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pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 09:03 AM Oct 2018

The F.B.I. Probe Ignored Testimonies from Former Classmates of Kavanaugh

Source: New Yorker

Appold, who won two Fulbright Fellowships, and earned his Ph.D. in religious studies from Yale in 1994, also recalled telling his graduate-school roommate about the incident in 1989 or 1990. That roommate, Michael Wetstone, who is now an architect, confirmed Appold’s account and said, “it stood out in our minds because it was a shocking story of transgression.” Appold said that he initially asked to remain anonymous because he hoped to make contact first with the classmate who, to the best of his recollection, told him about the party and was an eyewitness to the incident. He said that he had not been able to get any response from that person, despite multiple attempts to do so. The New Yorker reached the classmate, but he said that he had no memory of the incident.

Appold reached out to the Bureau last weekend but did not hear back. Frustrated, he submitted a statement through an F.B.I. Web portal. During his first year at Yale, Appold lived in the basement of Lawrance Hall, one of the university’s freshman dormitories. He was in the same suite of bedrooms as Kavanaugh, sharing a common room. Appold said of Kavanaugh, “We didn’t hang out together, but there was no animosity between us either.” He said he believes that “there were two sides to Brett.” Those who have described the judge as studious and somewhat reserved or shy are correct, he said. He added, “that was true part of the time, but so are the other things that have been said about him. He drank a lot, and when he was drinking he could be aggressive, and belligerent. He wasn’t beating people up, but there was an edge and an obnoxiousness that I could see at the hearings. When I saw clips” of Kavanaugh’s Senate testimony, Appold said, “I remembered it immediately.”

Appold said that he learned about the alleged incident with Ramirez during the winter of the 1983-84 school year. He recalled being told that, during a party in a first-floor common room in Lawrance Hall, Kavanaugh went over to Ramirez, who had been participating in a drinking game, “and opened his pants, and pulled out his penis, and tried to put it in her face.” But she waved him away. Appold recalled hearing that Ramirez said something like, “It’s not a real penis.” He said that the remark made no sense to him at the time, and he understood it only after reading Ramirez’s allegation in The New Yorker and learning that people had been playing pranks with a fake plastic penis at the party.

In an interview with The New Yorker last month, Ramirez said, “I remember a penis being in front of my face,” and that “I knew that’s not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.” She recalled remarking, “That’s not a real penis,” and that other students were laughing at her confusion and taunting her; one encouraged her to “kiss it.”

Read more: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/will-the-fbi-ignore-testimonies-from-kavanaughs-former-classmates



Multiple witnesses heard about the indecent exposure immediately after it happened but the FBI won't take their reports.

Some are now coming forward, and are willing to be named.

Thank you to Kenneth Appold, Professor at Princeton Theological Seminary, and Michael Wetstone, an architect, for their statements. Also to Stephen Kantrowitz, a former Yale classmate, who texted, “No one who lived in Lawrance Hall (so far as I know) has been contacted by the FBI What a charade.”

Also thanks to the former high school students named in this report, Renate Dolphin, who has withdrawn her name from the list of his supporters, and Alicia Walker.
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LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
1. Looks like they need to clean house at the FBI.
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 09:29 AM
Oct 2018

And this idea that the President is the only client in these cases is the wrong mindset. The President is suppose to be representing the people of the United States and the same for the Senate. The Senate is participating in this matter also. And they are representing the people also.

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
4. WTH - Trump didn't allow the FBI to do it's job. FBI's hands were tied, a Trump Scam
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 10:34 AM
Oct 2018

Check out Luckovich's latest cartoon.

Three blind men with canes depicted as the FBI's ability, under Presidential Directive/Constraint which is the law, to follow up on two allegations.

A sham perpetrated bynthe President, not the FBI.

insulting the FBI is not helpful inho

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
2. If the FBI has been corrupted to those levels, then the USA is in big trouble
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 09:55 AM
Oct 2018

This is tragic, if in fact the FBI is part of the fraud, it is downhill from here, it has been downhill for a while, but the slope just became steeper, the descent into long chaos will be faster.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
3. yes abosultely
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 10:04 AM
Oct 2018

shit just got real (more real?) if the FBI is so neutered or corrupt that they rubber stamp this.
If there are no brakes, no organization, nobody to stand against the obvious abuses of power - we are seriously in the fascist/dictatorship zone.

Puttin must have a big smile on his face - we're turning into the same style of government he has.

bucolic_frolic

(43,166 posts)
5. The FBI has been manipulated again
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 10:41 AM
Oct 2018

Investigation of emails sandbagged Hillary Clinton. Lack of investigation of Kavanaugh has propelled him. The reigns of power have been traced in the first place, and are fairly visible in the present case. I'm wondering if the FBI is being used, manipulated by, well obviously, some form of cabal.

Autumn

(45,090 posts)
8. I wouldn't call it manipulated. Kavanaugh and Rosenstin were friends and co workers
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 11:46 AM
Oct 2018

during the Starr years.

Bayard

(22,075 posts)
6. I'm not a lawyer,
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 11:13 AM
Oct 2018

And I certainly don't play one on TV. So, lawyers on DU--I was told third hand accounts, where someone heard something from somebody else--don't matter. Is that the case here? Like playing telephone.

Just my experience from being embroiled in an 8 yr. long legal battle in the abominable Fresno court system.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
10. This is not a trial so trial standards don't count. However, a prosecutor
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 01:06 PM
Oct 2018

is supposed to contact outcry witnesses -- the persons a victim first told about the assault. In this case, Appold and Wetstone were told about the assault by someone who apparently had witnessed it -- so those people should have been followed back to the original source.

Also, Ramirez said there were 20 people who could have supported her story. None of them were interviewed.

usaf-vet

(6,186 posts)
7. So Trump did learn something from the failed casino businesses.
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 11:22 AM
Oct 2018

He learned how to stack the deck in the house's favor. I this case in Kavanaugh's favor. The CON man continues the con. Duping the democrats and the American people in his attempt to put an ill tempered person on SCOTUS.

When, if ever, will he, his entire family and entire entourage of co-conspirators face justice?

iluvtennis

(19,860 posts)
9. Although I'm sure there is some corruption in the FBI (just like other organizations), overall I
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 11:52 AM
Oct 2018

believe the agents are good/competent people.

Trump/McGahn are the ones are fault here -- it's evident that they severely limited the scope of the investigation although Trump came out and said the FBI had free reign -- we knew that was another of his many lies.

Just the fact that the FBI was allowed to interview Dr Ford and KV under "FBI oath" speaks volumes.

This FBI investigation was a sham, just to fill a box to say, they did it. Shameful.

world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
12. All I can say is that the Dems better not show one ounce of mercy for any of these Republicans
Thu Oct 4, 2018, 05:55 PM
Oct 2018

once they regain the house.
This IS fucking war whether we want it or not. They are certainly taking no prisoners and we can't either.

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