Bernie Sanders on Andrew Gillium and Stacey Abrams: Many Whites 'Uncomfortable' Voting for Black...
Source: The Daily Beast
Bernie Sanders on Andrew Gillium and Stacey Abrams: Many Whites 'Uncomfortable' Voting for Black Candidates
The progressive leader says Democratic senators who lost in GOP states shouldve been more like Beto ORourke, and that race may be responsible for near-misses in the South.
Gideon Resnick
11.08.18 10:05 AM ET
Democratic officials woke Wednesday morning searching for answers as to why the party was unable to win several marquee Senate and gubernatorial races the night before. But for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) the explanation was simple. The candidates who underperformed werent progressive enough; those who didnt shy away from progressivism were undone, in part, by their race.
I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American, Sanders told The Daily Beast, referencing the close contests involving Andrew Gillum in Florida and Stacey Abrams in Georgia. I think next time around by the way it will be a lot easier for them to do that.
Sanders wasnt speaking as a mere observer but, rather, as someone who had invested time and reputation on many of the midterm contests. The Vermonter, who is potentially considering another bid for the presidency in 2020, mounted an aggressive campaign travel schedule over the past few months and endorsed both Abrams and Gillum. He also has a personal political investment in the notion that unapologetic, authentic progressive populism can be sold throughout the country and not just in states and districts that lean left.
Surveying the victories and the carnage of Tuesdays results, Sanders framed it as a vindication of that vision. The candidates who performed well even in loss, he said, offered positive progressive views for the future of their states, including Gillum, Abrams and Texas Democratic Senate candidate Beto ORourke. Those who were heavily defeated, Sanders said, didnt galvanized young voters, people of color and typically non-active voters.
Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-on-andrew-gillium-and-stacey-abrams-many-whites-uncomfortable-voting-for-black-candidates?ref=home
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
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ananda
(28,877 posts)Period
brush
(53,876 posts)Kemp purged tens of thousands of votes in the last years and actively tried to suppress votes just recently in majority AA precincts.
It's been all over the news. Why doesn't Sanders know this and acknowledge it?
tymorial
(3,433 posts)if you don't vote for a qualified candidate because he's black then yes you are a racist...period!!!
tymorial
(3,433 posts)Black Republicans are likely qualified to hold their office though I question their motivation for remaining in such a repugnant and horrible party. I am splitting hairs I know. Please take no offense
agingdem
(7,860 posts)no offense taken...
brush
(53,876 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2018, 03:17 PM - Edit history (1)
are opportunists who know that there's a niche in the repug party they can slide into and be "different".
They ignore the fact though that the repug party is the party of racists/white supremacists who will use them as evidence that the party isn't really racist.
They also ignore the fact that there's room for conservative Democratic in the party, but then they wouldn't be "different" and would have to compete with other African Americans and POCs who actually don't want to be in a party that welcomes racists and white supremacists.
dameatball
(7,400 posts)some other people. I do not see where he was an opportunist. But in general you may have a point.
brush
(53,876 posts)time would be part of today's repug/trump party.
dameatball
(7,400 posts)but he is head and shoulders above the Trump crowd.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)for "The People" of America. They'll take the truth to their graves.
delisen
(6,044 posts)I wish Bernie would address it.
<https://www.apnews.com/e7d6a41a335b477698e818cae7c4e032>
BENNINGTON, Vt. (AP) Voters in this very liberal, very white state made Kiah Morris a pioneer when in 2014 they elected her as its first black female legislator. Two years later, another Vermont surfaced: racist threats that eventually forced her to leave office in fear and frustration.
After she won the Democratic primary for re-election to the state legislature in 2016, someone tweeted a cartoon caricature of a black person at her, along with a vulgar phrase rendered in ebonics. The tweeter threatened to come to rallies and stalk her, Morris said. She won a protective order against him but once that expired, the harassment continued, she said.
The harassment escalated into a break-in while the family was home, vandalism and death threats seen by her young son. Even after she announced she wouldnt seek re-election, despite running unopposed, a group of youths pounded on her windows and doors at night, forcing her and her husband, convalescing after heart surgery, to leave town.
trueblue2007
(17,240 posts)It was HUNDREDS of thousands...grrrrrrr.
delisen
(6,044 posts)Jason Carter got 44.8 percent of vote in GA in 2014 less than projected. Jason is Jimmy Carter's grandson
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Bernie campaigned with Andrew Gillum in Florida and Stacey Abrams in Georgia. I bet they discussed those "uncomfortable voters" a lot.
jrthin
(4,837 posts)not believe in identity politics?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)I read a brilliant insight recently- the first practitioners of identity politics in America was the KKK. Progressive populism can overcome it by emphasizes shared values that transcends race.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)I believe that's what throws off the polling so much. As much as white people want you to believe they aren't prejudiced, once they get in the privacy of the voting booth their racist fears take over and they vote white. They probably even come out and say they voted Gillum in the post polling. I came down here to central Florida, out of high school, in the early 70's just as integration was taking hold. It was an eye opener for me... Still very racist here... I did vote Gillum though, honest...
deurbano
(2,896 posts)He called them "not necessarily racist," but there is no other explanation for being "uncomfortable" about voting for candidates because they are black.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,219 posts)It IS racist to "feel uncomfortable". It may be involuntary and/or subconscious, but IT IS RACIST. As a 61 year old white lady, I recognize that my occassional, otherwise unexplained, discomfort with black people IS RACIST! I'm not proud of it. I do not defend it. I acknowlege it and do my best to work past it.
apnu
(8,759 posts)I was raised with prejudice and racism. Not overt KKK stuff, but "soft" racism like being told all black people are lazy and other disgusting stereotypes. That stuff sits in your psyche. I know, I spent years with it and had to come to my own reckoning about it. And still habits die hard.
That's what needs to change.
As much as America has been horrible and evil to non-whites, it has also been abusive to whites, teaching us this stuff.
The best I can do is remind myself that I'm not a racist and that's a choice I have to keep making every day. And teach my kids to not be racists too so the don't grow up damaged like I am.
brush
(53,876 posts)how society indoctrinates whites with "soft" racism.
We often talk about the burden of non-privileged people, but we don't often talk about how to change privileged people to create space. At least not in the post-university adult world I find myself in.
BLM and MeToo do a great job of interrupting the conversation and changing it so we have the opportunity to talk about these problems, but little is done or talked about on the topic of what comes next.
How do we change the culture so that black lives matter and sexual assault stops? Behavior hasn't changed. Its easy to raise a hand, but we can't wait around for someone else to fix it. We can't be content with just raising a hand and saying "Harvey Weinstein is a creepy rapist". Sure Harvey is out and jail bound, but has that stopped anything? No.
We have cultural problems to address if we are going to live up to the promise of America we all think is there. And that work will be the hardest America has ever done.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)The nuances. Instead of it being a "black and white" issue, no pun intended.
Racism is such a vile extreme accusation. So because of that, no one who calls themselves liberal, or a Democrat, ever would admit, even to themselves, that they harbour any tiny bit of that. That even how you are raised, or from what community, has no affect on you in that regard.
Personally, I think most everyone has a bit of racism in them. Black, white, Asian, you name it. But "racism" is the wrong word for the scope it has come to be defined as. To put it another way....everyone feels uncomfortable, at least at first, in the company of people that are outside of their normal community. Whether its atheists in church, or vegans in a burger joint. Even between boys and girls when we were young. And that includes any person, of any color, who are raised ensconced primarily in their own community for their youth, and then leave that community, and are surrounded by people outside of their own culture they were raised in.
I was raised in an overwhelmingly white town in Canada. Its not unusual. As a child, if I ever saw a black person, it was an unusual event. They looked "different". But it was not because I HATED them for the colour of their skin. It was simply that I was not used to seeing human beings look or talk the way I was used to. And that experience did not mean that, as I matured, and lived in more cosmopolitan communities, that I not only was comfortble in mixed company, but made friends with people of all races and genders.
If we can't even admit we can get uncomfortable in the presence of what we see initially as the "other" and immediately jump to the word "racist", then how do we ever move forward? It does not mean we can't eventually mature, and get enlightened and completely comfortable with folks of all cultures and races.
I think this is a place to be able start the discussion, separating the normal human response to 'different', and an overt hatred and belief in a supremacy of other races over your own.
apnu
(8,759 posts)I think many white people mean well but aren't equipped because we are indoctrinated in a racist America. We've never in our history really confronted it. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supposed to be the first step. Instead it was the only step. Instead of learning from it, many people were angry and resentful being exposed with this problem.
If we are ever going to change, and this is true for every 'ism', we have to change the broken people like myself. There are always going to be some people who won't change and thrive on hate, but that's really a small amount of the population. But the rest, there needs to be a path for those who want to change and someone with the patience to show them the way.
Waiting it out isn't going to work. I can tell you that we hand our traditions down to the next generation, and if those traditions are racist, be they "soft" or "hard" racism, they will be passed on.
Interesting aside related to your Canadian upbringing. A friend of mine, who's African American, who is in a mixed marriage and have a mixed daughter, lived in Singapore for a few years because of a job out there. Most people in Singapore had never seen a mixed black and white person before and they were fascinated by her curly hair. My friend tells me that old ladies would walk up to them out of the blue on the street and start pawing his daughter's hair with out even greeting them. They were that curious they threw every social norm out the window. It took him a while to figure out they didn't mean anything by it, it used to really freak him out. Eventually people in his neighborhood adjusted and stopped doing it, but his daughter must have been touched by a few hundred people in this way.
lovemydogs
(575 posts)People like a candiate and democratic ideas but, cannot bring themselves to vote for a minority once in the booth. Especially the first time.
They lets stereotypes seep in.
A minority cannot do the job the same as a white man.
A woman is not up to the job. Too emotional
Ect. ect.
This is not new. It's been known for awhile.
It's called the Bradley effect.
A ton of white people said they would vote for Bradley in Ca. decades ago and then the votes disappeared on voting day.
mcar
(42,376 posts)They are racist.
What is so hard to understand about this?
mr_liberal
(1,017 posts)mcar
(42,376 posts)Sorry, that still makes them racist.
mr_liberal
(1,017 posts)lovemydogs
(575 posts)whites say they will vote for a minority candidate and then end up not doing so. They cannot bring themselves to vote for a minority
It's a known phenomenon.
It has nothing to do with being too far left or centrist.
It has to do with a white having a hard time voting for a minority or woman
dawg day
(7,947 posts)this last week, and was so puzzled-- what does the white senator who used to play basketball have to do with anything?
Then I realized the reporters didn't realize it was about TOM Bradley, the former mayor of LA.
It was sort of amusing... we really need to understand the context of our catchphrases.
I had a young student who wrote about the need to take a "burr-sized view." (Birds-eye view.)
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Pisces
(5,602 posts)delisen
(6,044 posts)and his winning opponent Nathan Deal had a big ethics problem.
Without voter suppression-which had increased in the four years since Abrams wound have won.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)Then yes I think it is fair to question motive. That being said, if a minority candidate with the political ideology of Clarence Thomas ran for office, hell will freeze over twice before I support him or her.
Me.
(35,454 posts)mr_liberal
(1,017 posts)Its hard for a liberal to win in a purple state, but add black to that and its almost impossible.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)David__77
(23,520 posts)"They have to be," huh? Lordy...
MissMillie
(38,582 posts)(and I think I'm speaking for us both) it's not about our personal preference for a moderate candidate, but rather for a candidate that can win.
As much as I would hope that a progressive candidate could win, I don't have a lot of faith that enough purple state voters have overcome their racism.
I think Zing's statement is more about strategy than about personal preference. And as such, I agree with Zing.
I wish it were not so.
R B Garr
(16,985 posts)socialism or at least the far left proposals that are currently circulating in ways that others have not been required to do. What a shame.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)he got almost the exact same numbers so that kinda blows up your theory doesn't it.
Polybius
(15,492 posts)No fan of Scott, but he's a tougher candidate and less racist than DeSantis. Nelson would have easily beaten DeSantis, and Scott would have easily beaten Gillum.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Why you did not earn our trust, and likely never will. Stop trying to provide cover for the people who say "they are not racist, but I cannot vote for..."
Pisces
(5,602 posts)wryter2000
(46,082 posts)P*sses off this white person, too.
David__77
(23,520 posts)"who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable..."
I don't like this line at all. I get it - and, I don't like it. I think my mother has discomfort with the idea of black candidates, and she also considers herself quite liberal. I don't think she needs to be excused as "not necessarily racist."
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)is something to still respect.
Nitram
(22,890 posts)What could be more racist than not voting for a black Democratic candidate because a voter feels "uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American"
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Response to DonViejo (Original post)
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)who might be uncomfortable electing POC to positions of power chose to vote for RW racist assholes who used racism as a tool in their campaigns. Definition of fucking RACISTS. Bernie. Stop just stop.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)It's SOME...
lovemydogs
(575 posts)I just read an article on Huffington Post saying the same thing. People love democratic ideas but, not the candidates because they are not white and male.
I find it strange in this day and age. My first vote was cast for Jesse Jackson as President. So, this old white female in Illinois has been voting for all kinds of people. My husband and I even drove 3 hours to Springfield Il, to hear Obama announce for President in 9 degree weather,
But, some whites just cannot bring themselves to vote for a minority.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,219 posts)and tell me again how it's not racist. Of course it's racist. It may not be alt-right, Nazi salute, white sheet wearing racist, but it's STILL RACIST!!!
I love Bernie, but when he says things like this, it pisses this old white lady off.
lovemydogs
(575 posts)They don't hate blalcks or minorities but, cannot bring themselves to vote for a minority for the first time.
It's especially true the older a person is when they are faced with it.
They come from a time when politicians were white and male.
It happens when voting for women as well. Some people would not vote for Hillary because they thought a woman should not be President or could not handle it.
brush
(53,876 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)The reason racism is so insidious is exactly BECAUSE of these "old deep attitudes." That's what systemic racism IS. It doesn't require you to wear a sheet or wave the Confederate flag. It just requires that you be "uncomfortable." There are degrees of racism for sure, but it IS racist.
Nitram
(22,890 posts)The unconscious kind is the most pernicious.
lovemydogs
(575 posts)The phenomenon is known as the Bradley effect.
It came when Tom Bradley ran for office in California:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect
However, there is this strange hostility to anything Sanders says or does. This viseral hatred is beyond their dislike of Trump.
You can dislike a person but, the hate is beyond reason.
I don't understand it and never will.
emulatorloo
(44,187 posts)I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American,
One cant really explain his statement away by claiming he was REALLY talking about the Brady Effect, sorry.
Claiming that people who take issue with this statement only because they hate Sanders is problematic as well as far as I am concerned.
brush
(53,876 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Donkees
(31,465 posts)in the campaign and in this administration.
Nitram
(22,890 posts)How do you see hate in a suggestion that Bernie doesn't understand racism? Your unconditional love of Bernie has blinded you to the obvious.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)Why is he making this specific statement. Personally I think it is all about bigotry and even in his convoluted manner of justifying it, it still smells of racism. But, why is a supposed Democratic possible making this statement here and now?
I am not liking the conclusions I am drawing from this statement. I am not liking what he is trying to create for the 2020 run. We really do not need more excuses to exclude POC and women, especially within our own party.
I don't view him as a possible Dem candidate, those spaces are reserved for Dems only and as he has told us many times over, he's not a Dem. Further, I think he has finally reached his sell-by date. Though I don't actually think he's serious about a run, he must certainly know he doesn't have a chance. My thought is that he's in it for the money.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)He becomes a factual Democrat with a D when he runs for a race.
I get that you do not consider him a possibility, but, he must. Or, he is running as third party.
I, as a Democrat; the base of the Democratic Party, would like to know exactly what party he is running as.
I really do not think that is too much to ask, two years out. Opposition or Allie. We have to know. We have work to do. We finished with 2018. Next is 2020. Sanders is presenting himself as a candidate for 2020. We should get to know what party he is running under.
My ACA matters to me.
Me.
(35,454 posts)I have to disagree about him running as a DEm, I think such a dust storm would be kicked up if that was tried again. Also, someone who is always bashing DEms is not an ally not now and not in 2020. His insults are not a sign of affection. But given his missteps lately, with the recent racist one, I don't think he has a chance.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)I really do not care what Sanders wants. Identifying his party is a given. It just is. He has to state his party. Democratic Party has to allow him to run. There are questions to be had.
Me.
(35,454 posts)He has said he is an INdie over and over and over and while there is no formal party for that, there is a place on the ballots for those with that stated preference.
But as I said I don't think he's actually in it to run but for the money, all those fundraising emails he sends out. Ca-Ching, Ca-Ching.
I want to win next time around and that isn't him.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)The Democrats need the opportunity to say no, then we see if it is third party. If it is third party that Sanders is running in, he is the opposition and no longer a part of our coloration.
That Democratic Party is owed that basic courtesy. The Democratic Base is owed that basic courtesy. To know if a candidate is an ally or foe.
That is my only point. When we have this information, we can address the rest. I personally do not feel that Sanders has a chance with the Democratic base. His comment about racism simply cements that.
Me.
(35,454 posts)It isn't so it doesn't matter
Wintryjade
(814 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2018, 09:07 PM - Edit history (2)
I am not totally confident the Democratic Party will say no if he decides he wants to run as a Democrat again. I want them to say no. I do not always get what I want, though.
Also, an edit here. But then, I was listening to another Democrat pondering that even if he runs as a Dem, he does not have the vote. I prefer he not be allowed to run as a Democrat.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Though I think he won't but the choice of running as a Dem will not be his. He is not the end all and be all and the final say on his running as a Dem will not be his.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)But I am agreeing with you on your stance and position. To be clear.
Me.
(35,454 posts)he's not helping himself being a gadfly and flapping his mouth in unfortunate ways. Fact is he's becoming shopworn.
Wintryjade
(814 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)decide who will be President & who VP by our Primary votes. We'll ALL be engaged with the Dream Team.
you read it here on DU first!, Sunlei 11/2018
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)But women have to do it in high heels and backward." Some things may likely never change...at least until we have it switched to men dancing in high heels and backward????? Sounds kind of silly?
Same goes for POC. Western European Patriarchy is white and male. We're caught in a multi-millennial cultural phenomenom. Change is always gradual, but it is inching its way along the timeline of history.
comradebillyboy
(10,176 posts)'After all, Ginger Rogers did everything that Fred Astaire did. She just did it backwards and in high heels.'
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)... a majority twice.
And in his first and only national elections.
Just a reminder. I know sanders is predicting next election these "uncomfortable white voters" will be more open, but all over the country, that's already happening. Women, minorities, women of color, gay men and women, all won all over the country (including in Kansas!).
I'm glad they didn't wait. I think maybe if more older established candidates-- incumbents-- would step aside and wholeheartedly endorse and mentor younger candidates, that will be accelerating another blue wave.
(And I'm almost as old as Bernie. There is a time to step aside and let the younger people have their chance. They're too polite these days and won't just shove us out of the way like WE did in the 70s and 80s.)
Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)although, why did it take so long?
andym
(5,445 posts)Certainly. The next question is how many are conscious of it, and how many are not? The conscious ones are overt racists and for the most part irredeemable (although George Wallace post-shooting is a counterexample), the unconscious ones are bigoted without knowing it, or knowing it only subconsciously. Of this latter group, the key question arises how many would change their votes and more importantly their perspective, if a mirror were held up to them revealing the truth? Hopefully the answer is some. Then how can they be made aware that they are not perceiving and acting fairly? That is the key. Not everyone can be changed but it is important for America's future that as many people act as unprejudiced as is humanly possible. Obviously, subconscious bigotry has negative effects socially that go beyond elections and helps to degrade the civility that is required to maintain the USA.
hopeforchange2008
(610 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Baking cookies and all.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The fur would fly....
murielm99
(30,765 posts)"I'm not a racist, but..."
Or, "Some of my best friends are black."
This is apologizing for racism. I am glad that he is not an actual Democrat. He should be embarrassed to say such a thing.
Black people have been running for office for many years. How is there anything new about black candidates?
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Wintryjade
(814 posts)on occasion.
DinahMoeHum
(21,812 posts). . .I didn't notice Barack Obama was white.
If Bernie wants the help of the Democrats, then he should actually join the Democratic Party and shed the "Independent" BS label for permanently.
Otherwise the Democrats damn well better not allow Bernie into the party after this remark.
If he wants to run, let him do it as an Independent. No more glomming on to the Democratic Party for his supporting cast.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Bernie Sanders has been on the *national* stage for three solid years now... Why does he remain so inept when it comes to winning PoC (aside from the college kids) over to his side?? Why does he still have chronic Foot-in-Mouth disease when discussing race? (Remember, this isn't the first offense from him and the people in his advisory circle). Why is he so obsessed with coddling Trump voters, as if they will somehow magically not be racist anymore and vote straight Dem if only the old toaster oven factory could came back to Iowa Falls? Why have no lessons been learned whatsoever??
Sanders has pretty much had the stage all to himself for TWO YEARS as a presumptive, likely-to-run candidate for 2020 and even with the universal public belief that he'd crush Trump (who has only gotten less popular) head-to-head, why does it feel like he's regressing instead of in the ascendancy?? Who the hell is advising him?
(And I voted for Sanders in the VA primary, so skip it...)
Been on the stage too long
tinrobot
(10,916 posts)Jeez... Bernie.
Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)bullimiami
(13,105 posts)MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)I have not seen the color of anyone for a very long time. I just have no problem with people who are not exactly like me. They don't scare me and, in fact, I love to find out new things because I have spent time talking to someone who looks different, sounds different, or both. I have friends who are old, young, gay straight -- even Republican! I know Trump lovers and haters and all in between. I just have no problem with differences. I think it would be awful if we were all alike. Very boring.
Gothmog
(145,619 posts)sanders will not get any meaningful support from key demographic groups if he runs in 2020. These comments will seal sanders chances of getting support from key groups in the Democratic coalition
Raven
(13,900 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,968 posts)
Bernie is trying to do, here... maybe he's trying to appeal to Republican voters for 2020? Whatever it is, it won't work... he will lose more than he gains...
bullimiami
(13,105 posts)Not voting for them just because they are Black is the Definition of Racist.
They may want to do a little introspection and stop excusing themselves.
It may not be Overt Racism but it is "on the spectrum".
AnnieBW
(10,459 posts)Granted, Jealous wasn't that great of a candidate. But a lot of white people here in Maryland may live next to black people, work with them, and socialize with them. But, get them behind the voting screen, and they're not comfortable voting for one. Even after voting for Obama twice.
Gothmog
(145,619 posts)It seems that a sufficient number of sanders progressive base decided that they could not vote for a true progressive like Gillum and instead voted for white independent candidates. These votes appear to be DeSantis margin of victory
Link to tweet
ellie
(6,929 posts)racists.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)We Ds have to make sure every ballot is counted, everyone gets their VOTE.
Was so close those races, and both Georgia & Florida had way to many 'problems' with uncounted ballots to be just simple mistakes.
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dansolo
(5,376 posts)Sorry, but the "unelectable" argument doesn't apply here. You are not only defending Bernie, but making his point for him.
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dansolo
(5,376 posts)I think Bernie is planting seeds to argue why he should be selected as the Democratic nominee in 2020.
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MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)And the rest of your little rant is laughable to say the least. Those poor folks had to flock to Jack Pine so they could call Hillary the c-word.
Womp womp.
wiley
(2,921 posts)Has any chance of winning the Presidency. They are all very old news.
Bernie said a racist thing.
Again.
Can we just move on?
There are serious threats to our Democracy.
Today.
Raise money for the recounts and Espy's campaign.
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/2018recounts
Thanks!
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)YOU ARE NOT A DEMOCRAT! Go away.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)This is Regressive. Not progressive.
I have no idea anymore as to what Party or political group he id's with.
Who exactly is he talking to with such statements?
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)It really is quite disturbing.
It took a moment of reactionary recoil before grasping the totality of what he had just said.
Eewwww
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)We sacrificed Hillary for this guy.
Bfd
(1,406 posts)The boys from the Ukraine were already 'all in'.
The sacrifice was both her & our country.
Some sick shite, huh.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Bfd
(1,406 posts)He's a multi millionaire now, right?
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