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Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 08:18 AM Oct 2018

Facebook acknowledges 'mistakes' over Brett Kavanaugh hearing

Source: Financial Times

Facebook said its leadership team had made “mistakes” after its head of public policy attended last week’s Congressional grilling of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, causing uproar among some employees.

Joel Kaplan, vice-president for global public policy, said he and his wife had sat behind Mr Kavanaugh because they were close personal friends. Mr Kavanaugh was being questioned about allegations that he committed sexual assault as a teenager, which he denies. The Senate on Thursday was moving towards a final vote on his nomination.

But many Facebook employees were shocked and concerned that it could be a deliberate move to show support for the right, at a time when the company has been accused of an anti-conservative bias.

A Facebook spokesperson said sexual assault was an issue society had “turned a blind eye to for far too long — compounding every victim’s pain”. “Our leadership team recognises that they’ve made mistakes handling the events of the last week and we’re grateful for all the feedback from our employees,” she said.

Read more: https://www.ft.com/content/49abfd38-c822-11e8-ba8f-ee390057b8c9

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Facebook acknowledges 'mistakes' over Brett Kavanaugh hearing (Original Post) Julian Englis Oct 2018 OP
Another reason I'll never have a Facebook account njhoneybadger Oct 2018 #1
+1. Need to re-label it as "antisocial media." lagomorph777 Oct 2018 #32
Facebook sucks ass Racerdog1 Oct 2018 #2
Yes, god forbid that people should interact or share interests. That would be awful. Demit Oct 2018 #3
Interaction? Racerdog1 Oct 2018 #5
You've never heard of visits, and phone calls, and purchases? Atman Oct 2018 #6
I guess that is the problem. You and many others need them but you have no power over them delisen Oct 2018 #15
I run a business without FB, hasn't been a problem. Merlot Oct 2018 #17
"FB is used to promote a business, but not necessary to run a business." Atman Oct 2018 #18
Me too! Thekaspervote Oct 2018 #24
My goodness. The horror you must feel about writing letters & talking on the phone. Demit Oct 2018 #13
I grow weary of the holier-than-thou. Atman Oct 2018 #4
Same here. onlyadream Oct 2018 #7
What? You use and advertise on FB??? rpannier Oct 2018 #10
People using it are free to give up their rights to their own information but delisen Oct 2018 #16
And I know several instances where FB interaction helped people in a bad way. 7962 Oct 2018 #12
I use facebook to keep in contact with my family out of state Marrah_Goodman Oct 2018 #23
I think Facebook, like the Federalist Society is anti-democracy delisen Oct 2018 #27
Your post is offensive and insulting. Marrah_Goodman Oct 2018 #31
Ah pleasing everyone is such an impossibility, so I don't over reach. delisen Oct 2018 #33
I agree. Owl Oct 2018 #30
Joel Kaplan can stick it. Anon-C Oct 2018 #8
GOP operandi - "Easier to ask forgiveness than permission" BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #9
CYA. Facebook should fire him Raven123 Oct 2018 #11
+100 This FakeNoose Oct 2018 #14
Best response, thank you Noose saidsimplesimon Oct 2018 #26
shut the fucking company down .. it is a useless time wasting service that provides no net value to Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #19
trump campaign credits FB with the 2106 win JudyM Oct 2018 #25
This should tell you something about this company. Supporting a traitor like Trump and now this. rockfordfile Oct 2018 #20
Rats stick together, right Joel? mpcamb Oct 2018 #21
That kind of behavior ENCOURAGES the scary nutcases... MountCleaners Oct 2018 #22
And people STILL put money into those assholes' pockets. Squinch Oct 2018 #28
I don't see why this is a problem. SomethingNew Oct 2018 #29
 

Racerdog1

(808 posts)
2. Facebook sucks ass
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 08:27 AM
Oct 2018

IF you have to peruse sites like Facebook so you can be someone you are not or waste your time telling everyone everything you do, you are a sad Iindividual.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
6. You've never heard of visits, and phone calls, and purchases?
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 08:49 AM
Oct 2018

Just because you use FB doesn't mean you're not dealing with people face to face. Sure, communicate online -- to set up meetings, plan concert dates together, recommend restaurants to meet at. I do all these things, I'm not just sitting there in a dark basement (in fact, I've got a rather large, bright studio, and I do design work on the Mac during the day, so I'm pretty much sitting in front of the computer anyway). I guess you get from FB according to how you use it. If you're content to just read memes and insult Republicans, certainly entertaining to a point, then yes, you're probably wasting your time. But a FB page is rather important to anyone trying to run a business these days.

delisen

(6,044 posts)
15. I guess that is the problem. You and many others need them but you have no power over them
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:12 AM
Oct 2018

and they are powerful enough to throw elections and unethical enough to work against the human rights of people in countries and do the bidding of dictators.

Right now it seems only Europe has been able or willing to address the information issues Facebook presents.

I personally never use Facebook because I believe in my right to own my information and not let it be taken from me without my permission and then used against me.

I realize however that as one person I cannot stop the unethical practices of a massive business organization-so for now I stay in touch and support those in power who understand the situation




Merlot

(9,696 posts)
17. I run a business without FB, hasn't been a problem.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 11:02 AM
Oct 2018
a FB page is rather important to anyone trying to run a business these days.

None of my clients has ever suggested setting up a meeting via FB, or requested I start a FB page to enable communication.

FB is used to promote a business, but not necessary to run a business.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
18. "FB is used to promote a business, but not necessary to run a business."
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 11:38 AM
Oct 2018

Of course. I never stated otherwise. I certainly don't run my business from FB, nor use it for communication with my clients. I use FB as a way to direct people to samples of my work (I have a web site, too), and to drum up some extra sales. Advertising on FB is very cheap, and easily targetable. One sale will generally pay for the advertising several times over. It's just another tool, among many others. Good for you that you don't bother with Facebook. I don't advertise in Time Magazine, either, and my business does just fine without it. I guess it's just a matter of knowing your market.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
4. I grow weary of the holier-than-thou.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 08:45 AM
Oct 2018

If you don't like it, fine. I use it for both business and personal. I advertise on FB (and make money from it), and I also post on my personal page to keep in touch with friends (real friends, only people I actually know in person). So climb down off your high horse. I'm not sad at all.

rpannier

(24,330 posts)
10. What? You use and advertise on FB???
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:09 AM
Oct 2018

I think... I think... I feel all queasy inside. Oh..
*fans self. then faints, falling to the floor while bracing fall with hands*

I'm with you. If people want to use it, so what?

delisen

(6,044 posts)
16. People using it are free to give up their rights to their own information but
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 10:27 AM
Oct 2018

they also are complicit in others losing their rights over their own information. I never use Facebook. I think its users have been part of throwing elections and working against human rights around the world.

I always get a kick out of people who want to boycott Walmart (where they never shop) but but congratulate themselves for their supposed ethical stand on Facebook or then celebrate themselves by purchasing an Apple product.

I don't have any answers to what is happening but I think the cutting edge for opposing Facebook's disregard for people and human rights is in Europe and so follow those developments.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
12. And I know several instances where FB interaction helped people in a bad way.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:33 AM
Oct 2018

My "lost" uncle was one of them.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
23. I use facebook to keep in contact with my family out of state
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:30 AM
Oct 2018

It's great to be able to see pictures and hear about things going on in real time. If it's not your thing, no one is making you use it.

delisen

(6,044 posts)
27. I think Facebook, like the Federalist Society is anti-democracy
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 12:46 PM
Oct 2018

Europe understands the problem; US doesn't.

So I don't use it. -but I think Dems who do have been enablers for Trump and Republicans re the election. Nothing personal. Everyone has to make their own decisions.

I believe Facebook will wither due to young people worldwide turning away from it, Europe passing laws limiting its abuses, and more democratic privacy-minder platforms starting up

Raven123

(4,849 posts)
11. CYA. Facebook should fire him
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:10 AM
Oct 2018

If the V.P of your “public policy “ shows up at a nationally broadcast hearing where an accusation of sexual assault against his/her friend is made, you need another V.P. He/she should know they will be viewed as a corporate representative. Those are the breaks. That’s why they are paid the big bucks

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
14. +100 This
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 09:36 AM
Oct 2018

He was there as an official "unofficial" Facebook representative. Now that he's caught out, they're doing all this backspin. But it's all bullshit, ya know? Why the hell did you fly to Washington DC just to sit behind Kavanaugh in the hearing room? Don't say it's because he's your buddy, because you could have called him or texted him and stayed home.



JudyM

(29,251 posts)
25. trump campaign credits FB with the 2106 win
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 12:35 PM
Oct 2018

Their techie sherpa embedded in the trump campaign continuously fine tuned messaging, an advantage the Clinton campaign turned down.

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
20. This should tell you something about this company. Supporting a traitor like Trump and now this.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 03:53 PM
Oct 2018

Joel Kaplan is vice-president for global public policy. That's embarrassing. That guy is supporting a attempted rapist etc.. That's Facebook's global policy.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
22. That kind of behavior ENCOURAGES the scary nutcases...
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 07:15 PM
Oct 2018

Facebook is being so dishonest here. When they back Trump and Kavanaugh, they are lending encouragement to the truly scary people who, for some reason, feel perfectly comfortable posting loads of hateful garbage and lies on Facebook.

So my sister, who used to be a singer in a band, posted to her FB that her PTSD was so bad lately that she won't take a shower without her husband in the room. She got ganged up on by SCARY far-right rock and rollers and one made a death threat and another said, "my sister says your husband raped her." I mean, they are viciously attacking survivors and telling rape jokes. My sister alerted on one of the rape jokes, and the guy's mother told her, "I kill for my sons." So I did some digging and what I found was that these people use FB as a circle jerk to post scary racist stuff to each other. This woman is also friends with a woman who is notorious on FB for being an obsessed stalker of anyone who disagrees with her. I think she got thrown off Twitter at least once for her behavior. I mean, they talk about the rage of women...wander into the wrong group and you find tons of truly disturbing far right rage. And these people will threaten anyone who alerts FB to their posts.

Seriously, I'm surprised more people haven't gotten hurt because of violent crazies hanging out on FB and reinforcing each others' beliefs. It's as bad as 4Chan at this time for the racism, hate and threats.

SomethingNew

(279 posts)
29. I don't see why this is a problem.
Sat Oct 6, 2018, 01:16 PM
Oct 2018

Set aside the politics of all of this for a moment. If a close friend of yours was accused of doing something horrible but denied that he did it and there was little to no corroborating evidence, would you just immediately believe they were guilty and stop supporting them? I wouldn't and I don't want any friends who would answer yes to that question. If a person's interactions with you over a decade or more have led you to believe they are a good person, why would you immediately believe the worst about them as soon as the accusation is made? I know many here believe that being a republican automatically makes a person evil, but I don't subscribe to that belief.

Sorry, I can't fault someone for sticking by a close friend before any investigation or anything else has been done.

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