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Judi Lynn

(160,452 posts)
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 05:52 AM Jul 2018

Lawmakers try to stop the spread of 3D guns

Source: Agence France-Presse


By AFP
Published : Jul 29, 2018 - 17:11 Updated : Jul 29, 2018 - 17:26

WASHINGTON -- Dozens of US legislators are demanding that the Trump administration explain a recent agreement to allow the free distribution of plans for using 3D printers to make plastic handguns that will be easy to hide and almost impossible to control.

After a lengthy legal battle, the government reached agreement last month with Cody Wilson, a militant gun rights advocate from Texas. He successfully argued that the US Constitution‘s Second Amendment, which guarantees the right to private gun ownership, should extend to a person’s right to make guns at home -- uncontrolled by authorities, since they will bear no serial number.

Dozens of Democrats in both the US House of Representatives and the Senate have decried the settlement and are demanding an explanation from the President Donald Trump’s administration, which has been extremely supportive of gun owners’ rights.

The agreement between the State Department, which controls the exportation of American arms, and Wilson‘s Defense Distributed group was reached on June 29.



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Lawmakers try to stop the spread of 3D guns (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jul 2018 OP
August 1 2018: "the age of the downloadable gun formally begins." ancianita Jul 2018 #1
Unfortunately, there is no way to stop this. docgee Jul 2018 #2
Naturally, dozens of American law makers are against this amcgrath Jul 2018 #3
Oh, great! Just what we need. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #4
And not just throw-away guns, guns that can pass through a metal detector Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2018 #13
It's been legal to make guns at home for generations NickB79 Jul 2018 #5
Why is the first thing they think of for using this tecnology, guns? Bayard Jul 2018 #6
To be fair, the original idea was rapid prototyping and replacement parts. forgotmylogin Jul 2018 #11
Good point. A few years ago there were news pieces on 3D houses appalachiablue Jul 2018 #16
The government is in a bind. Plans are information, and information is speech. NutmegYankee Jul 2018 #7
Indeed, it's much like Abbie Hoffman's printing of "Steal This Book".. EX500rider Jul 2018 #8
And it will be governed similar in law - legal to read, not fully legal to do NutmegYankee Jul 2018 #9
Kinda like ,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2018 #10
interesting bind the government is in over this............ Takket Jul 2018 #12
This will be lucrative for gun makers hack89 Jul 2018 #19
You can still make 2D guns too. Kablooie Jul 2018 #14
The "Guns for Dangerous Felons" Program! moondust Jul 2018 #15
What exactly changed recently that makes this more of a concern than it was before? xor Jul 2018 #17
re: "...almost impossible to control." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2018 #18
toothpaste? get back in your tube, dammit! 0rganism Jul 2018 #20

ancianita

(35,950 posts)
1. August 1 2018: "the age of the downloadable gun formally begins."
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 06:43 AM
Jul 2018
Wilson and Defense Distributed can publish plans, files and 3-D drawings in any form and exempts them from the export restrictions. The government also agreed to pay almost $40,000 of Wilson's legal fees and to refund some registration fees.


Files from the Defense Distributed website already have been downloaded a million times.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/19/us/3d-printed-gun-settlement-trnd/index.html

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Wilson and Defense Distributed can publish plans, files and 3-D drawings in any form and exempts them from the export restrictions. The government also agreed to pay almost $40,000 of Wilson's legal fees ...


http://freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/wikiweapons_and_printing_3d_guns_its_just_stalking_horse_whats_come/

The files are out there forever. Now the fight is over who will control 3D printer patents and markets.

docgee

(870 posts)
2. Unfortunately, there is no way to stop this.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:35 AM
Jul 2018

Unless the government thinks it can start controlling and censoring information.

amcgrath

(397 posts)
3. Naturally, dozens of American law makers are against this
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:07 AM
Jul 2018

The NRA is a lobby group for the people who make guns. Downloadable guns will hurt their sales. I'm sure those 'dozens of law makers' have all taken some pretty furious calls from their donors

pazzyanne

(6,544 posts)
4. Oh, great! Just what we need.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:50 AM
Jul 2018

An unlimited supply of throw away guns that can't be traced. The wild west was never like this.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
13. And not just throw-away guns, guns that can pass through a metal detector
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 05:35 PM
Jul 2018

Ever see the film Line Of Fire? The plastic gun John Malkovich brings into the presidential banquet is now made easy.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
5. It's been legal to make guns at home for generations
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:19 AM
Jul 2018

The only restriction being you can't make them for sale, only personal use.

Mr. Wilson's argument was not based primarily on 2nd Amendment cases from what I've read, but 1st Amendment ones, because he was arguing for the right to disseminate CAD files online, not actual firearms.

Bayard

(22,011 posts)
6. Why is the first thing they think of for using this tecnology, guns?
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 11:18 AM
Jul 2018

How about something useful, like houses for the poor?

forgotmylogin

(7,521 posts)
11. To be fair, the original idea was rapid prototyping and replacement parts.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 02:22 PM
Jul 2018

If the plastic latch doo-dad that makes your vacuum work breaks, you just create a new one with a printer and the template the company provides instead of them needing to keep them stocked in a warehouse and send them out to you. Need a part for an obsolete machine that you still use? Theoretically, a cad-design of it could allow you to recreate the part with a 3D printer.

I believe they want to custom print replacement bones, like hip joints. I've even read about how theoretically they may eventually be able to bio-print small replacement organs - like a kidney - using stem cells...and...organ goo? (It's theoretical!)

appalachiablue

(41,103 posts)
16. Good point. A few years ago there were news pieces on 3D houses
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:03 PM
Jul 2018

for affordable and low income housing but I haven't seen any lately.

Gunz!!

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
7. The government is in a bind. Plans are information, and information is speech.
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 11:55 AM
Jul 2018

Banning the distribution of the plan files (Prior Restraint) was not a winnable case for the government.

EX500rider

(10,810 posts)
8. Indeed, it's much like Abbie Hoffman's printing of "Steal This Book"..
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 12:11 PM
Jul 2018

(or "The Anarchist Cookbook" )....which had directions on making homemade bombs among other things....but was protected by the 1st Amendment.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
9. And it will be governed similar in law - legal to read, not fully legal to do
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 12:17 PM
Jul 2018

I say not fully legal because there are separate laws against making undetectable (by metal detector) guns, which was why the plaintiff in this case had to add metal to the handle. The firing pin nail was probably too small for most detectors.

Takket

(21,529 posts)
12. interesting bind the government is in over this............
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 03:03 PM
Jul 2018

you would think the ban is a slam dunk.

Dems don't want more weapons

and rethugs live to defend the NRA, which defends gun manufacturers, who don't want people making guns for free.

But now their precious 2A and the 1A are butting up against the NRA's sales... so what will become of this?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
19. This will be lucrative for gun makers
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 08:29 AM
Jul 2018

It will be a very long time before decent guns can be printed in significant numbers so they are not concerned about that. But the market for accessories will explode. Gun makers will capitalize on the owners desires to customize their weapons to sell plans over the internet. And because they are not guns they will not be regulate.

moondust

(19,963 posts)
15. The "Guns for Dangerous Felons" Program!
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 06:54 PM
Jul 2018

Guns for kids!

Guns for zombies!

Guns for everybody who can press the PRINT button!

Guns! Guns! Guns! Guns! Guns! Guns! Guns!

(RPGs, mortars, and tactical nukes coming soon!)

xor

(1,204 posts)
17. What exactly changed recently that makes this more of a concern than it was before?
Sun Jul 29, 2018, 08:56 PM
Jul 2018

3D printers and cheap CNC machines are legal and have been legal. The ability to download the plans that a 3D printer can use have been and will continue to be easily accessible to those who want them. Even if there was a way totally prevent people from getting these plans from others, that doesn't prevent them from drawing up their own models. It's easy enough to find information on how firearms work. A bit of research and tinkering will eventually get someone a bullet firing device (a gun) that is mostly created with a 3D printer and/or a desktop CNC machine.

So, I don't see how this changes much of anything. If gangs, terrorists, and others doers of evil saw making 3D printed or CNC milled weapons was a viable strategy, then it would already be a major issue.

At most this might reduce the barrier of entry for some idiot to blow his fingers off. But hey, it's on them if they want to play stupid games. For anyone who is interested in gun control and/or just reducing gun violence in general, then this seems a huge distraction from the real issues.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,476 posts)
18. re: "...almost impossible to control."
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 07:39 AM
Jul 2018

I'm quite sure the other existing 300 million plus guns in the US are well controlled. Attempts to abridge First Amendment rights are noted.

Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.

0rganism

(23,931 posts)
20. toothpaste? get back in your tube, dammit!
Mon Jul 30, 2018, 12:40 PM
Jul 2018

should be able to regulate the sale of these firearms, and their manufacture on a sufficiently large scale, but some dipshit printing a dozen in his basement and giving them to all his friends as birthday presents -- probably not so easy

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