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Judi Lynn

(160,530 posts)
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 07:48 PM Jul 2018

Day care owner gets probation for trying to kill child

Source: Associated Press


Updated 5:37 pm CDT, Monday, July 16, 2018

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A Minneapolis day care owner was sentenced to 10 years of probation for trying to kill a toddler in her home by hanging him from a noose.

Forty-three-year-old Nataliia Karia was sentenced Monday after earlier pleading guilty to attempted murder and third-degree assault. She also pleaded guilty to criminal vehicular operation for hitting a pedestrian, a bicyclist and another driver as she fled from her home in a minivan in November 2016.

The Star Tribune reports Karia must follow court-ordered mental health treatment and will be on electronic home monitoring for at least two months.

According to the complaint, a father was dropping off his son at the home when Karia led him toward the basement, where he saw the toddler hanging from a noose. He released the child and fled with him. The 16-month-old boy survived.

Read more: https://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Day-care-owner-gets-probation-for-trying-to-kill-13080017.php





Earlier story:

Day Care Owner Charged with Attempted Murder Pleads Not Guilty in Case Where Child Found Hanging
June 07, 2017 03:54 PM

. . .

The owner of an in-home day care facing attempted murder, assault and criminal vehicular operation charges in connection with an incident last November when a 16-month old child was found hanging from the basement ceiling of her home has pleaded not guilty on all counts.

Nataliia Karia of Minneapolis entered her pleas in Hennepin County District Court Wednesday. She is being charged with second-degree attempted murder, third-degree assault of a victim under four and two counts of criminal vehicular operation.

According to the criminal complaint, a man was dropping of his 3-year-old son at the day care on the 2700 block of Humboldt Avenue South on Nov. 18 when Karia told him she “couldn’t take it anymore” and brought him to the basement.

There, he heard a baby crying and saw the 16-month-old boy hanging from a noose. The man rescued the child and left the day care. The man then called his wife, who called police and drove to Karia’s house to care for the other children until officers arrived, according to the complaint.

More:
http://kstp.com/news/nataliia-karia-minneapolis-day-care-not-guilty-plea-16-month-old-found-hanging/4507180/
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Day care owner gets probation for trying to kill child (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2018 OP
PROBATION?!? HopeAgain Jul 2018 #1
I know! sakabatou Jul 2018 #2
Mentally ill. Psychopathic eyes. Not all there. Sentence include treatment. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #6
So the criminally insane HopeAgain Jul 2018 #8
She isn't considered criminally insane. LisaL Jul 2018 #17
She had a child hanging by a noose, she fled the scene, hit a car, Arkansas Granny Jul 2018 #3
She's White. nt alphafemale Jul 2018 #4
Sad, but probably true. Shameful. Arkansas Granny Jul 2018 #5
Yeah...because there are no White People in prison Top-Hat Jul 2018 #10
Welcome to DU! moriah Jul 2018 #16
Thank you! Top-Hat Jul 2018 #21
Oh please...White people go to prison all the time Top-Hat Jul 2018 #9
LOWER MIDDLE CLASS white people. or poor white people. pansypoo53219 Jul 2018 #15
Nonsense, all kinds of white felons go to prison -- Doctors, Lawyers whathehell Jul 2018 #27
of course REAL criminals. but poor white can be railroaded like blacks. pansypoo53219 Jul 2018 #35
I don't think I denied that.. whathehell Jul 2018 #37
Was the little guy black? Scarsdale Jul 2018 #19
Here is why she is on probation - for the most part chowder66 Jul 2018 #7
It's pretty clear she is mentally ill. Chemisse Jul 2018 #11
Or she had some sort of major breakdown considering how many seem to support her. chowder66 Jul 2018 #13
I'd be gladder if they were focusing on treatment by keeping an eye on her rocktivity Jul 2018 #18
I hope she's through operating a day care now. House of Roberts Jul 2018 #12
She got a job with ICE. marble falls Jul 2018 #14
I Don't Care About Her. alphafemale Jul 2018 #20
I care about all the mentally ill people who are treated like criminals rather than helped. Chemisse Jul 2018 #23
If not for a fortunate turn of events a toddler would be dead alphafemale Jul 2018 #26
Everybody feels badly for the baby, and it's so lucky that he survived this. Chemisse Jul 2018 #33
She needs treatment, but society, needs protection from people like her whathehell Jul 2018 #29
That really is surprising. Chemisse Jul 2018 #32
It certainly is.. whathehell Jul 2018 #34
Point out where I said chowder66 Jul 2018 #24
At this point there is NOTHING to protect any toddler within her reach alphafemale Jul 2018 #25
That's not true. chowder66 Jul 2018 #31
Being a white woman: The best "Get out of jail free" card. Oneironaut Jul 2018 #22
Uh uh..Lots of white women in prison..Ever heard of Betty Buckley? whathehell Jul 2018 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2018 #30
Immigrant from Ukraine. But not Hispanic, so gets a pass mainer Jul 2018 #36

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
8. So the criminally insane
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 08:43 PM
Jul 2018

Can walk the streets as long as they get treatment? I know someone who spit on a cops boots in an alcohol blackout who got a more severe sentence with zero priors.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
17. She isn't considered criminally insane.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:22 PM
Jul 2018

The plea would have been "not guilty by reason of insanity." She just plead guilty.
Got an extremely lenient sentence, obviously.

Arkansas Granny

(31,516 posts)
3. She had a child hanging by a noose, she fled the scene, hit a car,
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 07:58 PM
Jul 2018

hit a man and dragged him for 10 blocks, hit a bicyclist and broke his leg and she gets probation?!?!?

How can this be?

moriah

(8,311 posts)
16. Welcome to DU!
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:13 PM
Jul 2018

Let me go ahead and do a little bit of a breakdown for you here.

1) Yes, there are white people in prison. But the race of the defendant has been proven to be correlated with disproportionate sentencing for the same crime. Whatever the cause, it's simply there in the math.

2) Responding to someone bringing up disproportionate sentencing with such an inane argument as "white people do get sent to jail too" will not likely be responded to very well.

Enjoy your stay!

 

Top-Hat

(11 posts)
21. Thank you!
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:20 AM
Jul 2018

Disproportionately, is real, but doesn't mean that one can simply ignore the particulars of each case and conclude the outcome of that case is a matter of race. That's not arguing "disproportionately." It's a blanket generalization made in the absence of case facts.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
27. Nonsense, all kinds of white felons go to prison -- Doctors, Lawyers
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:22 PM
Jul 2018

Business owners.
I watch a lot of True Crime, so quite a few names come to mind:. There's Dr. Martin MacNeil, a Utah doctor convicted of drowning his wife in a bathtub, Perry March, a lawyer who beat his wife to death, Dr. Clara Harris, a dentist who killed her husband by running her car over him, Lyle and Eric Menendez who killed their parents, Dr. Jeffrey MacDonald, who murdered his wife & two children, John List, insurance salesman from New Jersey.who wiped out his entire family, and these are just a few.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
37. I don't think I denied that..
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:33 AM
Jul 2018

although everyone is entitled to legal counsel.

I'm not sure where we disagree.

chowder66

(9,069 posts)
7. Here is why she is on probation - for the most part
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 08:42 PM
Jul 2018

There is more in the article about others not wanting her to spend her life in jail....

He told the court his mother hadn’t been sleeping more than two hours a night in the weeks before. He said she expressed to him that she’d had suicidal thoughts, but that going to the hospital could jeopardize her day care license.

http://kstp.com/news/defense-argues-for-lesser-sentence-for-daycare-owner-in-case-where-child-found-hanging-nataliia-karia-/4920062/

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
11. It's pretty clear she is mentally ill.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:15 PM
Jul 2018

I'm glad they are focusing on treatment, but still keeping an eye on her.

chowder66

(9,069 posts)
13. Or she had some sort of major breakdown considering how many seem to support her.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:43 PM
Jul 2018

What a horrible situation for everyone. Seems like the family also were trying to do the right thing here.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
18. I'd be gladder if they were focusing on treatment by keeping an eye on her
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 01:12 AM
Jul 2018

full time in a hospital setting -- especially if that hasn't happened already.


rocktivity

House of Roberts

(5,169 posts)
12. I hope she's through operating a day care now.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:16 PM
Jul 2018

She'd have had a better chance to keep her day care if she'd sought help first.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
20. I Don't Care About Her.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 06:47 AM
Jul 2018

She tried to kill a child.

People need to know she is somewhere far away from access to killing their children.

You think she should be allowed to pursue her hobby of hanging toddlers by their necks?

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
23. I care about all the mentally ill people who are treated like criminals rather than helped.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:32 AM
Jul 2018

I can't even fathom what it would be like to be swimming in a swirl of psychosis, completely out of touch with reality and overtaken by terrifying thoughts and impulses. And then to be treated and pull out of that awful place in their minds and realize what they had done. Horrific.

There but for the grace of the gods go I.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
26. If not for a fortunate turn of events a toddler would be dead
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 07:49 PM
Jul 2018

That is who I feel sorry for.

Not her.

Not at all.

Up to the point she tried to murder a small child empathy.

Yes.

After.

NO.

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
33. Everybody feels badly for the baby, and it's so lucky that he survived this.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:39 PM
Jul 2018

Sadly, most people don't understand the lack of control one has when in the throes of a severe mental illness, and inevitably treat the ill person as if they sadistically planned and enacted a violent crime.

Imagine if you had an epileptic seizure and unknowingly kicked a child in the face during the seizure. When you woke up people were angry at you, and the police came and arrested you for assaulting a child.

That wouldn't happen because we all understand that you did not have control over your actions during the seizure. Severe mental illness is similar, yet there is no understanding or compassion.

It's easy to feel sad for that poor baby. It's also easy to recoil at the horror of what she did to him. It's a whole lot harder to imagine the plight of others to also feel badly for the sick woman who did it.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
29. She needs treatment, but society, needs protection from people like her
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:51 PM
Jul 2018

at least while she's still sick.
That's really the beginning and end of it for me. I can't imagine why she wasn't confined to a mental hospital.


Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
32. That really is surprising.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:12 PM
Jul 2018

If only for a few months, until they are sure she is stable on her medicine.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
34. It certainly is..
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:21 PM
Jul 2018

I really can't imagine letting anyone immediately back into society immediately after an action such as hers.

chowder66

(9,069 posts)
24. Point out where I said
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:26 AM
Jul 2018

"You think she should be allowed to pursue her hobby of hanging toddlers by their necks? "

I'll wait.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
25. At this point there is NOTHING to protect any toddler within her reach
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 07:45 PM
Jul 2018

She is an OBVIOUS danger to others.

chowder66

(9,069 posts)
31. That's not true.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:55 PM
Jul 2018

After a two-hour hearing, Karia received a 10-year probationary sentence, with credit for the 20 months in jail. She also must follow court-ordered mental health treatment and electronic home monitoring for at least two months. She will live with her adult son but cannot have unsupervised contact with her daughters or other minors. Karia’s three other children are ages 2, 7 and 10, and child protection proceedings continue over her fitness as a parent.

In deciding against prison time, Quam agreed with the assessment by doctors that Karia was “a low risk” to reoffend. He called her actions “the perfect storm of factors unlikely to ever be repeated.” He said Karia’s “was one of the hardest cases I’ve ever had. ... There are no easy answers here.”

http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-daycare-provider-who-hanged-toddler-from-noose-to-be-sentenced/488290231/

Also, if she breaks parole, she goes to jail for nearly 13 years.

Oneironaut

(5,494 posts)
22. Being a white woman: The best "Get out of jail free" card.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:42 AM
Jul 2018

It’s not a privilege (except for the white part), though. It means that society still doesn’t take women seriously.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
28. Uh uh..Lots of white women in prison..Ever heard of Betty Buckley?
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:32 PM
Jul 2018

or Clara Harris, a dentist who killed her husband? Jody Arias, for killing her boyfriend, Diane Downs who killed her children, Darlee Routier, sitting on death row for killing her son?.. There's plenty of them

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

mainer

(12,022 posts)
36. Immigrant from Ukraine. But not Hispanic, so gets a pass
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:08 PM
Jul 2018

Because only immigrants from shithole countries are criminals.

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