Michael Moore Predicts 'President Romney' in November

[trailmonkee]

Source: cbs news

WASHINGTON (CBS WASHINGTON) –Filmmaker Michael Moore predicted that the influence of money in politics will propel Mitt Romney to a victory over President Barack Obama in this year’s election.

In an interview with Huffington Post Live on Thursday, Moore said he believes if the election were conducted in an “American Idol” format where “America could vote from their couches,” then Obama would win the election easily.

“Mitt Romney is going to raise more money than Barack Obama. That should guarantee his victory,” Moore told HuffPost host Josh Zepps. “I think people should start to practice the words ‘President Romney.’ To assume that the other side is just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition

Read more: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/30/michael-moore-predicts-president-romney-in-november/

[Safetykitten]

1. "completely misjudge the opposition..." Why that's a Democratic tradition. He should know that.

[nanabugg]

49. S, Move On will not be supporting Obama? Is that what he is implying?

[SoFlaJet]

2. OK, let's see, now who's predictions should I heed

Fat Mikey's or Nate Silver? Go eat another hamburger Mike and STFU, or better yet cast YOUR vote for Ron Paul, why he's almost as good as Nader

[MADem]

11. Yep--who needs that negative, contrarian shit? He should part with a million like Maher did.

Put that money where his big mouth is.

[FarPoint]

62. He seems to want to address Citizens United monies

but today that battle needs to go on the backburner. No time to fix that now. I like the idea of doing all we can by fighting with $$$$.

[MrMickeysMom]

12. Please...

Think about what you just said.

Moore has been speaking the truth and it shows in the films he's produced. I haven't always agreed with some of his methods, but when it comes to money, haven't you been seeing what the fascists have been doing lately?

Well..... HAVEN'T YOU?

[demwing]

26. + a bunch

thank you

[RetroGamer1971]

102. Yes, Romney might win. But that is no reason to quit.

Agreed! MONEY IS BEING USED TO RIG THIS ELECTION! However, we cannot change a Supreme Court ruling. We can't dismantle Fox News and it's affiliates. We can give until it hurts, and know without a doubt, that Obama is the best choice for the next four years. What is funny to me is that the folks who vote for Romney will get bit in the ass just as hard as the rest of us. It will just be a matter of time.

[MrMickeysMom]

110. What does this have to do with my post, RetroGamer?

Hmmmm?

[MrMickeysMom]

116. Yes, that's what I thought... crickets!

Just like some of the other low post commenters that somehow converged Saturday afternoon/evening!

Enjoy your stay!

[xtraxritical]

16. Lets not forget the Diebold voting machines.

Democrats try to win fair and square on the issues, Republicans can only win by being criminals.

[Chemical Bill]

122. I agree, it will be the massive election fraud, not overspending. n/t

[Hissyspit]

21. OK, let's see, who's opinion should give more credibility?

Michael Moore or an Internet poster who mocks weight issues like just another right-wing taking point?

I think I'll go with Michael Moore.

By the way, Silver has provided multiple predictions, the latest seeing scenarios where either candidate could win, with the one for Obama slightly more likely: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/30/base-turnout-strategy-may-be-too-narrow-for-romney/#more-33879

[SoFlaJet]

53. Nate Silver: Obama has a 71.6% Chance of Winning the Election

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/31/1126198/-Nate-Silver-Obama-has-a-71-6-Chance-of-Winning-the-Election

[Hissyspit]

72. Yes, I saw that graph. It's at the link I posted.

Nothing at either of the links about Michael Moore's or Nate Silver's weight.

I believe Moore's point is that with a late massive influx in money, those scenarios could change rapidly right before the election.

Nate's great, but he's been wrong about stuff, too.

[Scairp]

100. Of course he's got plenty of credibility

But I happen to think he is wrong. I don't believe that Governor Richy Rich and Father O'Ryan can win a majority vote, and frankly the attempts to suppress voters in this country who are presumed to be Democrats is not going over well at all. Nor the attempts to control the personal lives of women, or the outright lying about what they have and have not done. Or what Obama has or has not done. Or the previous (r) administration and how they royally fucked things up. I believe that enough people will be sufficiently upset and remember these things when they get to the polls. He has to be wrong, because if he isn't we are going to go live in Great Britain where my husband's family are. I couldn't bear it.

[totodeinhere]

37. Michael Moore is a good guy. There is no need to call him names. His weight is irrelevant.

If you disagree with his prediction, which would be a very legitimate thing to do, by all means say so but keep it civil.

[Civilization2]

67. Your comment shows your intellect,.

He is warning dems not to be so cocky,. and you show just how needed that is.

[LanternWaste]

84. I s'pose that when reduced to irrelevant and petulant attacks on a person's weight

I s'pose that when reduced to irrelevant and petulant attacks on a person's weight, it's for no other reason than the attacker lacks any substantive points to make (well, I guess there is another reason-- substantive points may be in that person's mind, however they're simply not literate enough to write them... either way, it seems to advertize your own character and vulgarity much more than any points you attempt to make)

[0rganism]

3. and he may well be right

I've been thinking for a long time, we focus far too much on how "Rmoney can't win because of this and that", and far too little on how "Rmoney intends to win in spite of this and that." The second Ryan stepped up for the VP slot, it became obvious that the Rmoney campaign will try to win by shenanigans rather than popularity or demographic appeal. Their strategy consists of suppressing the minority vote and dropping huge-ass money bombs, while keeping Rmoney as far away from making any specific measurable committments as possible.

After what happened in Wisconsin this spring, we'd be fools to believe it can't work.

[Raster]

4. Absolutely agree! The big money boys will do ANYTHING to put Mitt in the White House.

They will lie, cheat and steal.

[INdemo]

17. Only one sure way to overcome all the $$$

All the stay at home Democrats need to vote..We need to call and have those phone bank lists emailed to us so we can make sure Voter IDs are in place and they are registered..And we need to dig real deep and find something to give to the Obama campaign..$2,3,4,5 adds up

[Raster]

25. I have given several times already and tomorrow, I will donate again.

Rmoney would be as bad OR WORSE as bush*. Already we know many of the same neo-conjobs are already waiting in the wings to slither back into Washington.

And as a recovered mormon, THE LAST THING I WANT is a thinly-veiled theocracy run from Salt Lake City.

[bitchkitty]

5. We'd be fools to forget 2000.

And 2004, for that matter.

What's to stop them from stealing it again?

[trailmonkee]

6. even with Obama in office.... the Rich still rule... this country is tipped sideways...

[bitchkitty]

19. I know. Fuck, now I'm depressed. :( n/t

[lunasun]

34. yeah but with Rmoney Ryan it will sink

[blkmusclmachine]

71. +1:

The GOP's fact-free liefest in Tampa makes me think they've got some nasty sh!t up their sleeves for Nov. I'm still expecting the Gov to use the NDAA. No point in just leaving that laying around.


Operation Northwoods

[abelenkpe]

7. Cannot let guard down nt

[MADem]

8. Michael Moore can go fuck himself. I don't need to hear that kind of defeatist shit from

a VERY WEALTHY MAN who could get off his ass and DO something instead of portend gloom and doom. Put some of your Big Bucks into buying photo IDs for people in states where they are required. HELP instead of griping--useless tool.

There are those that do, and those that whine. Have some cheese with that, MM. And get the fuck out of the way, because clearly you are incapable of leading or following.

[Jamaal510]

13. This.

"I don't need to hear that kind of defeatist shit from a VERY WEALTHY MAN who could get off his ass and DO something instead of portend gloom and doom. Put some of your Big Bucks into buying photo IDs for people in states where they are required. HELP instead of griping--useless tool."

[Hissyspit]

23. Why?

The same old right-wing talking point attacks we've heard against him for a decade because he doesn't want people to be complacent about the devastation that is Citizens United?

Never mind, under the bus with him.

[MADem]

30. We are in the race of our fucking lives--Negative Nancies need not apply, and MM is acting like one.

He needs to get the vote out, not whine and cry and say "Get ready for President Romney."

He's an asshole. That's not the way to motivate people at all, so yeah, under the bus with him, and back over his ass a few times so he won't get up and keep crying how we're going to lose.

This has nothing to do with "right wing attacks." MM is a tool of the right wing when he tries to suppress the vote and tell people that it doesn't matter, Romney will win anyway. Fuck him and the Cadillac he rode in on.

[totodeinhere]

40. I certainly did not read what you said into MM's comments.

"MM is a tool of the right wing when he tries to suppress the vote and tell people that it doesn't matter, Romney will win anyway." He is not trying to suppress the vote. Quite the opposite. He has spoken out often against GOP voter suppression tactics. And to call him a "tool of the right wing" is ridiculous. He has been fighting the right wing all of his adult life.

[MADem]

41. Well I did. Saying "Romney will win" is not motivating the base. Or ANYONE.

He's not "fighting"... he's telling people to give up. Don't vote. Fuck it. They have more money so Obama can't win.

Of course, if the GOP takes the White House, that's good for HIS business and HIS bottom line.

Fuck MM. He can just get out of the way since he doesn't know how to lead or follow. That kind of cheesy whining is not required nor desired.

[totodeinhere]

85. I reread MM's comments.

Nowhere does he tell people to give up or don't vote. Those are your words, not his.

[MADem]

88. When he says "Romney will win" he is saying "You can wipe your ass on your vote, loser--don't even

BOTHER."

Screw MM and his stupid little ballcap. He can go dance off with his buddy Ralph Nader and they can go spoil someone else's fun--he's not getting a second of my time or attention. He's a fucking loser-scold. He hauled his ass up and jumped that shark...he's irrelevant.

[Hissyspit]

92. You are being unnecessarily vilifying.

Attitudes and unnecessary aspersion like that against someone who, despite his flaws, has done many important things for the left, are actually what can turn many people off from involvment in politics and voting. Here's MM in the latest edition of Rolling Stone:

What are your thoughts on the presidential race?

I'm sure right about now Republicans are thinking, "Why the hell did we ever give women the vote?!" One of my Twitter followers wrote on my feed today. "In November, the Republicans are going to find out wha a real pussy riot is." When they writethe history of this election, it might come down to Todd Akin and these last few days. The gap between McCain and Obama on the women's vote was something like 14 percent. I wouldn't be surprised it if doubled this year. And that's good because Obama needs women to replace young voters.

You don't think young people will come out?

Enthusiasm is down because the person they voted for didn't come out swinging. He played "Kumbaya." I don't understand what part of "10 million vote mandate" he didn't understand. That's why I think this job is not going to be decided by independents. It's going to be about who does the best job of physically getting people out. If you could do an American Idol poll, where nobody had to get off the couch, Obama would probably still win. But that's not how we vote.

After a summer of the Romney campaign making a series of mistakes, is there a danger of over-confidence on the part of Obama supporters?

Yes. Republicans are relentless and they're smart, too - they're not all dumb - and on Election Day, they'll be up at five in the morning. The only way our side will see five in the morning is if we've stayed up all night partying. So I say don't get too cocky about Obama winning. You only have to look at what happened in Wisconsin a few months ago (when Republican Gov. Scott Walker staved off a recall). Everyone thought that was going to go the good way, and the bad guys won. The bad guys are very good at winning.

"Michael Moore is irrelevent." "He wears a ball cap." Just silly stuff.

[MADem]

105. Michael Moore is a Green Party voter who is madly in love with Ralph Nader. He IS irrelevant in my

world.

Check the name of this site--it's not Green Party Underground. It's not Michael Moore Is Soooo Wonderful Underground. It's Democratic Underground, and the stated GOAL here is to elect more Democrats to local, state and national office.

This is not a secret, you know--it's in the TOS.

So fuck Michael Moore. I don't give a shit what he has to say. When he steps up like that reprobate Bill Maher did, and puts a million of his lucre -- which he got from the wallets of Democrats, mostly-- on the table, then I'll listen to him. Until then, he is just a loudmouth doom-and-gloom whiner looking for self-aggrandizing publicity in a beat up ball cap. And if you think that's silly, whoop-de-doo for you. I've got some GOTV work to do. I have no time for people who whine, cry and say "Waaaaaaah, the Democrats are going to LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE."

Fuck Michael Moore, and his good buddy Ralph Nader. And fuck Ron Paul, too, so long as we're handing out wishes.

[Hissyspit]

108. Yes, I know that's all you have. You keep repeating it.

[MADem]

111. It's quite enough. He's not a Democrat and he doesn't wish Democrats well.

So he can stuff it--he's a whining, naysaying scold. A spoiler wanna-be. Yet again.

It's all about the money with that guy. He'll make more if Romney gets in.

[Hissyspit]

93. It's not about what he said. It's about trashing anyone who does not toe the party line. Period.

It's an ugly phenomenon.

[MADem]

106. No, it isn't. It IS about the TOS.

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where were a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.

Posts that tout and defend Michael Moore saying that Romney is going to win are bashing, trashing,and undermining Democrats, and depressing turnout.


So fuck Michael Moore.

[cyclezealot]

47. Money changed Wisconsin.

Moore's warning was just that. Get busy or loose. it does us not one bit of good to not face reality.

[josejimenez]

28. Well Said

That is an excellent suggestion. He should concentrate on my people who deserve a say for everything they do.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

36. Moore seems hell-bent on depressing turnout on the left

Remember when he went on Olbermann's show and cited some rightwing crackpot's article to back up his tinfoil claims that Obama was supposedly directing the crackdown on the Occupy protesters?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/michael-moore-goes-the-full-wingnut-on-president-obama-over-occupy-crackdown

Moore is out for himself, his ego and his brand.

[MADem]

39. As another DUer postulated, he makes more money when he's fighting Republicans.

There's no dough for him in having Dems in power.

I think MM has jumped Ye Olde Shark.

[KurtNYC]

119. so your theory is that MM is a total sell out

who doesn't believe what he put across in:

Roger and Me
Fahrenheit 911
Bowling for Columbine, and
Sicko

??

[MADem]

125. He's worth millions by schlepping that shit to his acolytes--it's how he makes his MONEY.

One estimate says he's sitting on FIFTY million--that's not chickenfeed.

He's not giving his money to charity--he's living in an enormous waterfront mansion and sitting on his dough.

He's not a champion for anyone but Michael Moore. His audience is people who like to rage against the machine--he wears the Everyman costume of jeans, a schlep shirt, a beat up old jacket and a ballcap that makes people believe he's "one of them." But he's not -- and he hasn't been since he made his first three million off "Roger and Me."

He is a wealthy, wealthy man who lives very well and has a massive bank account and a massive home. Of course he wants Romney to win--he'll have to pay more taxes otherwise, and a Romney presidency is GREAT for his bottom line....he can do another documentary that will appeal to people who make less than fifty grand a year, who still believe this multi millionaire is just like them.

Feh. He can sit down and shut up. I don't want to hear his Negative Nancy whining and griping. I have work to do, electing Democrats to Congress and getting Obama a 2nd term. He might try it sometime instead of shooting off his big mouth.

[SoFlaJet]

50. and never forget that he was one of Ralph Nader's

biggest (ha-I made a punny) and highest profiled supporters back in 2000. It was him and all of his self righteous, both parties are wrong bullshit that helped put George W Bush in office.

[MADem]

51. +1,000 nt

[Hissyspit]

96. And he begged Nader not to run in 2004.

And Al Gore fucked up the response in 2000.

And, blah, blah, blah...

[ailsagirl]

61. Amen

[KurtNYC]

120. You must have done quite a bit in YOUR lifetime in order to feel entitled to dump on Michael Moore

like that. You must have received more death threats, spent more of YOUR money, more of your time, endured endless stupid cracks about your weight, you got K-Mart to stop selling bullets, you made a documentary about Bush into the highest grossing documentary of all time. You have worked against corporation globalization, assault weapons, the Bush cabal, and the state of American health care. You have been stabbed at book signings, you have had hot Starbucks coffee thrown in your face, you have ex-Navy seals protecting you from the Glen Beck crowd...

So MADem you've done all that and more? Good for YOU!

[MADem]

124. Michael Moore has made a fortune being a scold.

Do you seriously think he'd do any of that shit if he couldn't make a buck off it? You think he gave his documentary money to charity? Please. We know he hasn't given it to the Obama campaign!

Go worship at the Michael Moore "Abandon HOPE, all ye who are registered voters" altar if you'd like. I'll GOTV and drive a hundred or more people to the polls--like I do EVERY election cycle.


Michael wants RMoney to get in so his taxes won't go up. He's a rich man, worth many millions of dollars--he's not like YOU or ME. He's one of those One Percenters. So fuck Michael Moore.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/directors/michael-moore-net-worth/

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[INdemo]

9. I agree..never mind his qualifications.All the corporate mafia wants is a puppet and this guy

is dumber that Bush and the dumber the better..This has been planned by the corporate mafia since Nov 7 2008 and with the Supreme court ruling on Citizens United ( which with right wing Judges was probably predetermined)The Repukes or the Corporate Mafia has billions to spend and the Obama campaign will probably have along with the pacs,maybe just shy ..well less than half as much..So we are screwed

[xtraxritical]

20. I don't think Romney is the only RepubliCON with hidden foreign bank accounts...

I think all the RepubliCONs have them and they are being pumped full of Koch bribe money.

[Flatulo]

10. I think MM is being overly pessimistic, perhaps to keep the troops from being

lulled into a sense of complacency.

Having said that, one can never underestimate the opponent.

[DesertRat]

14. I feel the same way

I think MM is trying to rally the troops.

[Ned_Devine]

33. bingo

[SunSeeker]

15. You're not helping, Michael.

[krawhitham]

130. Or he is just scaring the base to make sure they go and vote

[bluestateguy]

18. He can make more movies and money in a Romney Administration

now do people see through this self serving piece of #@*&?

[MADem]

31. You have an excellent point, there--no windmills to tilt against. nt

[JI7]

38. this is how i see Arianna Huffington

[KurtNYC]

121. What will you use to cut your steak in the future?

(now that you have thrown you knife into Michael Moore's back)

Moore is telling the Left not to get cocky and to GOTV.

[MADem]

132. No he isn't. He's saying Romney is going to win.

When you have to drag out your "tea leaves" and "explain" what the guy is saying, you've lost the argument.

[kitt6]

22. I never could relate to Michael

Moore. What has he ever said that we didn't already know?

[harun]

69. I don't believe you are that dumb. Just say'n.

[andym]

24. The most money doesn't guarantee a win, BUT it does make it more difficult to lose

so Michael Moore's warning is appropriate. One thing we can do is give some $$ to the Obama campaign!

[MADem]

32. Let Michael Millionaire Moore step up to the plate and throw in a few bucks instead of whining. nt

[Iliyah]

27. Obama will win I have no doubt about that

and I remember in 2008 how many on the left said that O couldn't win, even Rachael Maddow felt that way. Now, here we are again, but people tend to not realize that Pres O and his campaign are pretty good even with much less money than Mitten's have and his super duper pacs.

The Citizens United will backfire on the Repigs.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

29. Let's see the tax forms

or Harry's gonna tell us which Repuke told him Romney paid no taxes for 10 years.

[silvershadow]

35. Right. He thinks we've forgotten. I haven't. I won't. Let's see the taxes!

I want to know I'm not gonna vote for a felony tax evader who was caught and took amnesty. Guess I'm not voting for Mitt. Release the hounds...

[CEO Watson]

42. the 1% wants the presidency for a bit

c'mon guys.. the 1% wants the presidency for a bit.. are we 99% not about sharing!? we had four whole years of a president who got so much done for us. the republicans were very patient and tried so hard to help him every way they could.. but that marxist ni.. kenyan.. just wouldn't accept our.. i mean, their help.. ?

maybe having a corporate raider for president will get those corporations in line?
maybe pollution is the cure for global climate change and not the cause?

i'm feeling a glass half full vibe on this handsome rommney guy? who's with me!!

[triplepoint]

43. Mike's claim is flawed

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It doesn't matter that the rePIGs can raise more campaign money than we can. If we can pay the bills with what we raise, then overdesign won't be necessary. That's the point. Mike seems bent on making "overkill" the enemy of "adequate." That's a variation of, "Making perfect the enemy of the good."

There is the problem of buying radio and tv spots from the major networks. It may come down to who wants to pay more, and who can't afford to pay the asking (jacked up or not) price...Something like that might become a problem. There must be laws regulating the selling of "airtime" that keeps things in check.. I would hope so at least. So, don't become disheartened by all the money being raised by the rePIGs. If we can raise enough to "pay the bills," that's sufficient. I don't like what "Citizens United" allows, but I don't believe that organized money can triumph over organized people. Stay vigilant, and don't let the bastards grind you down.

[jtuck004]

46. Yup. They're in the big book, right next to the ones that prohibit bank fraud. n/t

[LiberalAndProud]

44. Michael should maybe speak with Meg Whitman on this topic.

She might have something interesting to say about the law of diminishing returns.

[nolabels]

58. With so many things needing to be lied about they could never have enough money

If someone was smart they could turn this election upside down by getting that 1% to try to protect all those lies with even more money. Meg was seen as a liar, and a liar that is not to be trusted. Money becomes irrelevant at that point

[elzenmahn]

45. He might be trying to apply a little reverse psychology...

...on the Obama supporters. A little scare tactic, perhaps?

He makes a good point about the money issue, however - and if you think what we've seen up until now from the Repubs was bad, now that the convention is over...

We haven't seen anything yet.

[Exultant Democracy]

104. Always run like you are 5 points behind if you want to win.

[AtomicKitten]

48. Pfft.

Special message to someone who rec'd but probably didn't watch the video:

HEYGIRL: Wishful thinking? LOL. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=479225

[Sherman A1]

52. I like Michael Moore, however

I must disagree with his conclusion in this estimation.

[ailsagirl]

59. I think he should have kept his mouth shut because he's hindering us and we don't need that

[randome]

74. The sheen of celebrity can affect anyone regardless of political stance.

[ailsagirl]

75. True. It's just that what he said served no useful purpose.

[randome]

81. Agreed.

In that respect, he proved the equal of Clint Eastwood! Not what he was aiming for, I think.

[DonCoquixote]

54. Again

I think he is trying to wake up the complacent. Sad to say, this will be an election where will will probably need to not only show up, but also be preapred to defend the votes as Florida tries to steal them.

However, the laternative is far worse, and to those that say that is not enough, I say that if Mitt wins, the people whose lives he wrecked will NOT buy some psuedo-intellectual "I was only keeping my principles by keeping my ass at home" nonsense.

[DrDan]

55. completely out of touch . . . I have read right here that Obama will win in a landslide

I have read right here that money will not be a factor in this race.

well . . . I also read here that there is no way that Rand Paul could beat a Dem.

denial - one of our biggest faults

[no_hypocrisy]

56. I don't suppose MM is utilizing reverse psychology

to get us out organizing votes, right?

[SoFlaJet]

57. No. personally I think

that it's wishful thinking on Moore's part. Republicans running any of the branches of government are good for Moore and his money...so he can again be the man who rides in on his extra large white horse to save us all with another documentary to tell us all "I told you so, why DIDN'T you listen to me?".It will be a big expose on Sheldon Adelson and his militant ties and dirty money...hey Mike, where's the mini doc that could be running right now? Or how about oh, say, a COMMERCIAL. Where is YOUR PAC money going to do?

[energumen]

60. insulted

my first comment and its because I feel somewhat insulted. If we could vote from couches Obama would win? It sounds like he is basically saying that those of us who would vote democratic are actually too lazy to get out and do anything. It really sounds like a republican lazy welfare recipient comment.

[rexcat]

123. It would appear that you have forgotten...

what happened in 2010. The Democrats stayed home and the republicans won. I think your assessment in incorrect!

[SmittynMo]

63. So Moore thinks money (and Rmoney) will win?

Moore has said a lot of intelligent things in the past, some not so intelligent. I, however, still believe in what Rachel Maddow said a month ago, and her intelligence far outweighs Moore's. Your most powerful defense against this money issue is to vote, and every vote counts. We need to get peoples asses off the couches and vote!!! These vindictive, lying, racists cannot be allowed in the white house.

[burnsei sensei]

64. Lots of money doesn't make up for a lack of vision.

The Republican party has been hollowed out from within by the "Christian Right" and the "Neoconservative Movement."
The independents will go for the Democrats because the Republicans are so vacuous and have been nothing but obstructionist in the last few years.
It's better to heave a stone out of the way than vote for it.
And the Republicans amount to nothing but stones in a creek, accruing debt, forcing others to accrue debt, and shoring up misery.
If they believe so much in the power of the private sector, then let them get out of government in order to try to validate their claims.
I want people who believe in government to govern.
I want people who disparage government as far from governing as possible.
Every argument they make is for and about the private sector-- so get the Republican tyrants out of Washington and out of every political capitol in this country.

[Nihil]

65. And, predictably, the usual suspects line up to throw the next person under the bus ...

Shame that some people allow their blind hero worship for Obama to override their reading ability ...

> Moore said he believes if the election were conducted in an “American Idol” format
> where “America could vote from their couches,” then Obama would win the election easily.

Moore doesn't underrate the support from the population, just doesn't overrate
their willingness to get of their collective arse and actually *vote* for the man.


> To assume that the other side is just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by
> people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely
> misjudge the opposition

Yeah, that really sounds like Moore is supporting Romney rather than Obama doesn't it?

Or maybe the highly vocal critics on this thread don't like people mentioning that horrible truth
that causes "advisors" topanic on either side of the aisle: "the influence of money in politics".

[jzodda]

66. I hope that he's wrong

What else is there to say?

[harun]

68. The race was over Jan. 21, 2010 (Citizen's United)

[randome]

73. Jesus, that's rather nihilistic of you.

In case you haven't noticed, in spite of Citizen's United, Obama is leading in the polls.

[harun]

79. No real Democrat will get elected until CU is overturned. Sure DINO's will be in there

but Congress will be full of DLC and Blue Dog scum so what's the point.

[proud patriot]

114. and that's why meg whitman won Gov in California

oh wait she lost ... she outsoured american jobs and she lost.

[riverbendviewgal]

70. Do not surrender...Keep vigilant ...observe, keep records.

If something is happening that is questionable..report it...to the authorities, to the media, to DNC ....Keep records. Take pictures and videos.

Be ready to provide proof with those questions.....If it is a stolen election. FIGHT IT!! Do not surrender like in 2000.


Speak to the people you are standing in line with, sitting with. This is the election of the century.

I do not trust the machines.. do those polls with voters after they walk out of the vote places. I forget what you call them.

Help people get IDs. Help people get to the polls and the meetings before the election. Get people involved and active.

The Obama supporters need to keep climbing that hill. Be loud...Shine those flashlights and expose the wrong doing. Dispute the lies. Do not be silent and don't let the elite and corporations steal the vote.

One other question. can Canadians donate t Obama's campaign?

[Trillo]

76. If what MMoore says is true, that money is the predominant selector,

then why bother even having elections? Who's the richest person? Congrats. You're President.

Once you're president, imagine the advantage you as a business person will have with the surveillance power now used by government. You'll know what your business competition is up to at all times, and you can get even richer.

[OnyxCollie]

80. You nailed it on domestic surveillance.

I remember then Senator/Candidate Obama pledging to support a filibuster of the FISA amendments.

Last year, after phone calls from MoveOn members and others, Obama went so far as to vow to "support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies."4 We need him to honor that promise.

These companies helped the Bush Administration illegally spy on the emails and phone calls of innocent Americans. By giving "immunity" to these companies, all lawsuits brought against them by civil liberties groups would be thrown out of court. That means we may never find out how far Bush went in breaking the law. And once it's done, it can't be undone. That's why we need Obama to promise to block any bill that has immunity.

Supporters of today's deal say it doesn't guarantee immunity—it just kicks the issue to a court to decide. But that's deceptive. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) points out:

"It gives attorney general the power to decide if cases against telecommunications companies will proceed. The AG only has to certify to the FISA court that the company didn't spy or did so with a permission slip from the president. A note from the president is not a legal defense. Allowing phone companies to avoid litigation by simply presenting a 'permission slip' from the president is not court review."5

Instead, he voted to give retroactive immunity to telecommunication companies.

What the fuck?

"It's chess! The Republicans would use it against him! We'll fix it later!"

((Domestic surveillance is an important issue for me. It's why I started studying politics. The vote on the FISA amendments was very significant. Here's the kicker: the amendments were due to sunset, and when they did, FISA would have returned to pre-Bushian status. All that was necessary was to hold up the vote. (Reid could have chosen not to bring it up, but that's another matter.))

Filibustering cloture and doing nothing would have fixed everything, yet Obama chose to break his promise and vote for retroactive immunity, i.e. a "Get Out of Jail Free" card for fucking telecommunication companies.

Not really surprising, actually, when one learns that Obama ($267,711)

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000076&chamber=S&party=D&cycle=2008&state=&sort=A

and Obama's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, ($50,650) were the largest recipients of campaign contributions from AT&T.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000076&party=D&chamber=H&type=P&cycle=2008

Birds of a feather, and all that. (Hillary came in second- $112,345.)

And with all the phone hacking News Corp has done, look who's the top recipient of News Corp campaign contributions- Barack Obama ($58,825)

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000227

[Vogon_Glory]

77. Would The Nattering Nabobs Of Negativism Please...

Would the nattering nabobs of negativism please sit down and shut up? We've got a winn-able campaign to wage here. We CAN beat Mitt-sie and Lyin' Ryan with a good ground game and by turning out our voters. If the nattering nabobs can't avoid wagging their tongues, they can at least use them to lick and seal campaign envelopes.

[totodeinhere]

86. You don't have the right to tell us to shut up.

Some of us are greatly concerned about what big money interests are doing to politics. And if think there's a chance that they might well buy the next election I am damned sure going to say so.

[MADem]

89. And Michael Moore doesn't have the right to tell us to not even bother, that it will be RMoney in

November, no matter what. Fuck Michael Moore and the GM car he rode in on.

[Hissyspit]

94. Actually he does have that right, but that's not what he did.

[MADem]

112. The first line of the OP says as much. nt

[graham4anything]

78. Michael Moore didn't say this- he said IF people don't go out and vote

don't be a republican

read the context and nuance

[Hissyspit]

95. Context and nuance!!!???

No, no! He's a monster. A monster, I tell you!!!

And he's fat!

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

82. I think Michael is using

this as a way to motivate those who are interested in this election insofar as casting their vote goes. He's saying we who want Mr. Obama returned to the WH must actively work for that to happen. IMHO

[Smickey]

101. Hip Hip huray....ladies and gentelmen we have a winner!

This was my thought at the time of seeing it. His heart was just not in what he was saying. I think (like DITWL) he is using it as motivation.

[Arkana]

83. Thanks, Mr. Moore, but I'll trust the guy who called 48 of 50 states correctly last time.

Nate's data model is all but unassailable.

[Ter]

87. Too many people here are far too delusional

Now, I'm not saying I agree with Moore. I don't, I think Obama will barely take this. But with that said, many of you here always think Democrats will win no matter what. I remember a poll here posted a day before the Walker recall. 80% said he would lose to the Democrat. What a joke, I knew Walker would win. If DU was around in 1984, I would love to have known how many thought Mondale would pull it out against Reagan.

Anyway, people are blasting Moore for his opinion. He didn't say he wants Romney to win, he said he thinks he will.Big difference.

[and-justice-for-all]

90. Yeah, deaftist bullshit...

there is no need for this kind of crap, he needs to be talking up President Obama and not down.

I disagree with Moore.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

99. I'm sure his tune will change after the Democratic Convention.

He's so busy watching college kids that he ignores the biggest group of non-voters out there. Women. Some hate politics in general because they think it's nasty. Those are the one's likely to vote for Obama over the "rape" issue. Plus, they really do like Michelle and the kids.

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Have you heard the CHEERS from women when they even see a PICTURE of them together?

Just watch the reaction when she goes on Ellen.

Speaking of, when is Ann Romney going to go on Ellen? Don't want to miss THAT.

[Billy888]

91. I'll go with Michael Moore.

I'll go with Michael Moore.

[sofa king]

97. I think "'President Romney' in November..."

... Is almost exactly as likely as "President Romney" on January 20, 2013.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

98. I saw this comment as a warning.

Telling of the "slackers" he goes on about not bothering to vote this year because they aren't as enthusiastic.

The problem with young slackers is that some are curious to see what would happen if Romney really got in.

You know,...just for the hell of it...

[Drunken Irishman]

127. I see it as the exact opposite.

A warning would say, "Romney COULD win, so we need to get our butts to the polls..."

Saying outright you believe Romney will win, no matter what, is essentially signaling to the base, the left, to stay home because this election is over.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

131. Well, I don't agree with that message, obviously.

And I don't believe that was his intent.

I doubt he's drooling at the chance to make a movie about Romney's Presidency either,...even if it would make a lot of money.

[bkkyosemite]

103. Maybe Michael is just

trying to get us to donate more to Obama. Maybe putting a little fear in us so maybe we can reach in our pockets some more. Got an email today huge amount Obama got for this month. Didn't say how much. Got an email from the President today saying this is our last chance to get money for the campaign. Romney says another email is getting 3 to 1 in monies for the swing states. I still hope Obama wins. It will be a nightmare if he does not. Donate whatever you can.

[LTR]

129. That's what I thought

Scaring us into action. Republicans have been doing it for years.


I believe there is a method to his madness.

[24601]

107. Sayeth another 1% POS who pretends otherwise.

[Herlong]

109. Get Out The Vote is not enough

Speaking of realities

Mitt Romney

Repeal of Obamacare

Gas prices though the roof

Attacking every nation we haven't pissed off

What ever happened to truth in media?

[SoCalDemGrrl]

113. Thanks Michael Moore-we need this rhetoric to help get out the vote!!!!

Nothing like the thought of a President Romney to light a fire under Dems-----

VOTE-VOTE-VOTE Yeah

[proud patriot]

115. meg whitman had more $$$$$ she lost

She outsourced American jobs ......Americans don't like that .. At least Californians don't ..

She could have spent millions more she still would have lost ..

[ZombieHorde]

117. Now we know who to blame if Romney does win!

[olddad56]

118. Romney could easily win the way thet the Bush Crime family did in 2000. By cheating.

[Drunken Irishman]

126. This is exactly what the Republicans want to hear...

An influential liberal telling liberals it doesn't matter how hard you work, how much time you invest, nothing you do is going to change the fact Romney will win - it's set in stone. This is exactly what Republicans are banking on ... a dispirited, defeatist base that's decided there is no point in voting because Obama is done.

Fuck Moore. Moore is being dangerous with his baseless opinion and setting up liberals to fail. The defeatism on the left is way more concerning than the overconfidence. I'm afraid so many liberals are quick to say Obama will lose because they want, when it's all said and done, to point to that loss and say, "see, told you so!"

Let's be honest, Mr. Moore has no dog in this race. He doesn't give a rat's ass if Obama wins or Romney wins. He's rich...his child is rich...he doesn't have to worry about being sent off to war and he doesn't have to worry about his child losing good healthcare. He doesn't have to worry about a gutted economy putting him in the poor house and he certainly doesn't have to worry about having his rights, either as a woman, or a gay person, taken away.

Moore is in it for himself. He was in it for himself in 2000 and he's in it for himself now. That's the only way I could explain his comment. And this isn't even a warning comment to tell us we need to work harder ... he's outright conceding this fucking thing. That isn't going to make people work harder or get liberals to the polls...it's going to make them sit home come November.

It's sad that Moore has to do damage like this. What's worse is I see it here on DU all the time. Better give up, because Romney will probably win! He'll either buy the election or steal it! So, what's the point of voting if it's already in the bag?

And that's what Republicans are counting on. Way to give them a new talking point, Michael.

"Hey, even Michael Moore doesn't believe Obama can win!"

[Live and Learn]

128. President Mittwit?

I sure hope not or we will be viewed as a nation of nitwits.