim. nt Nay Jul 2018 #55
He's working on the important things. Mc Mike Jul 2018 #3
I just think and hope bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author catbyte Jul 2018 #7
Adorned with some 'tasteful' images of FLOTUS on the nose keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #8
Guess there will be no tariffs on silicone. Vinca Jul 2018 #11
Boobs and a box of bling. Yeah, that's Trump, alright. Girard442 Jul 2018 #32
Preferably Ivanka brand bling. No tariffs. keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #33
He wants this painted on the tail fin BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #10
My thoughts exactly!!!! cheezmaka Jul 2018 #19
Is that the new Christian cross ? magicarpet Jul 2018 #56
I read the Axios article. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #12
Maybe change the Caslon typeface on "United States of America" Snellius Jul 2018 #13
Comic Sans MS mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #47
+1 or Jokerman Snellius Jul 2018 #50
I wish I could make the post appear in Comic Sans, but I don't know if that can be done. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #51
I can see the inside of it now... catbyte Jul 2018 #15
what other color but rurallib Jul 2018 #17
How about painting some flames on it? underpants Jul 2018 #54
Gold with baroque flourishes MountCleaners Jul 2018 #66
I thought he was going to refuse a new air force one, to save the taxpayers money, at least that's Meadowoak Jul 2018 #18
"New Book Reveals That President Trump Got Lost on Air Force One" Snellius Jul 2018 #20
That "moran" would get lost jb5150 Jul 2018 #23
Or driving MFM008 Jul 2018 #53
The poor man is... relogic Jul 2018 #21
Red and Gold with Trump painted down both sides and on the front and back. SamKnause Jul 2018 #22
He's going to do the work himself .... marble falls Jul 2018 #24
OMG. I hope this is not the version he wants. From the article............ riversedge Jul 2018 #25
Looks great on a pickup truck, why not on official US aircraft ? nt eppur_se_muova Jul 2018 #38
Guilded wings maybe?? samplegirl Jul 2018 #26
The blue isn't a Kennedy thing. It's the color of the sky...it's that way for a reason. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #27
It's hideous. nt babylonsister Jul 2018 #29
"Jackie Kennedy color"? Melania couldn't carry Jackie's..........(better stop here) George II Jul 2018 #30
AND Jacqui actually spoke French: fluently. fierywoman Jul 2018 #59
Orange? MythosMaster Jul 2018 #34
He wants tough? How about a bone spur and a condom painted on it? keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #36
Won't the tons of gold gilt make it too heavy to fly? sinkingfeeling Jul 2018 #37
I suppose we should be grateful he's not just having it spray-painted gold. Orsino Jul 2018 #40
. dalton99a Jul 2018 #43
Good, make his plane a target MiniMe Jul 2018 #45
I think this is a good design Bayard Jul 2018 #46
When you can't differentiate between status and class you inevitably end up with tacky Brother Buzz Jul 2018 #48
Raymond Loewy Under Attack! mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #49
Can someone explain him it's an official plane... syringis Jul 2018 #52
Since he'll be our last president they should just paint it with a big T in gold kimbutgar Jul 2018 #57
Not his Rebl2 Jul 2018 #60
Is it also true... jmowreader Jul 2018 #62
Redneck rich truthisfreedom Jul 2018 #63
Might I suggest keroro gunsou Jul 2018 #64

sandensea

(21,604 posts)
6. Oh yes.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:31 AM
Jul 2018

This was taken about a decade ago in his Chump Tower penthouse.

The one the bankruptcy courts allowed him to keep when he lost everything in '91.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
9. Holy shit! You're kidding! It's like a baroque parody on himself
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:47 AM
Jul 2018

The more you know, the more he seems like a surreal dream in a grotesque cartoon.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
41. It's like a redneck's idea of what being rich is like.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:43 AM
Jul 2018

Gold everything. White piano. He probably has a drink with an umbrella in it, because that's what he wanted his whole life.

irisblue

(32,932 posts)
2. From the article.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:28 AM
Jul 2018

From the article. snip...."We're told he wants the presidential bed aboard Air Force One to be larger and more comfortable — more like the executive livery package on his personal plane than the current, couch-like sleeping configuration aboard Air Force One." A better bed does seem fair.

snip...

When I told presidential historian Michael Beschloss about Trump's plans, he replied: "Why would anyone want to discard an Air Force One design that evokes more than a half-century of American history?"

"Every time you see that blue trim and the words 'UNITED STATES OF AMERICA' spelled out in that same typeface as an early version of the Declaration of Independence, it brings back JFK landing in Germany to speak at the Berlin Wall, Richard Nixon flying to China, Ronald Reagan stepping off the plane to see Gorbachev in Iceland and a thousand other scenes of Presidents in our past."
"JFK and Jackie Kennedy approved that timeless design (created pro bono by the premier mid-20th century industrial designer Raymond Loewy) to replace an earlier version of Air Force One that had simply said 'MILITARY AIR TRANSPORT SERVICE' and which made conspicuous use of the color orange, which Kennedy rightfully found 'gaudy.'"
"It was JFK who chose what Loewy called the 'luminous ultramarine blue' that has appeared on every version of Air Force One (and some other Presidential aircraft) from 1962 on." end snip




Girard442

(6,066 posts)
31. That it evokes those memories is WHY he wants to change it.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:24 AM
Jul 2018

Can't have past presidents taking attention away from him, even if they're dead.

He's probably pissed that our money has their pictures on it.

61. Trump will want to replace other presidents' images on money with his own.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:46 PM
Jul 2018

What kind of egomaniac do you have to be to want to change a global symbol of American values? Oh, yeah, the same guy who puts his name on every building he "builds."

I hope this gets prevented early, but I'm not confident. I had thought his "It's all about ME!" military parade was going to be shot down, but it looks like he's going to get his way. And when he does, he'll want another one, but BIGGER, next year.

You know, I wonder if even the deplorables would find this unacceptable. It would be the equivalent of placing a TRUMP sign on top of the White House.

Mc Mike

(9,111 posts)
3. He's working on the important things.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:28 AM
Jul 2018

And he thinks he's JFK, again. Refreshing change from his usual Bonaparte delusions.

bucolic_frolic

(43,064 posts)
4. I just think and hope
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:28 AM
Jul 2018

that someday in the not too distant future all this wonton nonsense ego-driven fluff will be undone.

It will be worth any amount taxpayers have to pay to undo this frivolous stroke to Trump's ego

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

keithbvadu2

(36,676 posts)
8. Adorned with some 'tasteful' images of FLOTUS on the nose
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:46 AM
Jul 2018

Adorned with some 'tasteful' images of FLOTUS on the nose


.

pazzyanne

(6,544 posts)
12. I read the Axios article.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:58 AM
Jul 2018

Had a hard time getting past the photo of what tRump wants Airforce One to look like. It certainly will not blend in with the background. A much easier target than the present Airforce One.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
13. Maybe change the Caslon typeface on "United States of America"
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:00 AM
Jul 2018

to something more up-to-date. Trump will probably go for something more baroque gilded in gold.

catbyte

(34,341 posts)
15. I can see the inside of it now...
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:07 AM
Jul 2018

And I'm sure he'll manage to squeeze his name in there somewhere.

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Meadowoak

(5,539 posts)
18. I thought he was going to refuse a new air force one, to save the taxpayers money, at least that's
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:10 AM
Jul 2018

What he said when he was campaigning.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
20. "New Book Reveals That President Trump Got Lost on Air Force One"
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:13 AM
Jul 2018

The majority of you reading this article, likely have flown on a commercial airliner, like the Boeing 747. As you know, boarding and navigating such an aircraft is pretty straightforward. You simply follow the narrow path between the seats to get to and from your own seat.
...
“After takeoff, Trump gets lost while giving Melania a tour of the plane. I don’t know how he gets lost, but he does. Air Force One is a beautiful bird, but it’s no different from any other commercial 747 in that there’s one narrow hallway that takes you from the front to the back.”

Dorey-Stein goes on to explain that the President ended up a seat in front of her, confused as to how to return to where he came from. “When I take a step back, Trump takes a step forward, into my personal space.”

https://hillreporter.com/new-book-reveals-that-president-trump-got-lost-on-air-force-one-3555

relogic

(155 posts)
21. The poor man is...
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:13 AM
Jul 2018

always compensating. His deficient, faux machismo must express itself and makes him look obviously weaker each time to clear-headed un-Foxed newsed humanity.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
27. The blue isn't a Kennedy thing. It's the color of the sky...it's that way for a reason.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:53 AM
Jul 2018

Camoflaged somewhat in the sky.

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. "Jackie Kennedy color"? Melania couldn't carry Jackie's..........(better stop here)
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:11 AM
Jul 2018

Jackie Kennedy was one of the most elegant First Ladies. Melania one of the trashiest.

keithbvadu2

(36,676 posts)
36. He wants tough? How about a bone spur and a condom painted on it?
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:43 AM
Jul 2018

He wants tough? How about a bone spur and a condom painted on it?

Donald bragged that avoiding STDs was his personal VN.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
40. I suppose we should be grateful he's not just having it spray-painted gold.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:41 AM
Jul 2018

They can maybe work on getting the Filet-O-Fish smell out while they're at it.

Brother Buzz

(36,389 posts)
48. When you can't differentiate between status and class you inevitably end up with tacky
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 12:52 PM
Jul 2018

This ain't gonna end well, bank on it.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,319 posts)
49. Raymond Loewy Under Attack!
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 12:58 PM
Jul 2018
Raymond Loewy



Loewy standing on one of his designs, the Pennsylvania Railroad's S1 steam locomotive*

Raymond Loewy (/ˈloʊiː/ LOH-ee, French pronunciation: ​[ʁɛmɔ̃ løui] November 5, 1893 – July 14, 1986) was a Franco–American industrial designer who achieved fame for the magnitude of his design efforts across a variety of industries. He was recognized for this by Time magazine and featured on its cover on October 31, 1949.

He spent most of his professional career in the United States, becoming a naturalized citizen in 1938. Among his designs were the Shell, Exxon, TWA and the former BP logos, the Greyhound Scenicruiser bus, Coca-Cola vending machines, the Lucky Strike package, Coldspot refrigerators, the Studebaker Avanti and Champion, and the Air Force One livery. He was involved with numerous railroad designs, including the Pennsylvania Railroad GG1 and S-1 locomotives, the color scheme and Eagle motif for the first streamliners of the Missouri Pacific Railroad and a number of lesser known color scheme and car interior designs for other railroads. His career spanned seven decades.

The press referred to Raymond Loewy as The Man Who Shaped America, The Father of Streamlining and The Father of Industrial Design.
....

Loewy designs
....

1960s

• Air Force One's distinctive blue, white and chrome livery, 1962. Variations on Loewy's original design are today flown by most of the U.S. Air Force's fleet of VIP aircraft, including the military "VC" models of 747s, 757s, 737s, and Gulfstreams.(A similar livery was applied in 2006 to Union Pacific diesel locomotive #4141 to honor former president George H. W. Bush)



Air Force One, the livery for which was designed by Loewy in the 1960s
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* He came up with the external appearance, but it's really a stretch to say that he designed it.

syringis

(5,101 posts)
52. Can someone explain him it's an official plane...
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:03 PM
Jul 2018

... meant to represent a whole country, not a Carnival char ??

kimbutgar

(21,060 posts)
57. Since he'll be our last president they should just paint it with a big T in gold
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:33 PM
Jul 2018

Putin is working on ensuring he is our last president.

jmowreader

(50,531 posts)
62. Is it also true...
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 04:43 PM
Jul 2018

...that Trump wants to change the National Anthem from "The Star-Spangled Banner" to "America-Fuck Yeah!"?

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