JUST IN: Man arrested in connection with suspicious packages

[brooklynite]

Last edited Fri Oct 26, 2018, 11:33 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: CNN

From CNN's Laura Jarrett

The Department of Justice just confirmed that one person has been taken custody.

The DOJ will have a news conference at 2:30 p.m. ET today. We'll be covering it live here.



Read more: https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/clintons-obama-suspicious-packages/index.html

[DownriverDem]

1. Please please please

let him be a rabid RWNJ repub.

[George II]

9. His van had a whole bunch of stickers on it, one that was identifiable was a republican symbol:

There also appeared to be a round "presidential seal" with a portrait photograph in the middle. trump? Bush? Reagan?

[SHRED]

29. He is.

[Zorro]

53. Wonder if he was protesting Pelosi the other day

[Chicago1980]

2. There will be charged....

CHARGES...

[FreepFryer]

3. Innocent until proven guilty. If he's a RWNJ, we HELP OUR CASE BY CALLING FOR FAIRNESS & JUSTICE

[DBoon]

7. We believe in rule of law

Even creepy disgusting people deserve a fair trial

Let them advocate lynch mobs

[FreepFryer]

8. Indeed, and lets ourselves not rush to judgment about whether they have the right suspect. (n/t)

The high road about due process in this exact moment - after at least 12 politically-motivated terrorist attempts on the lives of loyal Americans - will help us immeasurably, imho.

[LanternWaste]

20. Courts rule on guilt and innocence, not discussion boards.

Courts rule on guilt and innocence, not discussion boards. We simply discuss and speculate. I doubt anyone is not hoping for a fair and deliberate application of justice.

We help our case by not loudly arguing against that which is, at worst, irrelevant and at its best, merely benign.

[FreepFryer]

23. I didn't ascribe ill motive, or 'not hoping for {} fair justice'. Just to avoid presumption of guilt

We can sit back and smile, rather than froth.

[LanternWaste]

28. I see no frothing.

And our presumption of guilt or innocence is without consequence, and hence benign. Courts, not people decide as such.

[FreepFryer]

30. Our attitudes, behaviors and arguments are never without consequence - even in legal matters.

[jberryhill]

80. The "presumption of innocence" is merely a rule for assigning burden of proof at trial

It is not a moral principle.

If someone comes up to me on the street, points a gun at me, and takes my wallet, then I do not have to presume that person is innocent of mugging me. That's just ridiculous.

Furthermore, the prosecutor at a trial certainly walks in and says, "That person is guilty" from the word go. It is, in fact, the prosecutor's job not to presume anyone is innocent, but to prove they are guilty and they certainly do say so.

[FreepFryer]

83. If you are the victim of a crime, and therefore ostensibly the plaintiff, you have no such burden

[jberryhill]

90. Oy....

A "plaintiff" is a party in a civil suit, not in a criminal proceeding.

Look, if I see you shoot someone on the street, I don't have to believe you are innocent. If there was some general duty to believe accused people are innocent, then nobody would get arrested, tried, or convicted, of anything.

[FreepFryer]

91. I dont think a witness has a duty to presume innocence either, so what exactly is your point? nt

[jberryhill]

92. No one, other than a jury and a judge, has a duty to presume innocence

All it means is that in a criminal trial, the prosecution has the burden of production and persuasion, and that the defendant does not need to prove anything if they don't want to.

It is not some sort of "rule to live by" for persons not engaged in a criminal proceeding in some capacity.

[FreepFryer]

93. There is a difference between democracy and the tyranny of the demos.

[jberryhill]

95. People are entitled to believe what they want on the facts available to them

If someone wants to believe this guy is guilty, then they are free to do so, and they are free to express that belief.

Expressing what one believes is also a basic freedom.

My belief that someone is guilty, and my saying that I believe someone is guilty, does not impact that person's liberty in any manner at all. Neither my belief nor my expression of it puts that person behind bars.

[FreepFryer]

98. Agreed - but ur 3rd para is nonsense. Were that true there would be no libel, for one. (n/t)

[jberryhill]

100. Also nonsense

I'm not going to go off into yet another legal issue with you, but to express one's opinion about something, and to clearly state that it is one's opinion, is not defamatory.

Statements which are expressed in the form of opinions are not actionable. I can say, "In my opinion, so-and-so is deranged" about anyone. It does not matter whether I have any sort of qualifications in psychology, or whether I am factually correct.

The First Amendment protects statements of belief or opinion.

Defamation occurs under certain circumstances in which someone makes false statements of fact about another person, and causes that person cognizable harm (i.e. harm which can be reduced to a dollar figure).

If I say, about anyone, "In my opinion, X" or "I believe X about that person" then my statement is always true - as a statement of my opinion or belief.

[FreepFryer]

101. The 'in my opinion' qualifier is powerful, indeed. Good add. (nt)

[jberryhill]

103. Clever assholes are always careful to do that

They will utter the worst calumnies, artfully phrased.

[FreepFryer]

104. QED. Thanks for the object lesson! (nt)

[BumRushDaShow]

4. WaPo breaking (appending their current story)

Man in Florida arrested in connection with mail bombs sent to public figures, official says

By Mark Berman and
Devlin Barrett
October 26 at 11:01 AM

BREAKING: A man in Florida has been arrested in connection with the mail bombs, according to a law enforcement official.

Authorities on Friday recovered two more potential explosive devices sent to public figures, the latest packages addressed to Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr.

These packages — recovered in Florida and New York — push the total number of devices found by law enforcement to 12. None have detonated, but all have pushed officials onto high alert as they worry about additional devices being delivered.

The FBI said a package, “similar in appearance to the others” found this week, was addressed to Booker and located in Florida. A spokesman for Booker, a prominent Democrat and potential 2020 presidential candidate, declined to comment and referred questions to law enforcement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/26/suspected-explosive-devices-addressed-cory-booker-james-clapper-probe-expands-packages/?utm_term=.8d9908958e45&wpisrc=al_news__alert-national&wpmk=1

[Cha]

108. Thank You, BRDS. More MAGA Bombs sent

to Booker and James Clapper! Busy would be bomber.

Typical brainwashed trump fan.

Link to tweet

[BumRushDaShow]

110. As of Ari's show, they are up to 14 now

including Tom Styer.

[Cha]

111. On wow.. BUSY MAGABOMBER!

Link to tweet

Thank You!

[BumRushDaShow]

112. Just sad.

They probably need to check for any sent to others shown with bullseyes on the side of of that guy's van including Michael More and Van Jones (and believe it or not, Jill Stein)!

[humbled_opinion]

5. Seems like DOJ

received the message find us a patsy to get this story off the news so we can get back to covering the Caravan.

[Nitram]

10. Most in the DOJ do their jobs as non-partisans because they take pride in doing their job well.

Mueller and his team are good examples. Let's not go all Trump and start denigrating the DOJ before we know the facts.

[GulfCoast66]

13. Or maybe they are really good at what they do.

You sound upset they got the guy so quick.

[watoos]

15. We are in deep shit

if this is a Reichstag fire. I have been very uneasy about the way this has been unfolding. Right wing media was all over the talking point that this was a false flag from the very beginning. I pray to god this is not the case (Reichstag fire) but Republicans are as dirty and evil as they come.

We, Democrats, are in position to definitely take back the House and 50/50 to regain the Senate, there is absolutely no reason for anyone from the Left to send these bombs but there is plenty reason for a pal of Rudy Ghouliani to send these bombs and have a patsy set up to blame.

I pray to god this is not a Reichstag fire.

[FreepFryer]

27. The more you speak or think that concept, the more likely you will be to see it that way.

The Reichstag stands. If you dread a Reichstag Fire and resulting Enabling Act, you might just dread worse the prospect that it has already happened, in the form of USA ATRIOT.

[geardaddy]

52. I don't understand how this would be a Reichstag fire.

The targets were liberals. I would think if this were a false flag, it would be pipe bombs sent to Trump and his minions. Thus, making them the "victims" of liberal "mobs."

[LanternWaste]

24. What specifically leads you to believe such in this particular case?

Other than the popular and trendy post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy, what specifically leads you to believe as such in this particular case?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

46. "A patsy" ?? That sounds "false flag" conspiracy theory. Really? You have nothing. . . . nt

[stopbush]

55. Oh, please. I suppose you also believe Oswald was innocent.

[Chicago1980]

6. HA!

Truck of suspect cover in Trump and right-wing paraphernalia.

[iluvtennis]

17. Surprise, surprise (..sarcasm..) We know from the target list (all Dems) that the perpetrator

will be a right wing nut job.

I am just so thankful that his bomb making skills were deficient and no one was hurt. This could have been a major tragedy.

[Snellius]

11. Stickers on van

[CountAllVotes]

16. Looks like they found the culprit

He that honor the orange Hitler gets exactly what they deserve!

I hope they have caught the right person!

[RobinA]

19. What A Dope

[MrsCoffee]

12. Florida man with criminal history tied to New York.

Hmm... sounds like a Trump mobster.

You know Trump has been a mob leader for decades.

[Doitnow]

21. tRump will probably pardon the guy and then make him head of the Defense Dept., the DOJ or

FBI or.....at least pin a bunch of medals on him.

[watoos]

35. In Trump's own words

he will probably pay his legal fees.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

96. Trump may promise to pay the guy's legal fees, ...

... but good luck collecting.

[Mad-in-Mo]

25. THIS. No doubt!

[Equinox Moon]

14. Good. Now find Jamie, the 13 y/o missing in Wisc. after her parents were shot and killed.

[watoos]

18. I apologize for freaking out

but I am so positive about our upcoming election and our taking back of Congress, excuse my paranoia.

It's close enough here in Pa. to noon for a drink.

[iluvtennis]

22. Trumpian paraphernalia on every window of the suspect's van...

[magicarpet]

64. Oh jeez,.. lots of stickers...

Was he wearing a brown shirt and have on jackboots ?

[defacto7]

74. Hmm... rather obvious...

[brooklynite]

26. UPDATE: 56-YO White Male

Link to tweet

[Tess49]

36. Cesar Sayoc, Jr, 56 is the man's name.

[brooklynite]

42. Arrest record, ties to New York

[cannabis_flower]

85. He's Filipino

Not sure if you can really say he's a white male. More like Asian male. Not that it really matters.

[kairos12]

31. A true MAGA Van.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

32. Ha pence pic on there !!

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Javaman]

37. wait for it, the gop will say, "now is not the time to point fingers. nt

[OnlinePoker]

66. No, what they'll say is this was a disturbed individual with no ties to the Republican Party. n/t

[Calista241]

47. Wow. I guess there really are people like that out there.

what a doofus.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

51. Pics

[bpj62]

63. How long ago did you take those pictures.

I ask this because it won't take long for the false flag people to say that the van is a setup and all those stickers were just put on the van recently. You know it's going to happen.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

69. I didn't take. Some guy in Florida took one day cuz

Thought it looked so over the top. Don't know when. But...same van. Pics out there of van today before they covered it up.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

71. Guy who took says April

[iluvtennis]

33. Tweet: I have some pictures of this van I saw him at a stoplight and thought is was very strange

@thereal_mo01
@CBSMiami I have some pictures of this van I saw him at a stoplight one day and thought is was very strange.

[Snellius]

43. Crosshairs

Link to tweet

[iluvtennis]

45. Yep, quite telling.

[gibraltar72]

56. Do you remember the date you took pics?

If a while ago that would tamp down the libs set this up crap.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

61. Wow. You might as well have had a sign "I'm the

Bomber..please arrest me"

[Snellius]

34. CBS News gives location of arrest as Plantation, FL nt

[iluvtennis]

40. Picture of the bombing suspect

@EdKrassen, 5m5 minutes ago

BREAKING:
This is the bombing suspect, arrested in Plantation, Florida today:

His name is Cesar Sayoc Jr., and he is 56 years old from Aventura, Florida.

His van is covered in Trump and GOP decals.

Link to tweet

[Calista241]

48. That has to be a fake hairline.

[leftyladyfrommo]

60. What is it with these guys and their weird hair?

[defacto7]

77. Fear of aging.. fear of losing control..

Fear of not being taken seriously, fear of truth, not accepting the inevitable, fear of death, trying to live forever.

[Volaris]

79. A real stable genius that one...

'Truly, a dizzying intellect.'

[watoos]

38. Those bullseyes

on people aren't going to help his defense.

[still_one]

50. I am sure, Ingram, Limbaugh, Coulter, dinish will jump to his defense

[muntrv]

39. From CBS News website.

#

[DippyDem]

41. Name is Cesar Sayoc Jr. of Fla. NT

[brooklynite]

44. With a HEAVY dose of salt...

there's a profile page on CLASSMATES.COM

https://www.classmates.com/people/Cesar-Sayoc-Jr/8724364945

[docgee]

49. Maybe a reverse false flag.

None of the packages went off. Set up by someone tied to trump ready to blame it on a liberal group before the election.

[watoos]

68. That was what I was I was trying to say earlier.

Be careful people are going to start piling on you. I called it a Reichstag fire where people on the right sent the bombs but had a patsy on the Left lined up to blame. That's all I was saying and worried about and I got hammered.

Well it certainly looks like the suspect is no Lefty, ehh?

Remember, Trump promised to pay his legal fees.

[xor]

86. The more simple explanation is probably more likely

We have a guy who already not right in the head who gets pushed over the edge by Trump's rhetoric. Not exactly a new thing. He probably had some twisted vision that he would be hailed as a hero by the right and by his hero Trump. There is still time for them to start turning this guy into a hero. Once it becomes clear there is no way for them continue down the "hoax" narrative, I am sure some on the fringes will celebrate him and try to excuse his actions.

[George II]

54. This was posted on twitter, an example of what's on the van:

[padah513]

57. OMG the guy's van is a shrine to tRump

I hope they post all the pictures from it on the news so people can see just how tRump's asinine words can lead some unstable person to commit a heinous act.

[SWBTATTReg]

58. Pardon my language but this guy is a NUTJOB. I'm in my 60s, white male, and am nothing ...

like this person, never will be, and hope this idiot loser gets the book thrown at him, preferably for life, since he was so indifferent to life with the handling of his bombs (if him) via the mail, etc. What's really sad about this whole mess is that there are probably more like this guy out there, old white male, loser, nutty as a fruitcake, paranoid as hell, and a sad and pathetic example of a human being.

Be aware of copycats. Be safe. Vote.

[Doitnow]

65. I heard an official say that there is a minimum sentence of

30 years. They say the threat of causing fear in this way makes it about the same as if the bombs went off and so that is why the penalty is the same.

[watoos]

70. I bet he wasn't crazy enough to be banned from buying guns.

If this is the guy and I were the prosecutor that's the argument I would use to cancel out any insanity defense.

[SWBTATTReg]

73. Being able to make the bombs and mail them shows no signs of mental disturbance...

As a matter of fact, shows intent, and clear ability to function, making the bombs. No insanity plea or if used, should be immediately disqualified.

[lunasun]

84. Good points - be aware of copycats and VOTE

[ihaveaquestion]

59. Was just watching NBC feed on Roku

They have cut away now, but they were apparently waiting for the WH press conference for a long time.

What I saw was a room full of mostly black folks wearing MAGA hats - was there a Blacks for Trump meeting scheduled or something?

They were also starting to chant - We Want Trump, We Want Trump! Looked like a campaign rally in the WH!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

62. Gag...now he's taking credit for apprehension!

[alfredo]

67. I wonder what is his Free Republic handle.

[orleans]

75. lol n/t

[xor]

82. Think they'll hold a freepathon for him?

I'm sure Jim Rob will only keep $200,000 of it for "operating costs" of his 1990's style website.

[alfredo]

106. If he can raise that much

[Tobin S.]

72. Guy appears to be a Trumpster.

So much for that false flag conspiracy theory. But I'm sure the Republicans will come up with some other bullshit to feed their followers.

[Cha]

109. Exactly. NOT a "false flag" as everyone knew except

members of the brainwashed cult45.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[xor]

76. His van looks like a Trump cultist's facebook page

A mentally ill conservative loon who was pushed over the edge by Trump's violent rhetoric, but somehow his supporters still blame democrats and the media for this.

Oh and of course those who still claim it's an elaborate false flag hoax meant to frame Trump supporters. These claims are probably made by people with the exact same affliction as the attempted bomber.

[Gothmog]

78. This idiot sounds like a typical deplorable

[Bengus81]

81. MAGA BOMBER van

[C Moon]

88. Seems like a lot of bombs for one guy, though.

[inwiththenew]

89. I wonder if he got the shirt at the same place he got all the decals

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What a nut.

[marybourg]

94. Looks like he's claiming Native American heritage.

Maybe tRump can think up a derisive name for him,too.

[defacto7]

97. It looks to me like he wanted to be caught.

Everything points there.

The one loose end... un-postmarked postage.

[CountAllVotes]

99. Disgusting POS

Lock him up forever for attempted murder(s)!!!!

[kwassa]

102. The Sayoc surname is most common in the Phillipines.

https://forebears.io/surnames/sayoc

though only 385 people in the world are known with it, and the rest are in North America.

[Sunlei]

105. I'll wait until he's charged.Authorities may just pick-up the most obvious Trump-Fans.

That Van's funny & scary at the same time with all those stickers with targets on them.

I'm really ashamed of the USA President, he would ignore Fans who promote violence.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

107. He had his picture taken at a Florida Trump rally with "Blacks For Trump" guy Maurice Symonette

If the story wasn't crazy enough...

...the mail bomber had his picture taken at a Florida Trump rally with "Blacks For Trump" guy Maurice Symonette, a former cult member indicted for his role in the ritual torture and beheading of a man.

Link to tweet

[flying-skeleton]

113. MAGA - Bomber Edition