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UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 08:52 AM Jul 2018

Trump says collusion is not a crime as first Russia probe trial begins

Source: Reuters

Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that "collusion is not a crime" as the first trial in federal Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe begins.

"Collusion is not a crime, but that doesn’t matter because there was No Collusion (except by Crooked Hillary and the Democrats)!" Trump wrote on Twitter.

The trial of his former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, on tax and bank fraud charges was scheduled to begin in Virginia on Tuesday. Mueller is investigating whether Trump campaign officials worked with Moscow to try to sway the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

While collusion is not a technical legal charge, Mueller could bring conspiracy charges if he believes there was such work by campaign members with Russia.

Read more: https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1KL1R6



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Trump says collusion is not a crime as first Russia probe trial begins (Original Post) UpInArms Jul 2018 OP
lol, collusion, conspiracy, lying to federal officials...I guess its gonna be a surprise to him when beachbum bob Jul 2018 #1
So now we can expect Hannity and Pirro The Liberal Lion Jul 2018 #2
They already have Cosmocat Jul 2018 #15
Someone early in the game gave Trump the collusion idea. gordianot Jul 2018 #3
The Animal Farm strategy will not work because the LAW does not give a fuck about propaganda. Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #4
Court of Law beats Court of Public Opinion PubliusEnigma Jul 2018 #9
He isnt very smart to keep clinging to it though as it will not protect him in the end if he was cstanleytech Jul 2018 #6
I figure it is all he has got he was in perpetual financial trouble. gordianot Jul 2018 #10
So Trump is now admitting to what he and his people said never happened. Botany Jul 2018 #5
This is about Stage 4 of fighting a retreating battle, though it is stage 6 of Giuliani here Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #7
+1 dalton99a Jul 2018 #8
6 stages. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #11
now there is a meeting to plan the meeting scarytomcat Jul 2018 #17
What will be the talking point next Dopers_Greed Jul 2018 #12
...so just forget I brought 'collusion' up. Mc Mike Jul 2018 #13
Collusion is not a crime? Then why all the NO COLLUSION!!! tweets? Nitram Jul 2018 #14
this Manafort trial is not about collusion it is about money laundering scarytomcat Jul 2018 #16
Next Young Republicans Will Say Treason is Cool TomCADem Jul 2018 #18
Moving the goalposts all the time LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #19
Someone on the morning shows pointed out that "bank heist" isn't a crime either. Vinca Jul 2018 #20
Misleading headline... brooklynite Jul 2018 #21
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
1. lol, collusion, conspiracy, lying to federal officials...I guess its gonna be a surprise to him when
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 08:57 AM
Jul 2018

his kids are all charged, convicted and in prison

The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
2. So now we can expect Hannity and Pirro
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 09:05 AM
Jul 2018

to begin extolling the virtues of working with Putin to undermine the US election system. Get ready, in 3...2...1...

Cosmocat

(14,562 posts)
15. They already have
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:11 AM
Jul 2018

For a while now, maybe not those particular scumbags, but you hear/read enough republican people say "we should thank Russia for helping us to avoid Hillary at POTUS" to know their are conservative propagandists who are putting that thought into their heads ...

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
3. Someone early in the game gave Trump the collusion idea.
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 09:08 AM
Jul 2018

Donald would not be smart enough to think of it on his own. It might have been Russians, Roger Stone or maybe even Manafort. Change the name of the crime you are committing is clever. Angering entitled people be they voters or sponsors is not.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
6. He isnt very smart to keep clinging to it though as it will not protect him in the end if he was
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 09:21 AM
Jul 2018

engaged in a criminal conspiracy with the Russians to commit crimes such as hacking into the DNC or making a deal to try and ease if not abolish the sanctions in place on Russia in exchange for their help in committing said hacking.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
10. I figure it is all he has got he was in perpetual financial trouble.
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 09:29 AM
Jul 2018

Finding foreign sponsors willing to promote his image was his savior. You can only last so long with one third voter support especially when you anger the old domestic money.

Botany

(70,489 posts)
5. So Trump is now admitting to what he and his people said never happened.
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 09:17 AM
Jul 2018

How many times did Trump say that he and or his campaign had no contacts w/Russia?


1:06 Mike Pence, "Of course not why would the campaign have any contacts w/Russia?"


Trump knows that it is all coming out and he is trying to get ahead of the story.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
11. 6 stages.
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 09:33 AM
Jul 2018

1. What meeting?

2. Oh that meeting; nothing about the campaign. That was just about child adoptions in Russia. (Ironic considering Trump 2018 Child Abductions)

3. Oh, yeah, it was about Russian dirt on Hillary. But there was no collusion!

4. Maybe there was collusion. Collusion is not a crime!

5. Okay okay, collusion is conspiracy and a crime. But we did it for all the right reasons and you should thank us.

6. We don't talk about that part of history we are erasing and if you do we'll send you to a camp.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
17. now there is a meeting to plan the meeting
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 12:03 PM
Jul 2018

that never happened and no one knows about except it was about adoptions

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
12. What will be the talking point next
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 09:49 AM
Jul 2018

1. There was no collusion.
2. There was no collusion, but if there was, it's not a crime.
3. There was collusion, but it's not a crime.
4. There was collusion, but if it's a crime, the President is immune to prosecution.
5. ???

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
14. Collusion is not a crime? Then why all the NO COLLUSION!!! tweets?
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 10:54 AM
Jul 2018

"It's not a crime, and if it is, I didn't do it."

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
16. this Manafort trial is not about collusion it is about money laundering
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 11:57 AM
Jul 2018

and illegal campaign donations before Manafort became campaign chairman. This trial could implicate the republican party and it's fund raisers like M. Cohen and others.
We will get to the other crimes of dump's family after election such as conspiracy, election tampering, and lying to Congress and grand jury if they don't come clean.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
18. Next Young Republicans Will Say Treason is Cool
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 12:16 PM
Jul 2018

Dana Rohrabacher for example has said that everyone would do it and get Campaign support from Russia.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,169 posts)
19. Moving the goalposts all the time
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 01:45 PM
Jul 2018

They know now that Mueller does have enough evidence to bring charges of collusion. So they want to get ahead of it. Spread The next Big Lie over and over, repeat repeat repeat. collusion is not a crime collusion is not a crime collusion is not a crime...So that by the time Trump actually is charged with it, it will be a big "meh" for half the country.

Vinca

(50,260 posts)
20. Someone on the morning shows pointed out that "bank heist" isn't a crime either.
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 01:48 PM
Jul 2018

Bank robbery, however, is. Collusion is just another word for conspiracy and if it's a criminal conspiracy . . . oops!

brooklynite

(94,495 posts)
21. Misleading headline...
Tue Jul 31, 2018, 01:59 PM
Jul 2018

While the charges came about as a result of the Russia investigation, they are about bank fraud and have nothing to do with Russian hacking or collusion.

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