Madden shooter identified by police may have been upset he lost in tourney

[TomCADem]

Source: ABC News

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Officials say that the man who opened fire at a gaming tournament in Jacksonville, Florida was 24-year-old David Katz, an avid Madden player who has participated in several tournaments before he opened fire on fellow gamers competing in the EA Sports Madden NFL 19 tournament at GLHF Game Bar at the Jacksonville Landing.

Although no official motive has been released by the police, several tweets from those who were at the tournament say that Katz was disgruntled after losing a match and opened fire. Police say he used one handgun.

Several online gamers say Katz was known as "RavensChamp" and "Bread" on e-sports circuits and is no stranger to professional tournaments. Video surfaced on YouTube of someone named David Katz playing in a tournament in March.

Madden's e-sports community has a long history of being an intense battleground where players challenge each other as if they were playing on the football fields themselves. The $4 billion gaming franchise is home to some of the world's biggest gaming tournaments.

Read more: https://6abc.com/madden-shooter-identified-by-police-may-have-been-upset-he-lost-in-tourney/4061844/

[Iliyah]

1. And FL being open anything guns, what could go wrong.

[Tiggeroshii]

2. Give everybody a gun.

What could possibly go wrong?

[TomCADem]

16. That's The Point. Without a Gun, Its Just Some Dude Losing His Temper...

...cussing some people out and maybe some pushing and shoving. We have seen it. Heck, I see people sort of losing their mind a few times during Holiday shopping. However, if you just happen to have a gun handy and conveniently when you lose your shit, then what was just an embarrassing moment when you lost your cool, can become something deadly.

I doubt that the shooter went to the Madden Tournament with the idea of shooting people. He was thinking he was going to win, but then his expectations were suddenly upended, and he was pissed and he lost cool...and he happened to have a gun or two handy.

For example, most gun deaths are suicides rather than homicides. Having a gun readily available allows someone who might have a temporary impulse to make a very permanent decision.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html

When Americans think about deaths from guns, we tend to focus on homicides. But the problem of gun suicide is inescapable: More than 60 percent of people in this country who die from guns die by suicide.

Suicide gets a lot less attention than murders for a few reasons. One big one is that news organizations generally don’t cover suicides the way they do murders. There’s evidence that news attention around suicide can lead to more suicides. Suicide is more stigmatized and less discussed than homicide.

But, as a matter of public health, gun suicides are a huge problem in the United States. Suicide is the second-most common cause of death for Americans between 15 and 34, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Across all ages, it is the 10th-most common cause of death, and caused 1.6 percent of all deaths in 2012.

Not all of those suicides are by gun, but a majority are. And while some people feeling suicidal impulses will choose another method if a gun is not at hand, public health researchers cite two reasons guns are particularly dangerous: 1) Guns are more lethal than most other methods people try, so someone who attempts suicide another way is more likely to survive; 2) Studies suggest that suicide attempts often occur shortly after people decide to kill themselves, so people with deadly means at hand when the impulse strikes are more likely to use them than those who have to wait or plan.

[Tiggeroshii]

18. But how will he defend himself from a bad guy with a gun?

[whistler162]

23. Can still be murder suicide

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/08/25/youtube-star-mcskillet-killed-mother-year-old-girl-wrong-way-crash-police-say/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b369e416375a


Second video game idiot to kill others and themselves in as many days.

[RockRaven]

3. Christ,... petulant privileged white assholes should have their own terrorism watch list.

Yeah, I know, it'd be a long f-ing list...

[Trust Buster]

29. What does his skin color have to do with this ?

[MosheFeingold]

42. "White people are bad"

It's the new mantra from idiots on our side of the isle who have a burning desire to alienate 60% of the voting-age population.

Replacing old racism with new racism is not a winning idea.

[Trust Buster]

52. +100

[LanternWaste]

55. I'd allege the same if I had nothing to offer too.

The false-equivalency bumper-stickers have great adhesive. I see it's sticking well.

[Marcuse]

67. Because of his skin color, MS & RW media are unable to racially demonize and demagogue him

precisely because everybody (including the RW) knows all white people are not bad. Accordingly, they had to resort to demonizing the perp as a member of the anti Trump resistance.

[SCantiGOP]

4. Saw this somewhere else

Governmental units love to declare “days.”
There’s a national Pancake Day, Glaucoma Awareness Day, Hot Dog Day, etc
Why not a formally declared Second Amendment Martyrs Day?

[GulfCoast66]

5. A 24 year old whose thing in life is s video game.

I’m Shocked, Shocked I tell you, that he is a sociopath.

[Blue_Adept]

32. How is it different than any other 24-year-old whose time is invested in sports?

Or competitive anything?

Are people whose lives are all about chess on the competitive circuit sociopaths?

Or just videogames. I mean, there were hundreds of other people in the tournament who are pretty much identical in age and what they were doing there.

And there are tons of these tournaments around the world.

Are they all sociopaths?

[GulfCoast66]

33. I guess I give no quarter to people whose lives are about video games

Call me an old coot. But comparing competitive chess players to video gamers is a non starter

Unless disabled, in my mind a life all about video games is a loser proposition.

[Blue_Adept]

34. Nah, not an old coot, just a judgmental holier than thou type.

Hell, my life revolves around comic books and cartoons.

And I make a good living off it, raised a family, and am pretty happy in general.

But I suspect that, like video games, that just puts me in the loser category.

[padfun]

38. I REALLY disagree with you here.

I am a retired 63 year old gamer. I have been into gaming since the Commodore 64 came out in early 1980's as well as things like Intellivision in the same era. Gaming to me is very important in my life.

Because of my love for gaming, I got into computer programming to learn to write my own games. So I went to school and got a degree in CIS (Computer Information Science) which is what it was called way back then. And later I worked for my State Government writing and maintaining databases until my retirement.

But all of that time, I was into gaming. I signed up for World of Warcraft on the day it opened back in November 2004 and I just recently went back to it after the latest expansion release last week. Most people just watch TV and stare at a screen for hours. A gamer is actively involved in their own movie, dictating the course of their own adventure.

My love of gaming led to a decent life and a good retirement. And I am actually surprised to see so much negativity when it comes to gaming. So if you want to bash something that you don't understand, please, at least respect those of us who enjoy good entertainment.

[Adrahil]

44. Dude.....

No offense, but that viewpoint is kinda fucked up. Plenty of folks I know are very interested in video games. The folks I know range from kids, to professional men and women with families and careers.

I don't see it as much different from folks interested in other forms of games or sports. I have less respect for folks who spend all their time on golf courses, frankly.

[Codeine]

69. I know very few people in that age grouo

who don’t engage in the video game hobby to some degree. Are they all sociopaths?

The VAST majority of older people I know stare at televisions for most of their leisure time. At least video games are engaging and interactive.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

6. An armed society is a polite society.

Unless you beat me at a video game. Then it’s pew pew for you!

[lastlib]

30. Or unless you're Somalia........

that ridiculous canard makes me seethe.

[rusty quoin]

7. Why can't they check for weapons at such an event,

Like they do at a NRA convention.

[jmowreader]

13. They may not have thought they needed to

Come on: Who shoots up a fucking video game tournament?

Turns out it's a guy from Baltimore who's a professional video gamer who's pissed he lost his qualifying round and apparently decided, if I can't get into the tournament then no one is getting in.

[rusty quoin]

15. You are right of course. I was just being pissed at the very same people who gave us this

guns everywhere environment keep them out of their own functions. They got me thinking like them. There should be no checking for weapons in a normal world, one in which guns are rare.

[joshcryer]

17. It was a freaking restaurant.

Quite literally a pizza place converted to have computers in it.

The NRA would have every large gathering of people have metal detectors and private security patting everyone down with armed guards at every entrance.

It's just absurd to think this is necessary.

[obamanut2012]

26. Floridian here, and I go to several cons a year down here

And every single one wands you, checks your bags, props, etc. Security at these events have really been ramped up since Parkland. It's even more intense at concerts and games (ie Dolphins, Panthers, college).

I have no idea why a Madden tournament, esp after Parkland, wouldn't do the same.

[Calista241]

43. i went to my first Atlanta Braves game in 2005 and got wanded.

My girlfriend at the time had security rummage through her purse. Security at events like this is not a new thing.

[raccoon]

46. Let's hope they'll start doing that now. nt

[Stonepounder]

8. I'm retired and I spend a lot of my time playing video games.

I have killed thousands of dragons, vampires, werewolves, humans from opposing factions, and critters of all shapes and sizes. I've been killed more times I can count as well.

I've been playing computer games since you needed a mainframe and the 'game' was either all text or used ASCII characters to represent characters and the like. Anyone here remember Colossal Cave, or Zork, or Leisure Suit Larry, or King's Quest? That's like 50 years.

And in ALL of that time I have never felt the slightest urge to take out a game frustration on a real person. Sorry, that's just nuts and how do you let someone who carries over his GAME frustration into the real world and how do you let him bring a gun into a computer game tournament??

[mr_lebowski]

20. Me too ... not the retired part, but oh yeah I remember Zork ...

And I remember a Star Trek game that was on my stepdad's company's mainframe, and they didn't even have monitors, you got the responses from your commands back on a dot matrix printer. I think the connection was via the phone line though and long distance cost bank back then (this was in Hong Kong) so I could only play for like .5 hr at a time when I went to the office w/Pops from time to time. But hell yeah, Zork on the Apple II, played the hell out of that. Leisure Suit Larry was about 5-6 years later, mid-late 80's. Also have fond memories of ... I wanna say Star Raiders or some such on the Atari PC circa 1981. That was incredible at the time. It looked (kinda) like you were flying in space, like in 3D, man!?!! Badass ... First 3d game I ever played.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. "a Star Trek game"... (I am retired now too)

Played on a teletype with something like a 600 baud coupler back in '70 (was on the city school district's mainframe). It printed out the grid showing where the Enterprise was and where the Klingon ship was and you had to type in coordinates for the photon torpedoes. A real tree-killer!



As much as I have read about people having played that BASIC game, it apparently "went viral" back then and showed up on mainframes world wide. I also remember Leisure Suit Larry (on a floppy).

I still have my Tandy trash 80 microcolor computer -



and my Tandy 1000 TL too -



Had upgraded the RAM to 768K and eventually put in a VGA card, Soundblaster card & 20MB hard card to run Windoze 3.0 where I could finally play King's Quest IV with its remarkable graphics *cough* (I think I made it all the way to the end of the game's scenario). Windoze Solitaire on that was legendary - particular the cascading cards when you won. Also used to play a Tetris clone called "Blockout" (ran on a floppy).

[Snellius]

28. Lucky game boy. You could sell that now and buy a new house.

With all the awesome graphics and AI now, those old games were still the best. Now so instantaneous only a 15-year-old can process them. Then it was the waiting that was the most fun. Remember when I could first code a gorilla to actually move. Yes!

[BumRushDaShow]

36. Funny but I remember going to the Johnson Space Center & museum

back in the mid-90s and how they said that the processors/memory in the (I think) Apollo 17 module on display there, were about the same as what was in a digital watch nowadays (or at least back in the '90s). We've definitely come a long way! My dad used to be a COBOL programmer in the '50s - '70s, so as a kid, I got to throw mag tape write-protect rings around like frisbees and gawk at stacks of punch cards.

[Snellius]

41. I remember when I first saw a pocket calculator

Having fumbled with log tables and slide rules (even had a circular one) for years. My mouth dropped open. "How much is it?" I asked, sure it was a million bucks. "15 dollars," she answered. I fell on the floor. Can still feel the chills of OMG. Must have been like flicking a light switch for the first time.

[raccoon]

47. I remember seeing a calculator on the table. I was amazed it calculated way past the decimal.

Wow, makes me feel old!

[BumRushDaShow]

54. I remember the old TI series were like $75 bucks in the '70s

I forget exactly what model we got ~1974 but I think it may have been one the later versions of this -



I know when I went to college in '79, we had to get a TI-55 (which I still have - can't seem to throw it out so it's in a bin ) -

[Blue_Tires]

35. I only remember the Tandy from childhood

I don't know what the heck those other two contraption devices are...

[BumRushDaShow]

39. The teletypes were before there were graphic monitors

They went through rolls and rolls of paper. They were attached to a modem coupler like this -



You picked up the phone, got your dial tone, dialed the number to the mainframe, and when you heard what we nowadays recognize as the beeps and boops and buzz "modem sounds", you put the phone handset down on the coupler, and you got your connection!

All the commands were typed in and got printed once you hit <enter> and the responses from the mainframe would get printed back to you as well.

When I was in college, I used to work at the school's radio station and there was an AP teletype there that we could pull the latest breaking news and general report stories from their stringers, which we literally tore off the teletype's printout (manually separating the topics with a pair of scissors...lol). AP would send out periodic "schedules" of their audio feeds with the date/time/subject/recording length, and I think the final words spoken, via a printout, so that station folks could get a cart ready to record & label the audio that would be broadcast for station subscribers to tape.

[Snellius]

45. Ever see the movie "WarGames"? About a hacker in the early 80s. Later but still crudely nostalgic.

[BumRushDaShow]

59. I remember when it came out

I think I finally rented the video from Erol's in the late '80s. Another bygone thing (even though I have several hundred VHS tapes in multiple cabinets).

[miyazaki]

50. You upgraded to 768k! I'm jealous.

I was stuck at 16K on my TSR color computer. All my programming efforts hit a wall when I ran out of ram. It was a good day when I got a tape recorder to save my programs, especially my text adventures. I just devoured that magazine subscription that came for that computer. Good times.

[BumRushDaShow]

51. I had my handy dandy Radioshack cassette recorder

(which is what was recommended to save programs... )

Used it more for recording music off the radio - hit "record" and stick the thing up against a tabletop radio speaker!

[miyazaki]

53. Thats the one! I can still remember the feel of the buttons on my little fingers.

And ya, I would use it to record any and every other thing I could. Don't why I remember such a thing, but I needed a cassette to save a program one time and I took my older brothers infamous recordings of him blowing ass and recorded over it. He was not happy about this.

[BumRushDaShow]

56. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It definitely was NOT a "stealth" recorder!

And it was hilarious playing back the audio of those saved programming recordings - all types of beeps and bzzztttss and shzzzzzzzzzz eeeeeeeppppp errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrppppppp shhhhhhshhhhhhh.

Edit to add - you mention that Tandy magazine... OMG I remember that and devouring it too... and then eventually moved to the phone-book size Computer Shopper!

[padfun]

40. Right on fellow gamer!!!

I'm with you 100 percent!!

[Retrograde]

64. I used to take my real-life frustrations to the games

Back when I played Doom, I used to pretend the bad guys were the people who annoyed me during the working week. Especially sales reps ("You promised the customer our product would do what? BLAM!&quot

I rarely play now that I'm retired. Nowaday's it's Pokemon Go, which is my incentive for my daily walk. But even in a free game with no actual monetary prizes some people still take it way too seriously. Now excuse me while I walk my virtual egg so I can hatch my virtual monster and get a gold star.

[Honeycombe8]

9. If he'd been playing real football instead of pretend football...

he would've been too tired to shoot at people, and he would have worked some of that anger out through physical activity.

Sometimes I think we've become such a lazy society. Myself included.

[Blue_Adept]

31. oh bullshit

Just like a host of other shooters, they'd walk off the field, grab their gun from the car, come back and shoot people.

And where the hell does lazy come from? Do we know his workout routine? or is this another round of gamers are just fat lazy slobs stereotype?

[Honeycombe8]

66. Oh? I must have missed that mass shooting. When did that happen?

You can put the link to that mass shooting here: _______________________.

It is well known that pent up anger plays a part in violence. That is why physical exertion helps. Therapy also helps with pent up anger.

People who voluntarily spend many hours sitting down being unproductive by playing games are lazy, IMO. I didn't say they were fat, but America is one of the fattest, unhealthiest nations in the world. When kids used to play outside, they were slimmer than now, when they sit inside & play games & watch tv. It's unhealthy past a certain point.

Physical exertion also helps with insomnia. The next time someone complains of a history of long term insomnia not caused by problems or some trauma, think about whether that person exerts himself physically regularly. I've noticed that almost always they're sedentary. They reach for drugs instead of physically exerting themselves.

I grew up in a farming community. Not once did I ever hear of a farmer having long term insomnia. They're dead tired at the end of the day. Their bodies collapse and sleep.

(No mass shootings by farmers, either.)

[grantcart]

10. Isnt this similar to the person who was making money of gaming who took his car

on the freeway going the wrong way and deliberately killed the mother and daughter in a suicide by car?

The self indulgence of the whole thing.

Marx thought that religion would be the opiate of the people. Turns out it is a Sony X box.

[whistler162]

24. Yup...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/08/25/youtube-star-mcskillet-killed-mother-year-old-girl-wrong-way-crash-police-say/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b369e416375a

[OriginalGeek]

65. lol

A geek can't just ignore it. Sony makes Playstation. Microsoft makes X-Box.


I expect you got me but that's ok.

[oberliner]

11. "May have been" ??

Does that constitute reporting now?

[jb5150]

12. Well, he's white ......

... so I guess Trump isn't going to say anything.

[DallasNE]

14. The Story Has Moved And You Need To Click The Following Link

https://6abc.com/suspect-2-others-killed-in-jacksonville-madden-tournament-shooting/4059545/

[ArizonaLib]

19. Shame

No gathering anywhere is safe. Get rid of guns!

[dembotoz]

21. Weapons of opportunity

Tantrum plus handgun never a good combo

[Timmygoat]

22. So I am certain

Trump will ban all game players from having guns, or deport them.

[dembotoz]

48. you will have to register your xbox before you register a gun

[Snellius]

27. They should never have allowed him to be born in this country. MAGA.

We have to put a ban on all video gamers from being conceived. Prenatal ICE. Democrats and Socialists as well. MAGA.

[Blue_Tires]

37. Video (WARNING!):

Link to tweet

[maryellen99]

49. And the young African American male on the right was one of the victims:(

[Blue_Tires]

70. yes...

Link to tweet

[Bradical79]

57. I'm not so sure.

An interview with one of the two guys that beat him said he'd been acting really strange the entire weekend. He didn't think it was over the losses as they weren't the ones targeted.

[LanternWaste]

58. I imagine he'll quickly be placed into the "troubled young man" category.

'Thug' is reserved for those too much unlike this young man.

[Oneironaut]

60. Something is truly screwed up on our society. It's like we've been ripped apart from each other,

and now live our lives staring at screens. That’s when we aren’t working for 60 hours or more out of the week. It’s odd. No wonder mental health is becoming a serious problem.

People don’t deal with their problems in a healthy way anymore. Something is broken.

[TomCADem]

71. Nope. Infowars Talking Point

Nt

[JohnnyRingo]

62. And I have to pass through a metal detector at an Eagles concert?

I'm not saying I should have to get wanded to see Pat Benetar or Joe Walsh, but I did. A couple weeks ago they took my keys because I had a two inch knife on the ring at a Devon Allman show.

Meanwhile, in a state where it seems everyone packs heat they just wave them into an arena that holds thousands of gaming emo nerds.

[Retrograde]

63. Wanna bet the people providing the metal detectors

and the minimum wage guards who operate them are big GOP donors? I also resent the omnipresent searches at big events.

I did notice a larger than usual police presence at the local art and wine festival this weekend. They weren't particularly obtrusive - two police cars parked across the ends of the main street as a barrier, a number of uniforms walking around on the edges of the crowd. The motorcycle guys were letting people put their kids on their bikes. Crowds and alcohol can cause problems, but they seemed to have the attitude of, people are here for a good time, we're not going to interfere unless someone actually starts something.