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ailsagirl

(22,893 posts)
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:23 PM Jul 2018

From the Start, Trump Has Muddied a Clear Message: Putin Interfered

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.

The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.

Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing. But ever since, Mr. Trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings that he received on Jan. 6, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed.

The shifting narrative underscores the degree to which Mr. Trump regularly picks and chooses intelligence to suit his political purposes. That has never been more clear than this week.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html

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From the Start, Trump Has Muddied a Clear Message: Putin Interfered (Original Post) ailsagirl Jul 2018 OP
Can we say a LYING, ILLIGITIMATE President? ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2018 #1
It sure sounds like it!!! ailsagirl Jul 2018 #2
Add TRAITOR and TREASON and ENEMY OF THE STATE Pachamama Jul 2018 #17
someone with a very high level of clearance leaked this story lapfog_1 Jul 2018 #3
This nytimes headline is weak. riversedge Jul 2018 #4
Exactly. sandensea Jul 2018 #10
Yes it is. Like HIM, they have muddled a simple headline: He's Lying. nt jrthin Jul 2018 #26
Sure. It's like getting $10 million, being shown that it came from illicit sources, sandensea Jul 2018 #5
I think that's too kind PSPS Jul 2018 #13
You're right. sandensea Jul 2018 #14
Plus, putin is dangling the trump moscow tower in front of him PSPS Jul 2018 #18
How do you say Bingo in Russian! sandensea Jul 2018 #19
On Lawrence O'Donnell just now Frank Figliuzzi just spelled out Stonepounder Jul 2018 #6
I heard about it on Lawrence and so I posted it right away ailsagirl Jul 2018 #7
Not a damn thing is going to happen. That is the depressing part of all this. Stonepounder Jul 2018 #8
Nuh uh, things are approaching critical mass as pieces finally come together. nt greyl Jul 2018 #20
He has gone WAY beyond the limits-- everything has a breaking point ailsagirl Jul 2018 #25
Watching This On Lawrence. Game, Set, Match, TREASON!!! DoctorJoJo Jul 2018 #9
The traitor is being exposed more and more dalton99a Jul 2018 #11
Treason. What else to call it? Conspiracy against the United States of America? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #12
Collusion .... Grassy Knoll Jul 2018 #15
Treason Botany Jul 2018 #16
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #21
#PutinWinsAgain and the GOP is now #ThePartyOfPutin BadGimp Jul 2018 #22
Unlocking - after discussion with other hosts, it seems I was mistaken muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #23
Kick (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #24
K & R Julian Englis Jul 2018 #27
K & R. Stuart G Jul 2018 #28

lapfog_1

(29,198 posts)
3. someone with a very high level of clearance leaked this story
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:30 PM
Jul 2018

I hope the sources are either already dead or can get out safely.

Don't get me wrong... the circumstances of the Helsinki summit mandated this patriotic act to out the Treason of DJT... but there is no way this gets out without high level leaks.

Hats off... but we lost some assets today... but it was time.

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
10. Exactly.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:43 PM
Jul 2018

It should read something like: Trump shown proof of 2016 Russian interference two weeks before inaugural

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
5. Sure. It's like getting $10 million, being shown that it came from illicit sources,
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:37 PM
Jul 2018

but then being allowed to keep it - with the implicit promise from the source that if you play along, another $10 million would come your way in 2020.

It would be hard not to let one's conflict of interest get in the way.

PSPS

(13,587 posts)
13. I think that's too kind
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:49 PM
Jul 2018

The only thing that's kept the trump organization afloat is russian mob/kremlin money. It's responsible, in one way or another, for most of the real estate transactions and the payoffs for his henchmen like cohen. So, in short, they are the trump organization's best customer. And, without it, the trump organization would dissolve. Hence, trump's obsequious behavior toward putin and russia. If he alienates them, there goes his money. Also, that's why he's never released his tax returns.

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
14. You're right.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:57 PM
Jul 2018

In Cheeto's case, it's hundreds of millions in Russian money just do far - and no doubt hundreds of millions more if he's a good boy.

And while lying non-stop and committing treason in the meantime of course.

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
19. How do you say Bingo in Russian!
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 12:17 AM
Jul 2018

Forgot all about that particular little emolument.

Then there was the one in Buenos Aires that fell through because, apparently, Cheeto didn't want to bribe Argentina's new right-wing president, Macri.

Argentina was small potatoes compared to Russia, no doubt.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
6. On Lawrence O'Donnell just now Frank Figliuzzi just spelled out
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:38 PM
Jul 2018

that Trump is totally and obviously guilty of being an "Accessory After the Fact" to a felony!

What more do you need for High Crimes and Misdemeanors??

From Wex Legal Dictionary (which sounds almost exactly like what Figliuzzi said:

Someone who assists another 1) who has committed a felony, 2) after the person has committed the felony, 3) with knowledge that the person committed the felony, and 4) with the intent to help the person avoid arrest or punishment. An accessory after the fact may be held liable for, inter alia, obstruction of justice.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/accessory_after_the_fact

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
8. Not a damn thing is going to happen. That is the depressing part of all this.
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 10:42 PM
Jul 2018

Something else will come along and .... oh look a butterfly.

Botany

(70,483 posts)
16. Treason
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 11:39 PM
Jul 2018

Was this some of the information that McConnell knew and did not
let the American people see?

Guillotine capital hill .... let Mitch walk up first.

"President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election."
So who in America helped in these crimes?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
23. Unlocking - after discussion with other hosts, it seems I was mistaken
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:01 AM
Jul 2018

Last edited Thu Jul 19, 2018, 10:00 AM - Edit history (1)

in thinking that it was already known that Trump had been told Putin was responsible. With that apparently being 'new', I can see why this is 'news'. Sorry for the locked intermission.

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