Gowdy: I don't think Mueller probe is a witch hunt
Source: The Hill
BY BRETT SAMUELS - 07/15/18 10:55 AM EDT
Retiring Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) said Sunday he doesnt believe special counsel Robert Muellers investigation into Russian election meddling is a witch hunt, despite President Trumps repeated claims that it is.
I dont think its a witch hunt. Ive never thought it was a witch hunt, Gowdy said on CBSs Face the Nation.
Russia attacked this country in 2016. Thats the number one thing weve asked Mueller to look at, he added. Gowdy argued that theres been a disproportionate amount of focus on the other aspect of the investigation, which is looking at with whom, if anyone, Russia coordinated.
So far, on the with whom if anyone did they do it weve got a big zero, he said.
Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/397087-gowdy-i-dont-think-mueller-probe-is-a-witch-hunt
milestogo
(16,829 posts)dalton99a
(81,432 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)"I don't think it will amount to anything." I reminded him of the indictments and the pleas and he acted like he didn't know what I was talking about.
Mister Ed
(5,928 posts)blue cat
(2,415 posts)And over 100 counts
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csziggy
(34,135 posts)For a list of the 20 "nobodies" see message #17 in this thread.
Here is a quick list taken from that message:
CONVICTIONS: 5
George Papadopoulos: Former Trump Campaign and Trump administration Foreign Policy Advisor
Michael Flynn: Former Army General, Trump Campaign Advisor, appointed by Trump as National Security Advisor and Director of National Intelligence
Rick Gates: former Trump campaign operative and partner to Paul Manafort
Richard Pinedo: California man convicted February 2, 2018 for helping the indicted Russian individuals and companies in their meddling in the Presidential election.
Alex Van der Zwaan: The son-in-law of a Russian oligarch
Jeffrey Yohai: On May 17, 2018 the Wall Street Journal reports Mueller secured a sixth conviction and another cooperating witness against Manafort. Jeffrey Yohai was a business associate of Manaforts and until divorcing last year the husband to one of Manaforts daughters. The Wall Street Journal Reports he entered a guilty plea in January that remains under seal as he has been cooperating with the Mueller team since.
Paul Manafort: Trumps Campaign Chairman
Konstantin Kilimnik: associate of Manafort
13 more Russians and Three Russian Corporations. Indicted on February 16, 2018.
12 Additional Russia GRU Agents indicted on July 13, 2018.
None of the convicted/pleaded guilty group are "nobodies" - neither is Paul Manafort, his son-in-law, or his business associates. While the public has not yet seen direct ties to Trump, there is already clear evidence with convictions based on that evidence of a conspiracy against the US (see Rick Gates plea).
This is why Mueller is still going- he's got all the threads and is pulling them together.
As for your other criticisms, Democrats are capable of dealing with more than one thing at once. We can throw stuff at Trump, discuss possible impeachment (what else do you do with a President who worked with a foreign adversary to get elected and is now following the lead of that adversary to tear apart our allies and government?), and make snide comments about a woman who has never apologized for impugning the birth of our previous president.
Meanwhile we all need to get out the vote!
PatSeg
(47,370 posts)but rest assured that Mueller has a lot more than zero.
DeminPennswoods
(15,273 posts)starts.
FakeNoose
(32,620 posts)I wish these TV reporters would just call him out and embarrass him on camera.
Such an asshole!
forgotmylogin
(7,524 posts)pecosbob
(7,534 posts)why did you hold that kangaroo court for Peter Stzrok? I really want to see a Gowdy gotcha moment where he's caught on tape giving the real reasons for the Benghazi investigation and then see him personally held responsible to the U.S. taxpayer for all the money he flushed down the toilet in a partisan hatchet job.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)inquisition they put Hillary through? She made them look like fools, especially Trey Trey. It was funny the way she brushed imaginary lint off her shoulder in the middle of the questioning. None of them are any match for intelligent people.
MontanaMama
(23,302 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)and trying to impeach Rosenstein. Sounds guilty to me.
Squinch
(50,935 posts)He seems to know there was a coup. From his statements, I don't think he was one of the inner circle that executed it. But he's carrying their water with everything he does while at the same time saying "yeah, it happened and it's a real danger to our country. We gotta get to the bottom of this!"
I think he must be retiring because he just can't keep up.
paleotn
(17,911 posts)You fucking pinhead. After your committee performance you're nothing but a fucking traitor. I hope with all my heart you end up tried, convicted and end up imprisoned with Meadows and all the rest.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Gothmog
(145,086 posts)SylviaD
(721 posts)There is AMPLE evidence of obstruction.
OBVIOUS collusion.
PLAIN high crimes and misdemeanors.
I'd just like to point out something that no one seems to mention...Robert Mueller is a registered Repug.
HMMMM....
shraby
(21,946 posts)was pretty detailed.
At the same time he's been interviewing everyone in and around the mess on this side of the ocean. That all takes time. He has to verify each and every sentence the liars have told him, bring them back and ask "what about this?"
When all the stories come together and make sense, then he can drop the other shoe(s).
Considering the number of emails, correspondence, phone info, interviews he has done to date, I would say the shoe(s) are going to drop soon. Maybe all at once, or section by section of the puzzle in order.
Any way you cut it, they are totally screwed after the detail on the Russian side of it.
Oneironaut
(5,491 posts)The talking point, Mueller is taking forever! is total garbage. Theyre doing whatever they can to railroad the investigation, lest the Fuhrer be exposed.
marble falls
(57,063 posts)more, like Devin Casper Nunes, who's never been camera adverse before - where the hell has he been? Could he be the elected official unnamed in Mueller's Russian indictment?
Stone, Nunes(?), 12 Russians plus the jailed, the plead guilty, the indicted already - nothing's happenned?
dlk
(11,541 posts)turbinetree
(24,688 posts)CONVICTIONS: 5 (or 6, see below)
George Papadopoulos: Former Trump Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor, continued in that role after Trump became President. Convicted October 5, 2017 for lying to the FBI regarding communications, on behalf of and with the encouragement Trump Campaign, with Russians aimed at getting dirt on Hillary Clinton from Russian hacked emails. Was arrested July 27, 2017 but the conviction and plea agreement was not released until October 30th. In the interim he continued to work in the Trump Administration and may have been wearing a wire on behalf of the Mueller team.
Michael Flynn: Former Army General, Trump Campaign Advisor, led lock her up chants as a keynote speaker at the Republican National Convention, appointed by Trump as National Security Advisor and Director of National Intelligence, perhaps the most sensitive position related to national security in the Administration. Convicted (by guilty plea) on December 1, 2017 for lying to the FBI and regarding contacts and communications with Russians on behalf of the Trump transition team. The plea bargain agreement requires that Flynn fully cooperate with the investigation.
Richard Pinedo: California man convicted February 2, 2018 for helping the indicted Russian individuals and companies in their meddling in the Presidential election. Pinedo helped the Russians use dummy bank accounts to work around the security of companies like PayPal. Pinedo helped the Russians appear online as if they were Americans. Pinedo is now cooperating with Muellers team.
Alex Van der Zwaan: The son-in-law of a Russian oligarch pleads guilty on February 20, 2018 for lying to the FBI regarding his communications with oligarch pleads guilty on February 20, 2018 for lying to the FBI regarding his communications with Rick Gates and Paul Manafort on behalf of pro-Soviet elements in the Ukraine. The communications involved were in September 2016, shortly after Manafort left the Trump Campaign and while Gates was still part of the campaign. On March 27, 2018 Mueller files a Sentencing Memorandum with the court for Van der Zwaan. This document details communications, some of which were recorded, between Gates, Manafort and a Russian intelligence agent. This conviction, along with an expected plea agreement with Rick Gates (see below), is seen as evidence that the Mueller noose is tightening around Former Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manaforts indictment. On April 3, 2018 Alex van Der Zwaan is sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined $20,000, becoming the first person sentenced in the Russia investigation.
Rick Gates: As widely anticipated, on February 23, 2018 Rick Gates strikes a plea agreement and pleads guilty to multiple counts for conspiracy to defraud the United States and making false statements. Gates is Manaforts long term right hand man who stayed with the Trump Campaign and the administration after Manafort left. Gates agrees that a government drafted Statement of Criminal Information spells out facts and allegations that are true. The Criminal Information Gates stipulates to completely sells out Manafort as it details wide ranging schemes to defraud the United States, money launder, bank fraud and tax fraud. Gates admits to making false statements even after originally indicted in late October 2017 and the Criminal Information seems to indicate Manafort did too. The criminal enterprises detailed in the Criminal Information, and in the Superseding Indictment filed the day before, include many instances of these crimes being committed while Gates and Manafort were working for the Trump Campaign and while Gates was working in the Trump Administration. As is typical, the plea agreement requires that Gates shall cooperate fully, truthfully, completely and forthrightly with this Office and other Federal, state and local law enforcement authorities identified by this Office in any and all matters to which this Office deems cooperation relevant.
Jeffrey Yohai?: On May 17, 2018 the Wall Street Journal reports Mueller secured a sixth conviction and another cooperating witness against Manafort. Jeffrey Yohai was a business associate of Manaforts and until divorcing last year the husband to one of Manaforts daughters. The Wall Street Journal Reports he entered a guilty plea in January that remains under seal as he has been cooperating with the Mueller team since. The WSJ says Yohai plead guilty to a variety of bank and real estate fraud matters and that pursuant to his plea bargain is required to fully cooperate with Muellers investigation. If true this would be the second close associate of Manafort to turn against him.
INDICTED: 27 Individuals and 3 Corporations.
Paul Manafort: Originally hired by Trump in the crucial role of securing delegates for the Republican National Convention then made Trumps Campaign Chairman. Fired abruptly after a NY Times report describing massive possible illegal financial transactions from pro-Russian groups in the Ukraine. Indicted with Rick Gates on October 30, 2017 on charges of conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading FARA statements, false statements, and multiple counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts. The indictment alleges Manafort and Gates acted as agents for pro-Russian parties and elements of the Ukrainian government (tied to former pro-Soviet Ukrainian President Victor Yanukovych). They allegedly received millions in payments from the pro-Russia elements and then in order to hide the Ukraine payments from United States authorities . . . laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations, partnerships and bank accounts. They then lied about it to investigators and did not report the income on their taxes. Put simply, the indictment alleges that Trumps Former Campaign Chairman was a major international financial criminal racketeer. On February 22d Mueller releases a new 32 count indictment alleging and detailing additional counts of tax fraud, money laundering and bank fraud totaling tens of millions of dollars. The following day Rick Gates pleads guilty in a deal that completely sells out his old partner (see above). On February 23d, just a couple of hours after Rick Gates pleads guilty (see above) Mueller issues yet another superseding indictment against Manafort detailing additional allegations of money laundering, bank fraud and sponsoring foreign lobbyists without the required disclosures. On June 4, 2018 the government filed a motion to revoke Manaforts bail on grounds he has used his freedom to illegally, and in violation of his bail terms, attempt to influence witnesses and suborn perjury. On June 8, 2018 Mueller filed another superseding indictment against Manafort adding Russian intelligence operating Konstantin Kilimnik as a co-defendant. Manafort and Kilimnik are accused the usual array of charges associated with conspiracy to defraud the United States, FARA reporting violations, money laundering, bank and wire transfer fraud and tax evasion. However, the new indictment also charges Manafort and Kilimnik with obstruction of justice via witness tampering. In particular, they are charged with corruptly attempting to persuade two witnesses with intent to influence, delay or prevent testimony in violation of 18 USC 1512. This witness tampering is alleged to have occurred recently, in February and April of this year. These very serious alleged crimes while Manafort was out on bail are the basis for a government motion to revoke his bail. On June 15, 2018 The judge grants the governments motion to revoke Paul Manaforts jail for attempted witness tampering. He is promptly removed from the courtroom by U.S. Marshals to the jail holding area.
Konstantin Kilimnik: As discussed above this Russian spy/intelligence operative was added to the indictment list via a superseding indictment including Paul Manafort on June 8, 2018. Manafort and Kilimnik are accused of wide ranging conspiracies to defraud the United States, FARA reporting violations, money laundering, bank and wire transfer fraud and tax evasion and witness tampering while Manafort was on bail. Manafort employed Kilimnik in his company to lobby for pro-Russian candidates in the Ukraine.
13 more Russians and Three Russian Corporations. Indicted on February 16, 2018. The indictment alleges the Defendants operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaging Hillary Clinton. The indictment alleges specific violations of FARA, wire and bank fraud, and identity theft (to allow them to pose as real Americans). One of the Russian social media accounts was Twitter account @Tenn-GOP which claimed to be the Unofficial Twitter account of Tennessee Republicans. Both Kellyanne Conway and Trump Junior followed that Russia meddling account and retweeted it. The indictment focuses on The Internet Research Agency, its employees, and shell corporations.
The Internet Research Agency itself.
Concord Management: shell corporation for The Internet Research.
Concord Catering: shell corporation for The Internet Research Agency.
Yevgeny Prigozhin: The head of the Internet Research Agency and financier of the conspiracy.
Mikhail Bystrov
Mikhail Burchik
Aleksandra Krylova
Anna Bogacheva
Sergey Polozov
Maria Bovda
Robert Bovda
Dzheykhun Ogly
Vadim Podkopaev
Gleb Vasilchenko
Irina Kaverzina
Vladimir Venkov
12 Additional Russia GRU Agents indicted on July 13, 2018. All12 are members of the Russian GRU (the successor to the KGB). The indictment identifies them as members of GRU Groups 26165 and 74455, both set up for this purpose of meddling in the American election. The indictment states:
The object of the conspiracy was to hack into the computers of U.S. persons and entities involved in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, steal documents from those computers, and stage releases of the stolen documents to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
Another purpose was even more nefarious. The Russian GRU agents attempted to hack state voter records. In the words of the indictment:
The object of the conspiracy was to hack into protected computers of persons and entities charged with the administration of the 2016 US. elections in order to access these computers and steal voter data and other information stored on these computers.
Both conspiracies succeeded. The hacks into Democratic and Hillary Campaign computers resulted in the theft of tens of thousands of emails and other documents that were then used in a weaponized manner to great effect against the Clinton Campaign. The indictment alleges the Russian GRU released the emails first through the GRU created fronts of DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0.
The indictment alleges that the Russian GRU, acting as Guccifer 2.0, funneled the stolen information for Wikileaks for release. Wikileaks at least knew the material was stolen, and volunteered to the Russian GRU that it would be better means of releasing the information than Guccifer. The indictment alleges Wikileaks and Guccifer coordinated the release to information to most damage the Clinton Campaign and thereby help the Trump Campaign.
As for the stealing of voter data, the indictment alleges the GRU successfully hacked at least one states stealing information on about 500,000 voters that included their, names, addresses, partial social security numbers, dates of birth, and drivers license numbers.
This series of indictments comes closer to the Trump Campaign than many realize.
The indictment identifies the 12 Russians as members of GRU Units 26165 and 74455, set up for the purpose of this mission to interfere in the American elections. They are charged with computer hacking, data theft, fraud, identity theft and money laundering to cover the conspiracy. The 12 Russians are:
Viktor Netyksho: Commander of Unit 26165.
Boris Antonov: Member of Unit 26165 and Head of the Department dedicated to targeting military, political, governmental, and no-governmental organizations with spearphishing emails and other computer activities.
Dmitry Badin: Member of Unit 26165.
Ivan Yermakov: Russian military officer assigned to Unit 26165. Used various online personas including Kate S. Milton, James MocMorgans, and Karen W. Millen to hack email accounts.
Alesky Lukashev: Member of Unit 26165 assigned to Antonovs department.
Sergey Morgachev: Member of Unit 26165 in charge of department using the malware hacking tool X-Agent used to hack Democratic networks.
Nikolay Kozachek: Member of Unit 26165 assigned to Morgachevs department, the developer of X-Agent.
Pavel Yershov: Member of Unit 26165 assigned to Morgachevs department.
Artem Malyshev: Member of unit 26165 assigned to Morgachevs department. Used a variety of online monikers includeing djangomagicdev and realblatr. Responsible for monitoring the X-Agent malware implanted in the systems of the DNC and other Democratic organizations.
Aleksandr Orsadchuk: Russian military Colonel commanding Unit 74455. This unit was responsible for releasing stolen documents through the DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 personas and the publication of anti-Clinton propaganda on social media accounts operated by the GRU.
Aleksey Potemkin: Supervisor of a Department in Unit 74455.
Anatoliy Kovalev: Member of Unit 74455 involved in the hacking of state election computers and databases.
https://medium.com/@KeithDB/a-running-tab-of-mueller-investigation-convictions-indictments-f518b9a72827
So Gowdy here is the math in your head..............5+27+13+12= 0 right.........asshole............. ................................ do you think this is "personnel" or full of "bias"................................. ........................take off your ............................
And now your going to go into retirement and further fuck the taxpayer with your tenure pay.................Fuck you
November 2018 cannot get here fast enough.......................vote
Oneironaut
(5,491 posts)12 Russians just got indicted yesterday. Manafort got indicted. Roger Stone is next.
Theyre blowing smoke out of their butts with this No one has been indicted yet! bullshit. How irresponsible...
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Attacks one of the most important investigations in this country's history, with distorted facts to obstruct , and undermine justice, and a former prosecutor makes his intentions even more revealing. His actions speak louder than any of his words, and his inactions against trump should serve as who he's protecting , and why, putin. Its all about power and control for trump , putin and the republicans, and he's complicit with them all. Co-conspirators with be held accountable for their actions.
BumRushDaShow
(128,748 posts)Asking for a friend.
Gothmog
(145,086 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)However, his 'not a witch hunt' is helpful in reaching those noncommitted voters - and that is useful. Similiarly, its easy to carp/condemn here about 'Morning Joe', but he is more helpful to reaching those noncommitted voters we need than the BS/KOC tour.
FakeNoose
(32,620 posts)That's why he's trying to get on CBS, NBC and other news programs.
Pretty soon he won't get anyone to interview him, he's out the door.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Over country and soon all republicans will have to choose. Get more popcorn as this show is going to get better and better.
donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)He's such a liar! His performance at the Rosenstein and Strzok Hearings belies that. What a dipshit he is! I hope he never makes it.to judgeship. He doesn't deserve to be one.