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alp227

(32,034 posts)
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:34 PM Aug 2012

U.S. war deserter may appeal Canada deportation

Source: Canadian Press

A U.S. soldier facing deportation after fleeing to Canada to avoid the war in Iraq said Friday that her biggest fears are being separated from her children and being sent to prison upon her return to the United States.

Kimberly Rivera, who has lived in Canada for five years with her husband and four children, was issued a deportation order earlier this week. Citizenship and Immigration Canada has given her until September 20 to leave the country.

...

Rivera, a 30-year-old Army private, served in Iraq in 2006. She said she became disillusioned with the mission. She crossed the border into Canada while on leave in February 2007, after she was ordered to serve another tour there.

After arriving in Canada on leave, she applied for refugee status.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/08/31/us-war-deserter-kimberly-rivera.html



Now that Obama is president and the Iraq War is over, I think it's OK for Rivera to come home. Obama should pardon Rivera and others like her like Carter pardoned the Vietnam War draft dodgers who fled to Canada.
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U.S. war deserter may appeal Canada deportation (Original Post) alp227 Aug 2012 OP
I disagree iandhr Aug 2012 #1
Iraq war - fought for no good reason and the real war criminals who will never Jumping John Aug 2012 #4
I have to agree Missycim Aug 2012 #7
You have it right. There is a big difference. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #13
true WooWooWoo Aug 2012 #15
She can rest easy Scairp Aug 2012 #2
Army privates aren't allowed to become disillusioned with the mission without permission slackmaster Aug 2012 #3
She should be given a medal. Anyone that joins the military has been lied to by a recruiter. xtraxritical Aug 2012 #5
You really don't have a clue oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #9
I would like to thank you for your service. iandhr Aug 2012 #10
Are you speaking from experience? cleanhippie Aug 2012 #14
really? backwoodsbob Sep 2012 #17
She took an oath - ohio_88 Aug 2012 #6
A coward and a liar... Mmm_Bacon Aug 2012 #8
Pardons can wait till next year LiveNudePolitics Aug 2012 #11
well heaven05 Aug 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author backscatter712 Sep 2012 #16
Maybe some third country will be willing to take her Rochester Sep 2012 #18
 

Jumping John

(930 posts)
4. Iraq war - fought for no good reason and the real war criminals who will never
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:58 PM
Aug 2012

be in court - much less accused:

CIA Agents who murdered innocents at AbuGhraib and the secret prison at Bagram AF Base

Condi Rice

Donald Rumsfeld

Dick Cheney

George W Bush

Karl Rove

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
13. You have it right. There is a big difference.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:38 PM
Aug 2012

I retired from the Navy in 2008 for the same reasons that this woman deserted. But we both volunteered. Vietnam draftees that went to Canada did NOT volunteer.

WooWooWoo

(454 posts)
15. true
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:43 PM
Aug 2012

but I think there should be a statute of limitations. I'd say 8 years (the terms of an enlistment contract) is sufficient.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
2. She can rest easy
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:43 PM
Aug 2012

She won't be sent back to Iraq that for sure but she may end up in a federal prison for desertion and other charges. I don't think she can count on a different administration doing anything for her. She signed up for that kind of life so she was stuck with it. I don't know what to say otherwise.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
3. Army privates aren't allowed to become disillusioned with the mission without permission
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:43 PM
Aug 2012

She volunteered, she deserted.

It's Canada's business if they want to deport her, but she shouldn't be permitted to come back to the USA without facing justice.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
5. She should be given a medal. Anyone that joins the military has been lied to by a recruiter.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:08 PM
Aug 2012

The military is our biggest problem.

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
9. You really don't have a clue
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:52 PM
Aug 2012

Now tell us why you have such a hard on the military. They are ordinary working class folks who put their ass on the line. Now what is your problem. I've always served. 25 years, USAF, Nam through Gulf, 12 years a teacher, most in a title one district. I now volunteer at the orthopedic unit at the wounded warrior center here. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR YOUR COUNTRY?

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
14. Are you speaking from experience?
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:40 PM
Aug 2012

I'm willing to bet that you are not, but instead are speaking from ignorance.

ohio_88

(30 posts)
6. She took an oath -
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:20 PM
Aug 2012

when she enlisted in the Military. The time to run to Canada was before taking the oath.

LiveNudePolitics

(285 posts)
11. Pardons can wait till next year
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:08 PM
Aug 2012

Pardons can wait till December, cause it ain't gonna happen during an election as freaky as 2012 is shaping up to be.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
12. well
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 08:33 PM
Aug 2012

war is pretty cut and dry. Conscience is another issue all together. I would presume that given Pvt. Rivera had served a tour in Iraq that this is the case. It's an all volunteer service true, yet how can we judge the effect of a hostile war zone on any individual. Trained or not, some cannot deal. Cowardice, deserter, easy words for a person to throw out there. We were not there. We do not inhabit Pvt. Rivera's space. Yes the mission must be completed, that I did proudly in an unpopular war. Yet I still have space in my heart to feel, having felt all the emotions before, during and after action, that if a person cannot deal with the vagaries of war they should be given some special consideration. Just my opinion. I will not judge this person although our laws and the UCMJ will. She will have to deal with that and I hope she has a competent defense.

Response to alp227 (Original post)

Rochester

(838 posts)
18. Maybe some third country will be willing to take her
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 02:20 AM
Sep 2012

Seems like Canada said, "You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."

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