Red-state Dem tells Schumer to 'kiss my you know what' on Supreme Court vote

[Calista241]

Source: The Hil

Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) had strong words for Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) efforts to unify the party against President Trump’s Supreme Court pick.

Manchin suggested to Politico that Schumer does not have any influence over whether or not he supports Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination.

“I’ll be 71 years old in August, you’re going to whip me? Kiss my you know what,” Manchin told Politico, referring to whipping votes among the party caucus.

Schumer has spoken out harshly against Kavanaugh and vowed to oppose him “with everything I’ve got.” Democrats will need at least two GOP votes, in addition to all Democrats, to block the nomination.

But Democrats up for reelection in Trump states are not guaranteed votes against the confirmation, and many have signaled that Schumer’s efforts may not be enough to convince them to vote against the nominee.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/397020-red-state-dem-tells-schumer-to-kiss-my-you-know-what-on-supreme-court-vote

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Wow.

[Iliyah]

1. I'll wait and see. It's Politico/Hill

Republicans mudding the waters as usual.

[theaocp]

4. Is this or is this not a quote?

“I’ll be 71 years old in August, you’re going to whip me? Kiss my you know what."

[rzemanfl]

9. Me too. But I'm a Democrat. nt

[emulatorloo]

18. Yeah it's a quote. Sort of a meaningless quote. Nonetheless the hill likes to stir up shit

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And muddy the waters. Cuz that’s what the hill does.

That quote is just Manchin asserting his “independence” from Schumer. That’s sort of an obligatory thing these red state Dems have to say.

When push comes to shove he may come up w an independent reason to vote no on Kavanaugh.
, time will tell.

See this post below for a possible reason Manchin might have to vote no:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142109450#post21

[bucolic_frolic]

8. This is a hell of a year to buck the Blue Wave

even in red state West Virginia. Go with the momentum, Joe.

[Hortensis]

52. Repubs see Manchin's seat as in play -- a flip to red.

Manchin votes roughly half and half with Repubs and with us. If he loses to a Repub, that person will vote 95-100% with the Repubs.

When this particular Democratic senator publicly invites Schumer to kiss his ass, Schumer understands perfectly.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

53. The Hill is owned by a Trumpite Republican

Though theHill has some good jounalists who still prioritize truth,
Their owner is a Trumpite right winger who slants their coverage.

No one at DU should be reading the Hill.

[theaocp]

2. Good to know that

he'll be there when he's needed. He thinks he can go it alone? Fine. FUCK HIM. D.I.N.O.

[bearsfootball516]

3. Manchin is in one of the reddest states in th country.

I’d be stunned if he doesn’t vote to confirm. Not doing so would be political suicide for him.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. Republican Senators who shelved Merrick Garland suffered no ill effects for their actions

Little reason to think Manchin would face any adverse consequences at the ballot box if he voted against him. Only evangelicals make a lot of noise about Supreme Court nominees.

And if by chance Manchin loses because he voted against confirmation? At least we got something for his vote. Just once.

[Honeycombe8]

10. I think many Repubs besides evangelicals focus on the S.Ct.

That party focuses on that more than Dems do, IMO. The rural blue collar Repubs probably don't grasp the importance of it, but I'm pretty sure the rank & file middle class Repubs do.

He will vote how his constituents want him to. I heard on tv, as regards politicians doing the "right thing," that the name of the game for them is...to stay in the game.

Thing is...will the Dems in his state not vote for him if he votes to confirm Kavanaugh? Why isn't Manchin worried about the Dems in his state? Is it because he knows they are more likely to let it slide than the Repubs?

[theaocp]

13. Yes.

Dems are easily scared by the mantra, "Where else you gonna go?"

Conservatives don't fear that as much. False bravado, but it works.

[Kaleva]

43. Repub Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire was defeated

""I continue to believe the Senate should not move forward with the confirmation process until the people have spoken by electing a new president," said Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, another threatened Republican who is facing a tough re-election against the sitting Democratic governor of her state, Maggie Hassan. "

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/19/politics/supreme-court-senate-recess/index.html

[Snotcicles]

29. He needs to put the good of the country ahead of his political ambition. He has been freeloading off

that red-state BS long enough. Time for his slimy self to get off the fence. He or his seat isn't worth a lifetime of bad rulings on the SCOTUS.

[HopeAgain]

31. So he will be of no use to the Democrats

if he votes for Kavanaugh; there might as well be a Republican in the seat.

[bearsfootball516]

37. I'd rather have a blue dog who votes Democrat 50 percent of the time

Than a Republican who votes Republican 100 percent of the time.

[HopeAgain]

38. This is not just another vote

I don't want to share political affiliation with anyone who can vote to fuck this country and everything the party is supposed to stand for.

[alwaysinasnit]

40. Hate to say this but Manchin votes 60% in line with tRump's positions according to 538

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/joe-manchin-iii/

[Squinch]

5. Manchin kind of has to say that. He's in West Virginia. What is interesting is that he is NOT

saying he'll support Kavanaugh.

That answer was quite slick, actually.

[BeyondGeography]

12. Agreed...I'm actually confident he's a no

The first thing he came out in response to the nomination was the need for a justice who will protect the rights of W Virginians with pre-existing conditions.

[Squinch]

14. I'm certainly not confident, but that statement gives me hope.

And damn. A family member just had a serious medical emergency treated in one of West Virginia's premier medical facilities. What a friggin' mess.

[BeyondGeography]

21. Here it is

“The Supreme Court will ultimately decide if nearly 800,000 West Virginians with pre-existing conditions will lose their healthcare. This decision will directly impact almost 40% of my state, so I’m very interested in his position on protecting West Virginians with pre-existing conditions.

https://www.manchin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/07/09/2018/manchin-statement-on-presidents-supreme-court-nominee

[Squinch]

22. Then this dick swing against Schumer might just be

him clearing his way to a no vote. He disrespected the guy from New York, so now maybe his constituents will forgive him for voting no.

I hope that's what this is.

[emulatorloo]

23. Thanks for the quote and link

[emulatorloo]

17. Well said. He can come up with a reason to vote no when it is actually time to vote.

[Squinch]

54. And he's given his constituents the thrill of watching him

smack down the New Yorker. Which is really what they care about anyway.

I really hope we're right about this.

[Honeycombe8]

7. Well, that doesn't bode well for a "no" vote on Manchin. This should not have happened in public.

What a distressing spectacle. Couldn't they keep it behind closed doors?

[heaven05]

11. I knew when he won

and I want to see what that Alabama red state demo does. The one who beat the trump perv clone. Blue dogs are a fact of life but damn protect Americans first!!!!!!!!!!!

[bucolic_frolic]

15. How reliable is this story, accurate, or overemphasized?

If you wanted to sew discontent and despair amongst Democrats, Russian operative or not, you couldn't do much better than this one.

[mountain grammy]

16. I hope he does the right thing..can only hope

[yallerdawg]

19. I had a Red State Blue Dog House Democrat...

who came in with the first Obama wave. He opposed each and every Democratic issue in the House (but we had the numbers, see?).

The only "liberal" vote he ever made was in support of Nancy Pelosi for Speaker.

Just this one vote and the D after his name got him out in 2010.

No Red State Democrat can bow down to Chuck Schumer and not regret it.

[still_one]

20. I suspect your logic will fall on deaf ears among some. Some fail to grasp that numbers are

critical in both the House and Senate in order to control the agenda

If people are really serious about stopping or at least pushing back on trump and the republicans, manchin has to do whatever it takes to win in West Virginia

[yallerdawg]

25. Bobby Bright (D) in 2008 is running 10 years later as an (R).

What are they still dinging him for? THAT ONE VOTE!


Still from Martha Roby ad for next week's primary runoff:




Tweet from a jackass:




By the way.

Bobby Bright tells people that vote was a "no brainer." She was the only Democrat running for Speaker.

[Equinox Moon]

24. What is the point of him saying he is a Dem and votes red?

What is the point? How is he a Democrat? Does he ever vote with the Dems? Does he stand for any of the Dem Party positions? I don't get it. So he is in a red state and holds a Dem title but votes red. How is that a Dem?

[yallerdawg]

26. Yes. He does.

It wasn't just John McCain who saved the Affordable Care Act.

To name one vote.

[Equinox Moon]

27. Okay, that was an important vote. Glad he was a part of it.

I wonder what % of his votes are with Dems? I might look it up.

[Equinox Moon]

28. Found an interesting chart that plots out their votes.

Manchin is voting Republican light. He is the most extreme Dem voter in regards to how often he votes with Republicans, according to the chart.
He is up for re-election in 2018.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/joe_manchin/412391

[yallerdawg]

30. Walking a fine line, isn't he?

You know the state that had the highest percentage of deplorable voters? Yes, West Virginia.

[Calista241]

36. That graph is fascinating.

[PoliticAverse]

33. You have to distingush between voting with the Republicans when it doesn't matter...

and voting with the Democrats when it does.

[Tatiana]

32. I think he may vote no.

He can take the vote and still keep his seat, IMO.

[Initech]

34. Fuck you, Joe. Just switch parties and get it over with.

[left-of-center2012]

35. Manchin (D) running for re-election in a red state

Oh well.

[oasis]

39. If reelected, Manchin will vote mostly w/Democrats for 6 years. nt

[dflprincess]

41. And Kavanaugh could be on the Supreme Court for 30 years

Manchin needs to put the country ahead of himself. He might be pleasantly surprised how the voters react.

[PoliticAverse]

42. If Republicans have the 50 votes for the nomination already will Manchin's vote really matter? n/t

[dflprincess]

44. Actually they need 51 which they'll get with Pence

but what if Snow and/or Collins get the message from their constituents and don't vote for him and McCain doesn't make it back for the vote? Then what Manchin (along with Heitkamp& Donnelly) do will make a difference.

Interesting view from "The New Yorker"

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/red-state-democrats-fears-over-kavanaugh-vote-may-be-overblown

[Yupster]

47. My guess is that 4-5 Democratic senators vote yes

That way they protect each other because you can't say anyone was the deciding vote.

Just my cynical guess.

[PoliticAverse]

49. It's not cynical to know that Congress persons vote for things they oppose and against things...

they support on occasion for political cover when their vote won't change the outcome.

[PoliticAverse]

48. "Actually they need 51" - yes I know, they need 50 Senators (or Pence doesn't get to vote). n/t

[oasis]

45. If Kavanaugh is out another conservative emerges. We're not

gonna avoid a Trump SCOTUS appointment. No need handing over a senate seat to the Republicans on a done deal.

[dflprincess]

46. Read the New Yorker article

the blow back from supporting Kavanaugh (or any ass Spanky nominates) could be worse.

[Lib4lif3]

57. Why give up so quickly?

Who knows when Mueller puts the hammer on him? That could change a lot.

[oasis]

58. The SCOTUS vote will likely come up Sept/early Oct.. West Virginia's

air waves will be full of ads urging Manchin to accept "President Trump's choice for the Supreme Court". Manchin will have a month to come up with a good reason why he didn't back Trump's pick.

[Orsino]

59. If keeps helping Trump pack the Court, it won't matter how he votes.

Justices like Kavanaugh will undo the legislation we need.

[oasis]

60. Every SCOTUS candidate will be drawn from the pool of two dozen

submitted to Trump by the Federalist Society.

Manchin would look awfully silly rejecting one after another from the same batch of staunch conservatives.

[JCMach1]

50. Games within games

He was probably told to say it...

[duforsure]

51. How is he a Democrat?

[Maxheader]

55. Hell I dunno...

Maybe whoever owns the leash around these dinos necks
figures it looks better to have a pet liberal than a real
progressive to muck up the works..During past wars
when spys were caught behind enemy lines.....

[BlueMTexpat]

56. Why is anyone on DU

STILL posting The Hill?

Please stop.

[nolabels]

61. Mostly they have only a few rules here

One of them is not bashing elected Democratic party officials. Maybe flag an alert if that might feel appropriate

I often wonder about many things, but why people post here is not one of them

[BlueMTexpat]

62. Thanks for your response. eom