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Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:47 PM Nov 2018

After ranked-choice election loss, Poliquin now wants a do-over

Source: Portland Press Herald

"The Republican congressman, who lost in a ranked-choice election in Maine's 2nd Congressional District this month to Democrat Jared Golden, continues to look for new ways to invalidate the results."

"U.S. Rep. Bruce Poliquin is requesting a new election in the 2nd Congressional District race. Poliquin’s request, made in a motion filed late Tuesday in federal court, is the latest in his ongoing legal battle to challenge the results of the election, which saw Democrat Jared Golden defeat Poliquin in Maine’s first-ever general election using ranked-choice voting."

...

"Also this week, Poliquin formally requested a recount, a process that could take a month, Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap has said. Poliquin led after the first round of voting on Election Day but after the second choice candidates of independents Tiffany Bond and Will Hoar were factored in, Golden emerged with a lead of about 3,500 votes."




Read more: https://www.pressherald.com/2018/11/28/poliquin-now-asking-for-a-new-election/?fbclid=IwAR2xav0py-5BuUwYci-EWPznzckoQek_9HY7-LAEsVog9N_P0vmGREUluLQ





Poliquin is not going to give this up. I so don't like this guy. There was nothing confusing about the RCV election. He just doesn't like it because he didn't win. He wouldn't have complained otherwise.
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After ranked-choice election loss, Poliquin now wants a do-over (Original Post) Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 OP
Let him waste his funds on a losing cause Just a Weirdo Nov 2018 #1
I hope he isn't granted a redo. Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #3
Not gonna happen. Bathroom Brucey is a galactic crybaby and nothing more. LBM20 Nov 2018 #13
Womp, Womp Racerdog1 Nov 2018 #2
Shit, he isn't worthy of a job. Just a Weirdo Nov 2018 #4
Poliquin's old enough to just retire anyhow. Ex-Wall St Banker. He's probably loaded. Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #5
E̶x̶-̶Marine. Fixed it for ya. :-) cactusfractal Nov 2018 #11
I respect that. Just a Weirdo Nov 2018 #17
Asking for a recount is Bettie Nov 2018 #6
Republicans PatSeg Nov 2018 #7
So true Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #8
Not really a surprise FBaggins Nov 2018 #9
I don't think it would have happened that way with if the Democrat had lost instead Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #10
It has already been upheld by the state supreme court and more than one federal appellate court. LBM20 Nov 2018 #14
What are the appellate court decisions? FBaggins Nov 2018 #15
Some information on this Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #16
So the answer is "none"? FBaggins Nov 2018 #18
It is no different than having a run off election for fed races Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #19
Well, only different in that an instant run off happens... but it is still a run off. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #20
Of course it's different FBaggins Nov 2018 #21
Just as fair though... I think more so Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2018 #22
Poliquin is a flaming fucking crybaby. Not gonna fly. He is pissing into the wind. LBM20 Nov 2018 #12
 

Just a Weirdo

(488 posts)
1. Let him waste his funds on a losing cause
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:48 PM
Nov 2018

Ranked Choice Voting needs to be implemented nationwide. This was a good idea, and even a better idea after the first result of the RCV came in.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
3. I hope he isn't granted a redo.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:57 PM
Nov 2018

I don't want to vote again. I also wonder if the redo would be RCV or not. It would be bad if it wasn't RCV because Mainers have fought hard to get RCV. Majority believes in the system. I believe it gave us the results of what the majority wants. I'd hate to see Poliquin get his way because he is not the person the majority selected. Perhaps it would be an additional run off election between just him and Golden. That would also be dumb because we already did that with RCV. Poliquin is pissing me off because he isn't respecting the results of the election, which is the will of the people. He wants to waste our time again just to give himself another shot at it. He has two terms. He needs to go away. He is showing that he deserves to lose because he is acting like a total loser and disrespecting 2nd district Mainers. We deserve better than him.

 

Racerdog1

(808 posts)
2. Womp, Womp
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 01:52 PM
Nov 2018

Lay down asshole, your gravy train is over. Go out and get one of those minimum wage jobs you Reich wingers love.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
5. Poliquin's old enough to just retire anyhow. Ex-Wall St Banker. He's probably loaded.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 02:02 PM
Nov 2018

Golden is a young guy. Ex-marine. He needs to work for a living.

FBaggins

(26,775 posts)
9. Not really a surprise
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 03:21 PM
Nov 2018

The first candidate who "lost" under the new system who would have "won" under the old... was bound to challenge the constitutionality of the new system.

It's still an open question whether RCV is constitutional. My limited research on the topic leads me to believe that it is (for federal races), but who knows what the current SCOTUS will say?

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
10. I don't think it would have happened that way with if the Democrat had lost instead
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 03:52 PM
Nov 2018

The Democrats (and independents) have been supportive of the system. They think they should abide by it because it is the will of the people. Republicans will oppose it because they want to win at all costs and they've never cared about the majority anyhow. They been through the research already in Maine and a few court cases. That's why we were able to do it. Poliquin never objected until he lost and now he wants to rehash stuff we've already been through again.

 

LBM20

(1,580 posts)
14. It has already been upheld by the state supreme court and more than one federal appellate court.
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 08:02 PM
Nov 2018

FBaggins

(26,775 posts)
15. What are the appellate court decisions?
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:23 PM
Nov 2018

I haven't seen one yet and I'm pretty sure that this is the first case of a federal election using RCV... so I'm not sure how multiple appelate courts could have ruled on it.

The state supreme court actually ruled (unanimously IIRC) that RCV was unconstitutional for state offices, but that it could be used for federal offices. SCOTUS might disagree.

Either way... we don't know for certain that it's constitutional until the results under that system cause someone to lost who would have otherwise won and SCOTUS either rules that it's constitutional or lets a lower court ruling to that effect stand.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
16. Some information on this
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 10:54 AM
Nov 2018

"A Look At The Legal Issues In Bruce Poliquin's Court Challenge To Ranked-Choice Voting"

"Maine 2nd District incumbent Bruce Poliquin's federal court challenge to ranked-choice voting raised several legal issues with the system. On Tuesday Poliquin filed an injunction and temporary restraining order to halt the count of ranked-choice voting results. Dimitri Bam, associate dean for academic affairs at the University of Maine School of Law, unpacked some of those issues with Maine Public's Morning Edition host Irwin Gratz."

http://www.mainepublic.org/post/look-legal-issues-bruce-poliquins-court-challenge-ranked-choice-voting#stream/0


"Prior court rulings would complicate any challenge to Maine’s ranked-choice voting system
Courts have upheld the voting method on several occasions elsewhere in the United States."

"Though no state has used ranked-choice voting for a federal election before, some states have required a candidate win a majority before taking office, typically relying on special runoff elections between the two front-runners if nobody gets 50 percent or more.

In Mississippi and other Southern states that have runoff elections, overseas ballots have included a ranked-choice option for the general election so any runoff races are not delayed by the required timelines to allow military personnel to vote from faraway locales, Richie said."

https://www.centralmaine.com/2018/11/08/prior-court-rulings-would-complicate-any-challege-to-maines-ranked-choice-voting-system/

True, we can't use it in our Maine state office races for general election, but those bastard law makers were supposed to change the constitution to allow for it. That's what we voted for them to do two times already. There were too many Republicans that didn't want to change it because they like the current system. That's their trick to getting elected. We have essentially 2 or more liberal candidates running and only one conservative. Usually our independents are more liberal. Plurality voting benefits the conservatives in this way. This has been a problem for sometime here, but Paul LePage really got people fed up. We were always able to put with whoever got in before, but he was terrible from day one, just completely unacceptable and what's awful is the majority of Mainers never wanted him to begin with. The majority voted for one of the 4 other candidates. If we had a runoff election between the top two, we would have had Eliot Cutler (I) as governor instead. Cutler was only like 1% behind LePage as it was. Mainers have been pissed about that ever since and LePage has always acted like an asshole, so we never got over it. I know Mainers are not going to give up on this ranked choice thing because this is how we can save ourselves from people like LePage in the future. Democrats and Independents are supportive of ranked choice voting, so hopefully we can make some progress toward changing the Maine constitution with the Democratic majority will have next year. Still going to be hard because I bet there are still just enough Republicans to get in the way. That second article points out that in Lewiston Ben Chin would have been elected as mayor twice if it weren't for the majority requirement the city has. He lost on the run off elections. Ben Chin was the Democrat in the race. I like to point that out to Republicans who seem to think run off elections always benefit the Democrat. They can still win if their candidate is truly more well liked. For the most part, Republicans think they are so right about everything that they feel justified in having unfair advantages.

FBaggins

(26,775 posts)
18. So the answer is "none"?
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:28 AM
Nov 2018

There are, in fact, no appellate courts that have ruled that RCV is constitutional.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
19. It is no different than having a run off election for fed races
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 11:32 AM
Nov 2018

which was pointed out that other states already have run offs.

FBaggins

(26,775 posts)
21. Of course it's different
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 12:07 PM
Nov 2018

The results in Mississippi were very different than the same election as an RCV... and, of course, the "ranked choice" aspect is entirely different from voting on one day and then having the race reframed with just the final two. Races that start with five or six candidates would behave entirely differently with runoff vs. RCV systems.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
22. Just as fair though... I think more so
Thu Nov 29, 2018, 12:17 PM
Nov 2018

Because everyone that voted the first time automatically gets to participate in the runoff.
Run off elections on a different day attract a different crowd. Often people don't know about them. Usually a bunch of old folks show up. Skews republican then. That's what happens in the Lewiston mayoral run offs that I mentioned before.

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