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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 01:57 PM Jul 2018

Nielsen: 'I Haven't Seen Evidence' That Russians Hacked Election To Help Trump

Source: Talking Points Memo



By Kate Riga | July 19, 2018 12:42 pm

In a remarkable break with U.S. intelligence agencies, DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen insisted Thursday that there was no evidence that Russia meddled in the 2016 U.S. election with the express purpose of helping then-candidate Donald Trump win.

At first, Nielsen distinguished between efforts targeted at election infrastructure in the U.S. and other attempts to meddle. “I haven’t seen any evidence that the attempts to interfere in our election infrastructure was to favor a particular political party,” she said at the Aspen Institute’s Security Forum in Colorado. “I think what we’ve seen on the foreign influence side is they were attempting to intervene and cause chaos on both sides.”

She also mentioned that Russia continued to sow discord after Trump’s election, citing activity related to the white nationalist rally and attack on counter-protesters in Charlottesville, after which Trump blamed “both sides.”

When pushed about intelligence agencies’ findings—in three separate assessments from the intelligence community, Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee—that the Russians definitively did hack the election to help Trump win, Nielsen danced around the issue and would not name Trump himself.



Read more: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nielsen-i-havent-seen-evidence-that-russians-hacked-election-to-help-trump

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Nielsen: 'I Haven't Seen Evidence' That Russians Hacked Election To Help Trump (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2018 OP
All agencies concluded he did Nero Mero Jul 2018 #1
I'm posting a link to the Primary Source - Intelligence Community Assessment 2017-010 24601 Jul 2018 #25
Party first, country last... SWBTATTReg Jul 2018 #2
Helsinki: dalton99a Jul 2018 #3
"Yes I did want Trump to win and yes I did direct officials to help him." lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #19
Ye gods. madamesilverspurs Jul 2018 #4
She's plenty smart -- but what she can't hide is her cruelty RandomAccess Jul 2018 #24
yeh, and she didn't see immigrant children in cages either dweller Jul 2018 #5
Liar! JDC Jul 2018 #6
Frog walk her to jail. If she hasn't seen any- dereliction of duty. Otherwise out and out treason. mpcamb Jul 2018 #28
Hey, Secretary Nielsen. Arkansas Granny Jul 2018 #7
Another Traitor dbackjon Jul 2018 #8
"Both sides" is cover for it was all anti-Hillary including some phony Bernie supporters. Admit it, bettyellen Jul 2018 #9
Read the IC reports then resign in disgrace you sycophantic piece of shit. PearliePoo2 Jul 2018 #10
She must be desperate to keep her job. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #11
I Haven't Seen Evidence Kirstjen Nielsen Has A Working Brain And Is Not A Russian Agent PaulX2 Jul 2018 #12
Traitor Marthe48 Jul 2018 #13
Yup, yup, yup! 2naSalit Jul 2018 #23
Get yr head out his lap Marthe48 Jul 2018 #14
What is she bucking for, to be the fourth Mrs. Trump? Or Putin's next girlfriend? colorado_ufo Jul 2018 #15
That is cue for Assholes like Sean Hannity and Mark Levin to talk about the whole thing being a hoax Le Gaucher Jul 2018 #16
What a coward matt819 Jul 2018 #17
Maybe she hasn't seen it because those true patriots in the ingelligence agencies knows kimbutgar Jul 2018 #18
Then she's either lying... LanternWaste Jul 2018 #20
It was in the news last Friday. Saguaro Jul 2018 #21
Mueller is saving the definitive evidence for the trial world wide wally Jul 2018 #22
Take off the Blindfold, Kirstjen! DarthDem Jul 2018 #26
#PutinsWinsAgain and the GOP is now The #PartyOfPutin BadGimp Jul 2018 #27
It is under your nose you idiot riversedge Jul 2018 #29
Well of course you won't have seen it ... area51 Jul 2018 #30

24601

(3,961 posts)
25. I'm posting a link to the Primary Source - Intelligence Community Assessment 2017-010
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 05:24 PM
Jul 2018
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

I've kept my paper copy for the last 18 months and note that the online version has not been changed.

A few things should be clarified. I'll quote the document verbatim and my comments will follow in brackets. The assessment is a government document with no copyright; therefore, there should be no fair-use limitation. Friday's indictments appear consistent with assessment of GRU involvement (pages ii & iii). The assessment is about 25 pages and is an easy read.


Scope (page i)

"This report includes an analytic assessment drafted and coordinated among The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and The National Security Agency (NSA), which draws on intelligence information collected and disseminated by those three agencies."

[It was misunderstood and reported widely that this was an unanimous assessment by the entire 17-member Intelligence Community. There was an additional non-intelligence assessment by DHS; however, it was not from either DHS' IC elements, their Office of Intelligence and Analysis or from Coast Guard Intelligence.]

"We did not make an assessment of the impact that Russian activities had on the outcome of the 2016 election. The US Intelligence Community is charged with monitoring and assessing the intentions, capabilities, and actions of foreign actors; it does not analyze US political processes or US public opinion."

[No additional comment]


Key Judgments (page ii)

"We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments."

"We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.

"Moscow’s approach evolved over the course of the campaign based on Russia’s understanding of the electoral prospects of the two main candidates. When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign began to focus more on undermining her future presidency."

"Further information has come to light since Election Day that, when combined with Russian behavior since early November 2016, increases our confidence in our assessments of Russian motivations and goals."

[I believe that NSA's differing confidence is why aspiring to help Trump was not included as Russian Goal in which the first judgment. NSA had moderate confidence, defined in Annex B on page 13 as credibly sourced and plausable. Information cutoff was 29 December 2017.] ]


Key Judgments (page iii)

"Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local electoral boards. DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying."

"We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes."

[No additional comment]


dalton99a

(81,475 posts)
3. Helsinki:
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 02:02 PM
Jul 2018
REPORTER (Jeff Mason from Reuters): President Putin, did you want President Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?

PUTIN: Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the US/Russia relationship back to normal.
 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
24. She's plenty smart -- but what she can't hide is her cruelty
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 04:52 PM
Jul 2018

I've been trying to figure out who she reminds me of from history, and I can't quite. But then I'm history-challenged, so there's that.

Possibly Eva Braun. Think if she'd been not a consort but an appointee. I don't think that's a perfect analogy, but --- like I said, I'm coming up empty with the right one.

One thing for sure: SHE IS COMPLICIT as hell in the crimes against humanity of the Trump administration at the border.

mpcamb

(2,870 posts)
28. Frog walk her to jail. If she hasn't seen any- dereliction of duty. Otherwise out and out treason.
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 07:32 PM
Jul 2018
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. "Both sides" is cover for it was all anti-Hillary including some phony Bernie supporters. Admit it,
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 02:17 PM
Jul 2018

MSM... and admit you were taken in by these phonies.

 

PaulX2

(2,032 posts)
12. I Haven't Seen Evidence Kirstjen Nielsen Has A Working Brain And Is Not A Russian Agent
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 02:26 PM
Jul 2018

Speaking of evidence.

colorado_ufo

(5,733 posts)
15. What is she bucking for, to be the fourth Mrs. Trump? Or Putin's next girlfriend?
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 02:46 PM
Jul 2018

She's not smart enough to be considered for any government position higher than what she has.

If she won't believe her lyin' eyes, maybe she will believe Putin - he admitted it on international television!

And she won't acknowledge her contribution to putting little children in cages, separated from parents abruptly, with the barest minimal treatment and care.

Loathsome woman.



 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
16. That is cue for Assholes like Sean Hannity and Mark Levin to talk about the whole thing being a hoax
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 02:49 PM
Jul 2018

matt819

(10,749 posts)
17. What a coward
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 02:56 PM
Jul 2018

"I haven't seen evidence" is not an answer. Just because you haven't seen the evidence doesn't mean that it's not true.

And if you've seen the evidence and you are saying this, you are a liar.

And if you've seen the evidence but don't believe it, you're a fool.


kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
18. Maybe she hasn't seen it because those true patriots in the ingelligence agencies knows
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 03:02 PM
Jul 2018

She is a Twitler stooge who will run to him and Nunes and show them what they have. I think she is purposely being kept out the loop.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. Then she's either lying...
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 03:06 PM
Jul 2018

or consciously ignoring that which exists and in doing so, miserably failing the duties and obligations of her position.

world wide wally

(21,742 posts)
22. Mueller is saving the definitive evidence for the trial
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 03:49 PM
Jul 2018

Till then, you have to use your brain just a little bit

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