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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:20 AM Jul 2018

Soy "milk" may soon be targeted for not coming from cow

Source: SFGate

NEW YORK (AP) — Soy and almond drinks don't come from cows, so regulators may soon ask them to stop calling themselves "milk."

The Food and Drug Administration is signaling that it plans to start enforcing a federal standard that defines "milk" as coming from the "milking of one or more healthy cows." To date, the agency has not aggressively gone after the proliferation of plant-based drinks labeled as milk.

FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb at a Politico event this week said that the agency must first notify food makers of plans to change enforcement rules. He said that will happen in about a year.

Milk producers have long called for such a crackdown. The Good Food Institute, which advocates for plant-based alternatives, says the term "milk" should be permitted with modifiers for nondairy drinks.

Read more: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Soy-milk-may-soon-be-targeted-for-not-coming-13084885.php



I think 'milk' from goats is still milk.

I recall when I was a kid in the 1950's we had an elderly neighbor who raised a few goats and sold
"goat's milk fudge".
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Soy "milk" may soon be targeted for not coming from cow (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jul 2018 OP
Milk should be openly defined to come from any animal (Cow, goat, cat, etc.) Renew Deal Jul 2018 #1
You are talking about a nation that elected Donald Trump dbackjon Jul 2018 #6
It doesn't? Renew Deal Jul 2018 #24
The hardest part of getting christx30 Jul 2018 #25
As long as commercial milk's pumped full of hormones and antibiotics, sandensea Jul 2018 #2
What next? They'll come after processed cheese product? IronLionZion Jul 2018 #3
"What next? They'll come after processed cheese product?" BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #23
They should call it a yellow mess of chemicals IronLionZion Jul 2018 #38
That's why I think it will take some time to come up with revised labeling BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #40
I was in Trader Joe's today crazycatlady Jul 2018 #61
Yeah BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #63
Which is stupid in ways you don't realize jmowreader Jul 2018 #30
I think that's why the FDA rejected it IronLionZion Jul 2018 #39
I love almond and soy milk workinclasszero Jul 2018 #4
OK with me, as long as animal milk has a warning: "If you are NCjack Jul 2018 #5
LMAO!! It makes my sweet little daughter Codeine Jul 2018 #19
well that would clear up the confusion for all those people who think soybeans have nipples. unblock Jul 2018 #7
Owh, my bones are so brittle... FSogol Jul 2018 #8
vitamin K bdtrppr6 Jul 2018 #55
I thought the GOP didn't like regulation. vsrazdem Jul 2018 #9
For a long time I have wondered why they call plant and almond juice milk. Cold War Spook Jul 2018 #10
It's similar to milk of magnesia Blues Heron Jul 2018 #12
You got me. Cold War Spook Jul 2018 #18
House cats seem to like cow's milk and cream. n/t FSogol Jul 2018 #13
It gives many of them diarrhea unc70 Jul 2018 #20
But are an example of a mammal drinking the milk of another mammal like the FSogol Jul 2018 #21
My labs love milk dbackjon Jul 2018 #27
Lactose is the issue,I think Rorey Jul 2018 #28
It's an emulsion of oils/fats in water, with sugars and minerals -- just like any milk. eppur_se_muova Jul 2018 #29
Soy colloid? lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #33
I make my own almond milk or oat milk it is made from mucifer Jul 2018 #51
This kind of stupid crap is why funding for the FDA is going to get whacked The Mouth Jul 2018 #11
what about liebfraumilch Blues Heron Jul 2018 #14
LOL! Coventina Jul 2018 #46
Dairy industry influenced, no doubt. C Moon Jul 2018 #15
here's a solution.... Javaman Jul 2018 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Javaman Jul 2018 #17
They need to rewrite Macbeth too... FSogol Jul 2018 #22
Just call it Milk Substitute OnlinePoker Jul 2018 #26
Oh noes ! What about Rock Milk ? eppur_se_muova Jul 2018 #31
OK, let them use the term "milsch" rock Jul 2018 #32
I was born during the latter stages of the oleo-margarine wars in the 40s(?) rurallib Jul 2018 #34
"How has that worked out?" BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #64
So tedious. yewberry Jul 2018 #35
Or the late Harvey Milk (n/t) 24601 Jul 2018 #62
Up here you can't call something ice cream unless it has a certain percentage of butter fat. EllieBC Jul 2018 #36
As a kid in the 1950's ... left-of-center2012 Jul 2018 #42
I think they call it light ice cream now jmowreader Jul 2018 #49
It's juice. DiverDave Jul 2018 #37
I agree. Owl Jul 2018 #44
Meh, they're just claim free speech and keep labeling it accordingly. NT. NutmegYankee Jul 2018 #41
I call my soy milk 'smilk'. Sounds like the cow industry Glimmer of Hope Jul 2018 #43
What about coconut milk Raine Jul 2018 #45
Seems reasonable oberliner Jul 2018 #47
That's interesting jcgoldie Jul 2018 #48
The goat, sheep and camel dairies are now scratching their heads jmowreader Jul 2018 #50
Seriously? Lewis Black called it like 10 years ago! Initech Jul 2018 #52
I agree with this - call it mylk or something else but it's not milk. Justice Jul 2018 #53
The clue is in the word "soy." That means it comes from soy, not cows. Doodley Jul 2018 #54
Poor San Francisco DFW Jul 2018 #56
The future is dairy- and meat-free. Codeine Jul 2018 #57
hard to believe this is and issue Steerpike Jul 2018 #58
Can peanut butter still be called butter? Snellius Jul 2018 #59
The factory farm dairy industry needs to die. hunter Jul 2018 #60

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
1. Milk should be openly defined to come from any animal (Cow, goat, cat, etc.)
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:22 AM
Jul 2018

I don't have an issue with extending it to Soy milk. I don't think it confuses people.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
6. You are talking about a nation that elected Donald Trump
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:45 AM
Jul 2018

And 30% think Chocolate Milk comes from brown cows.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
3. What next? They'll come after processed cheese product?
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:28 AM
Jul 2018

Much of the world has had soybean or nut milks for some time. It can be made at home with a blender. What else would they call such a drink?

Although they've also been trying to rename high fructose corn syrup to "corn sugar".

BumRushDaShow

(128,905 posts)
23. "What next? They'll come after processed cheese product?"
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:31 PM
Jul 2018

That's why it's called "cheese product" versus "cheese" (e.g., stuff like Velveeta, etc). There are definitions and standards for what is considered "cheese" that have been established in the U.S. and the same goes for "milk" too.

This may impact "coconut milk" as well. Any of the "nut milks" may end up having some additional label be required to indicate that they are "non-dairy" (similar to the "non dairy creamers" which are not "cream", e.g., Coffeemate, etc), with "dairy" being restricted to animal (mammal) "milk" alone.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
38. They should call it a yellow mess of chemicals
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:40 PM
Jul 2018


I could see adding "nondairy" to the names for nut milks. But there's really not any better word than milk to describe almond or soy or coconut milk, which have existed for decades as natural products and are not necessarily an artificial chemical concoction like cheese product.

BumRushDaShow

(128,905 posts)
40. That's why I think it will take some time to come up with revised labeling
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:14 PM
Jul 2018

They will usually work out drafts and release to the Federal Register for comments and that is when it will pretty much bog down as you might imagine how many comments will be submitted...

I think because something like "coconut milk" is so known by that term globally and historically (and you also now have a separate product being marketed as "coconut water", which has become an "in thing" ), they will probably need to leave that name and grandfather it in, but require addition of something that references it as "non-dairy".

It's just like what happened years ago with "juice". There are standards for what constitutes "fruit juice" and the percentage of liquid in the product actually sourced from fruit (vs whether most of the actual juice from a fruit is diluted with water with added flavoring and/or comes "from concentrate" ). Thus the "fruit juice" versus "fruit drink" labels. E.g., "Tang" that was marketed as if it were orange juice but is an orange-flavored "drink" (and starts out as a powder) vs 100% Florida orange juice, which is literally oranges smashed in a machine and the juice collected for bottling/packaging.

They may end up calling "Soy Milk" or "Almond Milk", "Soy Drink" and "Almond Drink".

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
61. I was in Trader Joe's today
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 09:17 PM
Jul 2018

I saw things like "soy beverage' on the shelf. This was not cold and nowhere near the dairy section.

BumRushDaShow

(128,905 posts)
63. Yeah
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:45 AM
Jul 2018

that's another term - "beverage". You do have "shelf-stable" dairy (cow's milk) that would not be cold either, so in some instances, it also has to do with how the product is processed and whether it contains any preservatives and/or special pasteurization/vacuum packing that would not require refrigeration of the product (at all or until opened).

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
30. Which is stupid in ways you don't realize
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:02 PM
Jul 2018

There already is a product called corn sugar. It comes in 50-pound bags.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
39. I think that's why the FDA rejected it
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 05:42 PM
Jul 2018

because it's also the name for dextrose used for making alcohol

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
4. I love almond and soy milk
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:29 AM
Jul 2018

Haven't bought any cows milk in decades.

Cheese, I'm guilty but no cows milk straight up.

Call it Almond/Soy juice whatever, I'll still be buying it.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
5. OK with me, as long as animal milk has a warning: "If you are
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:31 AM
Jul 2018

lactose intolerant, consumption of this product will give you the most stinking and painful diarrhea imaginable."

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
19. LMAO!! It makes my sweet little daughter
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:13 PM
Jul 2018

blow up the bathroom like a long-haul trucker. “Looks like grandpa has been sneaking you ice cream again. . .”

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
10. For a long time I have wondered why they call plant and almond juice milk.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:55 AM
Jul 2018

I'm not about to take it to the streets but just seems weird. On a little different subject, in normal times, does any other animal regularly drink the milk of a different species besides humans?

unc70

(6,113 posts)
20. It gives many of them diarrhea
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:16 PM
Jul 2018

Some seem to like it a lot, many cats have no interest in other milk.

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
21. But are an example of a mammal drinking the milk of another mammal like the
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:19 PM
Jul 2018

person I was responding to asked.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
27. My labs love milk
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:38 PM
Jul 2018

Of course, being labs, they basically love anything that their Dads are consuming

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
28. Lactose is the issue,I think
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:59 PM
Jul 2018

I have been giving a nursing cat lactose free milk and she hasn't seemed to have any problems.

eppur_se_muova

(36,261 posts)
29. It's an emulsion of oils/fats in water, with sugars and minerals -- just like any milk.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:02 PM
Jul 2018

Last edited Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Vegetable oils instead of animal fats, otherwise not that much different. "Juice" usually means a solution in water, not an oil or emulsion. (But don't forget the vital distinction between juice and cider ! )



Will we have to rename milkweed next ?

mucifer

(23,539 posts)
51. I make my own almond milk or oat milk it is made from
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:29 PM
Jul 2018

almonds or oats, a little salt, water, a little vanilla and a little maple syrup.

technically everything is made out of chemicals

Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
22. They need to rewrite Macbeth too...
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:22 PM
Jul 2018
Glamis thou art, and Cawdor, and shalt be
What thou art promis'd. Yet do I fear thy nature,
It is too full o' th' milk of human kindness
To catch the nearest way.

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
26. Just call it Milk Substitute
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 01:25 PM
Jul 2018

Almond Breeze doesn't even have the word milk on the carton. It says non-dairy beverage.

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
34. I was born during the latter stages of the oleo-margarine wars in the 40s(?)
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 02:47 PM
Jul 2018

at least I think it was still going on.

Oleo could not be colored yellow. To make it look more palatable you had to buy yellow coloring and mix it in to the oleo at home.
Maybe I only know anything about this because my Dad was a Poobah at the local dairy. We only had butter and that usually came with a reminder how bad oleo was.

The dairy industry was going to stop that damned oleo from taking over butter's spot.
How has that worked out?

I haven't had animal milk nor butter for most of my adult life.

BumRushDaShow

(128,905 posts)
64. "How has that worked out?"
Fri Jul 20, 2018, 07:03 AM
Jul 2018

"Margarine" = "Trans-fats" = "bad".

So the margarine industry was eventually pummeled and had to reformulate.

And yes - the oleo thing was due to WW2 rationing (per my parents who were teens/young adults in the '40s when that happened) but then later got a push through the '50s - '70s due to increases in coronary disease from "bad fats", where margarine was supposed to help reduce that issue. Eventually it was found that this cause/effect hypothesis wasn't really correct either, where the "substitute" made things worse. Anyway....



yewberry

(6,530 posts)
35. So tedious.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 03:47 PM
Jul 2018

Milk can't only be used to refer to cow milk. That's just stupid.

Breast milk
Goat milk
Sheep milk
(insert literally any mammal)'s milk
Milkweed
Milk of magnesia
Coconut milk

No one is confusing cow milk with any of the above.

EllieBC

(3,014 posts)
36. Up here you can't call something ice cream unless it has a certain percentage of butter fat.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 04:40 PM
Jul 2018

Everything else must be labeled "frozen dessert".

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
42. As a kid in the 1950's ...
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jul 2018

I recall "ice milk" as a frozen dessert similar to ice cream.
Haven't seen it in years.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
48. That's interesting
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:43 PM
Jul 2018

I spend a couple hours a day "milking" goats. I always thought I was getting "milk". Who knew?

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
50. The goat, sheep and camel dairies are now scratching their heads
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:02 PM
Jul 2018

Better idea: label animal origin milk with the name of the animal. Label plant origin milk “beverage” with the plant name.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
57. The future is dairy- and meat-free.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 08:12 AM
Jul 2018

You’re watching the desperate flailings of a dairy industry that sees the writing on the wall.

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hunter

(38,311 posts)
60. The factory farm dairy industry needs to die.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:50 AM
Jul 2018

If I was doing it over again I'd have raised my kids without cow milk.

Most of the cow milk industry mistreats animals, severely damages the environment, and their advertising is lies.

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