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Qutzupalotl

(14,302 posts)
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:36 PM Jul 2018

Special counsel Robert Mueller asks for immunity for five potential witnesses in Paul Manafort trial

Source: CNBC

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The five individuals would either refuse to take the witness stand against Manafort, or refuse to answer questions because of their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination if they are not granted immunity and compelled to testify with that protection from prosecution, according to Mueller's filing in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va.

Mueller has also asked Judge T.S. Ellis to seal from public view the court motions detailing the witnesses' identities.

"The five individuals identified in the motions at issue are third parties who have not been charged in this matter, and who have not been identified publicly with the case," Mueller's team argued in a filing asking for that sealing order. "Disclosing the motions would reveal those individuals’ involvement in the investigation and the trial, thereby creating the risk of their undue harassment.'
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"Sealing is also appropriate because the information contained in the motions could lead to reputational harm," prosecutors wrote. Mueller's team noted that if the individuals do testify at Manafort's trial, their identities would become public.


Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/mueller-asks-for-immunity-for-five-witnesses-in-manafort-case.html

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Special counsel Robert Mueller asks for immunity for five potential witnesses in Paul Manafort trial (Original Post) Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 OP
Could include Flynn, Gates, Papadopoulos, Dutch guy, and/or others. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #1
Most of those people are well known though so its likely cstanleytech Jul 2018 #5
No, they have been charged and identified csziggy Jul 2018 #7
Ah, good catch. Thanks. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #14
Not only a nice catch, but kind in presentation. Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #27
I actually want the truth and more--at least some measure of revenge--but I 'm petty at times. Julian Englis Jul 2018 #29
'the information contained in the motions could lead to reputational harm' pecosbob Jul 2018 #11
I think he means killed. Cold War Spook Jul 2018 #21
The screws are tightening. Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #2
Like, he can't pardon them before they testify? bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #8
If they get pardoned, they have to testify. forgotmylogin Jul 2018 #10
Like, he can't find out who they are in time to tamper with them. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #12
Guess 1... Reince C_U_L8R Jul 2018 #3
Priebus would be a good guess, involved with the Trump campaign early FakeNoose Jul 2018 #17
Maybe even.. cannabis_flower Jul 2018 #19
The GOPee has so many people asking for immunity, sandensea Jul 2018 #4
'undue harassment.' ........ Good Lord! bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #6
Yes! MyOwnPeace Jul 2018 #13
Like a house o' cards. We gotta start a pool. Put me down for Friday ... marble falls Jul 2018 #9
This is shaping up to be a bumpy week for Trump Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #15
It had to come back our way. I honestley think cheetolini's finally on the way out. marble falls Jul 2018 #16
With "all " of his other buds...................... turbinetree Jul 2018 #18
Further detail from twitter: Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #20
It's so simple it shows up on crime dramas all the time... Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #22
Please, please be some Republican big wigs like Mercers or better yet , Republican law makers. Pepsidog Jul 2018 #23
I hope not. They shouldn't get immunity. Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #24
Yes you are correct. My bad. Pepsidog Jul 2018 #28
Woo Hoo laserhaas Jul 2018 #25
Hope Hicks? Sancho Jul 2018 #26

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
5. Most of those people are well known though so its likely
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:43 PM
Jul 2018

that its people that are not in the public eye as much currently.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
7. No, they have been charged and identified
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:46 PM
Jul 2018

From the OP:

"The five individuals identified in the motions at issue are third parties who have not been charged in this matter, and who have not been identified publicly with the case," Mueller's team argued in a filing asking for that sealing order.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
27. Not only a nice catch, but kind in presentation.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 07:19 PM
Jul 2018

We all just want the truth. There's so much shit out there. I'm glad to see folks kindly helping each other along without diminishing each other. After all, no Democrat has ever asked for this. But, we have to unfold it and understand it, bc, America is literally at stake.

Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
29. I actually want the truth and more--at least some measure of revenge--but I 'm petty at times.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:13 PM
Jul 2018

I admit that I'd like to see tRump, Manafort and the rest of tRump's most villainous enablers punished. Indeed, if collusion can be proved, I'd like to see all involve stripped of their citizenship and their worldly goods. I'd wish ill upon their souls, too, but we all know these vile people no long have souls, having sold them long ago.

But as I said, I can be petty.

pecosbob

(7,537 posts)
11. 'the information contained in the motions could lead to reputational harm'
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:51 PM
Jul 2018

don't really think the people mentioned fit this description...some have already plead to other crimes and some have been sentenced...their reputations are already trashed.

Qutzupalotl

(14,302 posts)
2. The screws are tightening.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:39 PM
Jul 2018

Mueller only “speaks” through legal actions. Doubtless the immunity is necessary on its own, but there might also be a message to Trump in this. Like, “Hey, look what we can do.”

forgotmylogin

(7,527 posts)
10. If they get pardoned, they have to testify.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:50 PM
Jul 2018

They can't incriminate themselves if they are pardoned of a crime. Also, I think the article said the witnesses aren't being charged with anything, but their testimony might involve things that could get them in trouble.

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
17. Priebus would be a good guess, involved with the Trump campaign early
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:17 PM
Jul 2018

You know who were involved even earlier on the campaign - Hope Hicks and Corey Lewandowski.

marble falls

(57,077 posts)
9. Like a house o' cards. We gotta start a pool. Put me down for Friday ...
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:49 PM
Jul 2018

Manaford comes to an honest self appraisal and offers to talk a plea 1:30PM NYC time.

Qutzupalotl

(14,302 posts)
15. This is shaping up to be a bumpy week for Trump
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:10 PM
Jul 2018

to say the least. So you might be right.

This Friday is the two year anniversary of “Russia, if you’re listening...”

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
18. With "all " of his other buds......................
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:27 PM
Jul 2018

what is turtle and "ayn rand" going to do..................nothing....................

Qutzupalotl

(14,302 posts)
20. Further detail from twitter:
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:43 PM
Jul 2018



The Special Counsel's Office says they aren't sure if they will call any of the witnesses so they want to file the requests for immunity under seal.

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My speculation: these could be the witnesses Paulie was attempting to tamper with. Just a guess.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
22. It's so simple it shows up on crime dramas all the time...
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:43 PM
Jul 2018

especially true in these big conspiracy/mob-style investigations.

If you don't flip, we'll find someone that will flip on you. He who flips first gets the best deal.

The corner that Manafort has painted himself into just got smaller.

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