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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 07:12 AM Oct 2018

'Women must veil their form': Law school dean resigns after his writings spark backlash

Source: USA Today


USA TODAY NETWORKJoel Shannon, USA TODAY Published 11:23 p.m. ET Oct. 3, 2018 | Updated 1:05 a.m. ET Oct. 4, 2018

An associate dean at the University of Oklahoma College of Law has voluntarily resigned from his position after his previous writings on women and gay marriage came under scrutiny.

Law professor Brian McCall, who also served as Associate Dean for Academic Affairs, resigned his associate dean position, the university announced Tuesday. The news comes after remarks he previously published were labeled "homophobic" and "sexist" by an Oklahoma University student newspaper.

Those labels were applied to several opinions expressed by McCall in his 2014 book To Build the City of God: Living as Catholics in a Secular Age.

The book calls gay marriage "insanity" and dedicates a section to "Women in Pants and Similar Frauds."






Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/10/03/ou-college-law-dean-resigns-wrote-women-must-veil-their-form/1516326002/

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'Women must veil their form': Law school dean resigns after his writings spark backlash (Original Post) DonViejo Oct 2018 OP
Not meant in a negative way, and I'm not an EXPERT, but from his picture and writings, Spidey-Sense mr_lebowski Oct 2018 #1
You say it's not meant in a negative way, but Croney Oct 2018 #3
As a gay woman, yeah that is a negative thing to say obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #14
Well as a guy ... mr_lebowski Oct 2018 #25
In 5th grade??? oberliner Oct 2018 #38
His kind of thinking is perverse. apcalc Oct 2018 #2
Once again get the red out Oct 2018 #4
How many right wingers who hate "Islamofascists" do admire how they handle the "problem" of women? tanyev Oct 2018 #5
I just had that discussion with my husband ... Silver1 Oct 2018 #10
He is applying for some post within the administration, that is all Perseus Oct 2018 #6
Looking to be IQ45's next nominee to SCOTUS? nt Ilsa Oct 2018 #7
Hey Kids! maxrandb Oct 2018 #8
Fucking prairieland asshole. (nt) Paladin Oct 2018 #9
Let's put him in a skirt and see how gracefully and modestly he does things. Nitram Oct 2018 #11
And ... Silver1 Oct 2018 #12
He is admitting he and possibly all men are this weak. AllyCat Oct 2018 #20
Yes, he is, logically. Silver1 Oct 2018 #23
+1000 True_Blue Oct 2018 #29
Now, if the same standard were applied to SCOTUS noms laserhaas Oct 2018 #13
I was thinking along the same lines as I started to read. sigh!! riversedge Oct 2018 #21
Wow sounds like an American Taliban benfranklin1776 Oct 2018 #15
What this moron should have said MosheFeingold Oct 2018 #16
If he is married, if... Perseus Oct 2018 #17
because women who marry guys like that OriginalGeek Oct 2018 #22
Asshole AllyCat Oct 2018 #18
sick fuck.... dhill926 Oct 2018 #19
If the female form incites you to attack, pluck out mainer Oct 2018 #24
ONe more "special" individual looking for attention.. Maxheader Oct 2018 #26
"Women must veil their form to obscure its contours out of charity towards men," Demovictory9 Oct 2018 #27
My take is the same as it is with Islam YessirAtsaFact Oct 2018 #31
Because women are not people. athena Oct 2018 #34
none of the women or girls entrusted to the care of the family of which I am the head may, nor desir Demovictory9 Oct 2018 #28
Another creepy dudebro who blames his own gaze on women. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #30
"Just another sad old man..." dogknob Oct 2018 #32
An American Taliban fighter posing as a law professor . He belongs in Afghanistan . geretogo Oct 2018 #33
He only resigned his administrative positions. KatyaR Oct 2018 #35
His book was published in 2014??? Chrysanthemum Oct 2018 #36
Trump's next SCOTUS pick n/m RhodeIslandOne Oct 2018 #37
Perhaps better-suited to a law school in Iran? oberliner Oct 2018 #39
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. Not meant in a negative way, and I'm not an EXPERT, but from his picture and writings, Spidey-Sense
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 07:19 AM
Oct 2018

is tingling a bit for me.

Call me crazy ... but I think someone has a 'secret' he really doesn't want people to find out about.

One he's over-compensating for, a bit.

Croney

(4,661 posts)
3. You say it's not meant in a negative way, but
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 07:35 AM
Oct 2018

I recall an eye-opening discussion here a while back, about implying someone might be gay as a way of belittling them. This guy is a horrible person without a doubt.

obamanut2012

(26,079 posts)
14. As a gay woman, yeah that is a negative thing to say
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 09:50 AM
Oct 2018

Which I also consider, at best, passive homophobia.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
25. Well as a guy ...
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 01:41 PM
Oct 2018

who was having sex on the regular with a male classmate starting in 5th grade, I promise you ... it's NOT 'passive homophobia' ... coming from me.

There's not one word there implying I think there's anything wrong with being homosexual.

To be clear, regardless of his 'status' I think anyone that writes or speaks in a homophobic manner ... is a DICK.

But ... is even MORE of a dick ... if they are actually gay themselves.

However, all I said was I think the guy has a secret he's over-compensating for.

You assumed I meant ... he's gay. I could've actually meant anything. For example, a guy who has that strong of a desire to control the minutiae of how women dress ... could easily be a wife-beater, don't you think?

Silver1

(721 posts)
10. I just had that discussion with my husband ...
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 09:20 AM
Oct 2018

and we both feel the Republicans have answered that question with absolute certainty with their desperation to get Kavanaugh to the SC.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
6. He is applying for some post within the administration, that is all
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 08:25 AM
Oct 2018

His qualification as a misogynist should fare well with the rest of the republicans, I would say he has a chance once the man-child notices him.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
11. Let's put him in a skirt and see how gracefully and modestly he does things.
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 09:38 AM
Oct 2018

Add some high heels, too.

Silver1

(721 posts)
12. And ...
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 09:38 AM
Oct 2018

"Women must veil their form to obscure its contours out of charity towards men," McCall wrote."

Ah yes, WOMAN, evil seductress. If a man loses control of his passions, it will be because you brought it upon yourself!

He wrote that in debates about whether women should wear skirts or pants: “I am firmly in the ‘Long Skirt’ camp (not that I wear them myself, but none of the women or girls entrusted to the care of the family of which I am the head may, nor desire to, wear pants)." [my bold emphasis]

the family of which I am the head -- and therein lies his motivation: to control and force the women around him into submission.

What a pathetic man.


AllyCat

(16,189 posts)
20. He is admitting he and possibly all men are this weak.
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 12:11 PM
Oct 2018

Then, by his own logic, men should not be in charge of anything.

Silver1

(721 posts)
23. Yes, he is, logically.
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 01:12 PM
Oct 2018

But I suppose he would negate that conclusion by saying the bible and God himself instructs men to take dominion over everything: the environment, animals, women, because of their inability to govern themselves. I'm sure there's a convenient biblical quote to justify any self serving supremacist point of view that would keep low lives like him at the head and in control.

OnlinePoker posted an article today about a teenage girl executed in Pakistan. "She said she had been abused by her husband and raped several times by her brother-in-law, who told her that if she accepted responsibility, he could pardon her, which is accepted under Islamic law."

Her rapist wants her to accept responsibility for the rapes! This is exactly what Brian McCall is espousing by implying women must cover up their form, otherwise they are responsible for any sexual actions by the men in their communities.

I am sickened. And I am afraid for our future.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
13. Now, if the same standard were applied to SCOTUS noms
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 09:41 AM
Oct 2018

Other thingys would be the focus of these days

benfranklin1776

(6,446 posts)
15. Wow sounds like an American Taliban
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 10:05 AM
Oct 2018

Except he does it under the guise of being a “good Catholic” showing others the way so that’s supposed to be societally acceptable in his eyes and those of his fellow right wing religious nutcases.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
16. What this moron should have said
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 10:13 AM
Oct 2018

Is more along the lines of what I've told my daughters and granddaughters.

Would you leave your car unlocked in a bad neighborhood? Or, heck, anywhere? No.

Walk down a dark alley at 2:00 am, drunk? Not voluntarily, no.

Should you be able to leave your car unlocked? Yes.

Should you be able to walk anywhere you want without fear? Have a few drinks with friends? Of course, you should.

But there are crappy people in this world that take advantage of the unaware or the vulnerable, and one must take reasonable precautions, just like you lock your doors and avoid dark alleys.

Is this fair? No.

Does this excuse the wrongdoer in any way, shape, or form? No.

We live in a crappy world. Take precautions.

Some asshat failed to yield this morning at an intersection with TWO yield signs and "Yield" printing in six foot tall letters on the ground. If I had not given said asshat the right-of-way, we'd have had a wreck. Yes, he would have had to pay. But I would have to deal with the hassle and I'd probably have gotten hurt.

Note: this is not fair, at all. It's not right. It probably encourages assholes to be assholes.

But, that's life, folks. Lock your doors.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
17. If he is married, if...
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 10:40 AM
Oct 2018

How can a woman be married to an asshole like that? What on earth is in a woman's brain to accept such misogyny? The guy is a total creep, what made you fall in love with him? What makes you stay in love with him?

With that kind of thinking I cannot believe him treating his wife well, he is from the club of "men are the greater species" and "women are there to obey and serve"...I wish I could understand both camps thinking, his and his wife...again, if he has one, I don't know and don't care to find out.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
22. because women who marry guys like that
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 12:58 PM
Oct 2018

are often indoctrinated to believe they are supposed to be submissive to guys like that. It's a pretty sweet set-up for those kinds of guys and that's why they are fighting so hard to keep it.

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
26. ONe more "special" individual looking for attention..
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 01:49 PM
Oct 2018

2014? Holy shit batman... , That's like yesterday for
the movement..He had to know then that kind of opinion would
be controversial. So many go over the top on issues... For what?

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
31. My take is the same as it is with Islam
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 02:04 PM
Oct 2018

If men sinning because they see a female is really the issue, they could wear blindfolds any time they go out in public.

It would save a lot of fabric.

athena

(4,187 posts)
34. Because women are not people.
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 02:20 PM
Oct 2018

We can't just go about our lives, minding our own business. We must always be thinking about the men around us and how we can help them in their endeavors, so that they can live fulfilled lives.

Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)
28. none of the women or girls entrusted to the care of the family of which I am the head may, nor desir
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 01:54 PM
Oct 2018

He wrote that in debates about whether women should wear skirts or pants: “I am firmly in the ‘Long Skirt’ camp (not that I wear them myself, but none of the women or girls entrusted to the care of the family of which I am the head may, nor desire to, wear pants)."

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
30. Another creepy dudebro who blames his own gaze on women.
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 01:56 PM
Oct 2018

Another creepy dudebro who blames his both gaze and his lack of self-discipline on the mere existence of women.

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