Judge: App Can't Hide Identity Of Woman Accused In Planning Charlottesville Rally

[Julian Englis]

Source: NPR

A federal judge in California has ruled that a confidential messaging app must release the identity of a user who is accused of helping plan violence at a white nationalist rally last year in Charlottesville, Va.

The unnamed woman is one of dozens of people accused of using the gamer chat app Discord to organize violence at that event. Lawyers representing victims of that violence have subpoenaed the app for more information on those conversations. But the woman, known as "Jane Doe" in the court case and "kristall.night" on the app, attempted to quash the subpoena.

Chief Magistrate Judge Joseph Spero of the Northern District of California has allowed the subpoena to move forward, ruling that the user's right to anonymity is outweighed by the importance of investigating a possible violent conspiracy. But the real name of the user should be revealed only to a small circle of people involved in the court case, Spero said.

Doe's lawyer, Marc Randazza, tells The Washington Post that he has not decided whether to appeal.

Read more: https://www.npr.org/2018/08/07/636308294/judge-app-cant-hide-identity-of-woman-accused-in-planning-charlottesville-rally

[Maine-i-acs]

1. Kristall Night .... really

The nerve.

[bettyellen]

2. I did nazi that one coming. Literal nazi lovers cowering in the shadows.

[Iggo]

9. They can't help it.

They gotta show it.

[0rganism]

15. nazis gonna nazi

looks like they were over-optimistic this time around

[pecosbob]

3. So you wanna be a social media revolutionary but remain anonymous?

Not gonna happen. The first amendment only protects you from government arrest for things you say. It says nothing about protecting you from being shunned by the community for being a racist a**hole. And by the way, inciting violence is a criminal act and is in no way considered protected speech.

[DemocracyMouse]

10. "Weaponizing" other humans, i.e. inciting violence, is terrorism. Period.

[cstanleytech]

13. Even the 1st does not provide bulletproof protection though.

After all people have been arrested and convicted for making verbal threats against whoever might be sitting in the White House in the past and they probably will be in the future.

[pecosbob]

14. You are, of course, correct

a cursory perusal of most county jail booking data would reveal that making terroristic threats is very common charge...at least in Texas, where over the last ten or twenty years or so it became a catch-all charge that police would file for lack of anything of more substance.

[JDC]

4. I'll bet both "Jane" and "Kristall" end up being a White Supremacist Male

[Julian Englis]

6. Yes, a maile with tiny hands and tinier privates, living in his parent's basement n/t

[BigmanPigman]

8. You're probably right.

I bet he is about as tough when cornered as the famous "crying nazi". I bet the same goes for whoever Q Anon is too.

[KansasKali]

5. Be a real shame if her name eventually got doxxed.

So sad. Womp womp.

[workinclasszero]

7. Her name..."kristall.night" means...

Kristallnacht

Kristallnacht (German pronunciation: lit. "Crystal Night" ) or Reichskristallnacht , also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, was a pogrom against Jews throughout Nazi Germany on 9–10 November 1938, carried out by SA paramilitary forces and German civilians. The German authorities looked on without intervening. The name Kristallnacht comes from the shards of broken glass that littered the streets after the windows of Jewish-owned stores, buildings, and synagogues were smashed.

Estimates of the number of fatalities caused by the pogrom have varied. Early reports estimated that 91 Jewish people were murdered during the attacks. Modern analysis of German scholarly sources by historians such as Richard J. Evans puts the number much higher. When deaths from post-arrest maltreatment and subsequent suicides are included, the death toll climbs into the hundreds. Additionally, 30,000 Jewish men were arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps.

Jewish homes, hospitals, and schools were ransacked, as the attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers. The rioters destroyed 267 synagogues throughout Germany, Austria, and the Sudetenland, and over 7,000 Jewish businesses were either destroyed or damaged. The British historian Martin Gilbert wrote that no event in the history of German Jews between 1933 and 1945 was so widely reported as it was happening, and the accounts from the foreign journalists working in Germany sent shock waves around the world. The British newspaper The Times wrote at the time: "No foreign propagandist bent upon blackening Germany before the world could outdo the tale of burnings and beatings, of blackguardly assaults on defenseless and innocent people, which disgraced that country yesterday.

The attacks were retaliation for the assassination of the Nazi German diplomat Ernst vom Rath by Herschel Grynszpan, a seventeen-year-old German-born Polish Jew living in Paris. Kristallnacht was followed by additional economic and political persecution of Jews, and it is viewed by historians as part of Nazi Germany's broader racial policy, and the beginning of the Final Solution and The Holocaust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

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I hate nazi pigs, bring this Jew hater to justice!!!

[riversedge]

12. whow. thanks. "Without complicit whites, Jews wouldn't be a problem" she wrote.......

I hope they find her identity and out her!!




The Discord app, which allows users to chat anonymously with one another, was allegedly used to organize the Charlottesville violence. (Last year, the app kicked a number of white supremacists off the platform, attempting to return to its original target audience of gamers.)

Based on leaked chats, plaintiffs in the Virginia case say, the user kristall.night advised other people to bring shields and a helmet but not weapons they were not experienced with, while recommending that flagpoles could be used as spears and clubs.

Court documents state that she also made racist statements such as "Without complicit whites, Jews wouldn't be a problem" and "I hate miscegenation so much more after actually talking to mixed race people about their identity."

The plaintiffs believe there are more chats that have not yet been leaked, specifically related to the planning and organizing of the rally, and have subpoenaed Discord for more chat records and user details.

[AZ8theist]

11. I fucking hate California Nazis...

[Nitram]

16. I hate them all. What makes California nazis special?

[AZ8theist]

17. nothing

it was paraphrasing a joke taken from the movie "The Blues Brothers".

[Nitram]

18. LOL!