F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia
Source: NY Times
WASHINGTON In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the presidents behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.
The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the presidents own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscows influence.
The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.
Agents and senior F.B.I. officials had grown suspicious of Mr. Trumps ties to Russia during the 2016 campaign but held off on opening an investigation into him, the people said, in part because they were uncertain how to proceed with an inquiry of such sensitivity and magnitude. But the presidents activities before and after Mr. Comeys firing in May 2017, particularly two instances in which Mr. Trump tied the Comey dismissal to the Russia investigation, helped prompt the counterintelligence aspect of the inquiry, the people said.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
This just broke minutes ago, CNN reporting on it right now.
Hotler
(11,425 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)Perhaps his motivation is not treasonous but driven by his insane greed. He wanted to build a hotel in Moscow and was going to sweeten the pot with an apartment for Putin. I don't believe that he can stand to lose and will go to any extent to get his way. However, even though his actions could be seriously damaging to the country he will discount them in his quest. He is a totally unprincipled man and a disgusting example of a amoral cretin. He gained the presidency by exploiting racism and demagoguery making promises only gullible people feed a steady diet of hate broadcast could believe.
The Republican Party long ago lost it moral balance when it sold it soul to the hate radio propagandists giving silent assent to their lies to gain office. The party is now owned by the extremists and their own survival is dependent on dong their bidding. This was aptly demonstrated when Trump withdrew his agreement to compromise on his ridiculous wall and caved into their howling protestations. McCain was a lone voice in his rejection of the slander of President Obama that he was not an American citizen and a secret Muslim. Trump seized it and it paved his way to the presidency along with asinine promises that he was going to turn back the clock against automation and a global economy.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)fountainofyouth
(409 posts)It would have been assumed by Mueller's team.
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)Quoting the article there.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)At least from what we can tell?
George II
(67,782 posts)....that's possibly two years' worth of data he could have been feeding Putin.
sfwriter
(3,032 posts)If we have Mueller investigating influence AND and obstruction probe AND a counterintelligence probe, there could be a lot of shoes to drop.
BigmanPigman
(51,610 posts)He must have.
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,610 posts)I am having deja vu.
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)like it had happened - Rosenstein asking if they wanted him to wear a wire.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)To have done so, imho.
BigmanPigman
(51,610 posts)"The deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, suggested last year that he secretly record President Trump in the White House to expose the chaos consuming the administration, and he discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Mr. Trump from office for being unfit."
"Mr. Rosenstein made these suggestions in the spring of 2017 when Mr. Trumps firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director plunged the White House into turmoil. Over the ensuing days, the president divulged classified intelligence to Russians in the Oval Office, and revelations emerged that Mr. Trump had asked Mr. Comey to pledge loyalty and end an investigation into a senior aide."
"Mr. Rosenstein was just two weeks into his job. He had begun overseeing the Russia investigation and played a key role in the presidents dismissal of Mr. Comey by writing a memo critical of his handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation. But Mr. Rosenstein was caught off guard when Mr. Trump cited the memo in the firing, and he began telling people that he feared he had been used."
George II
(67,782 posts)...Rosenstein would have had to approve the investigation.
This could very well be why trump was so violently against Sessions recusing himself.
The crux of the matter is whether or not trump fired Comey to interfere with this investigation.
This is getting serious, and FAST!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Secretly?
Well, thats not a very well kept secret.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)The minute Manafort came on board the jig was up.
Welcome to our world, rest of the planet.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)poli-junkie
(1,002 posts)I would hope that the FBI thought Trump was suspicious from the very beginning of his campaign and even his years hanging out in Moscow with his beauty pageant & hotel plans.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)What if the Obstruction Was the Collusion? On the New York Timess Latest Bombshell
By Benjamin Wittes Friday, January 11, 2019, 8:43 PM
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-if-obstruction-was-collusion-new-york-timess-latest-bombshell
herding cats
(19,565 posts)This quoted testimony immediately above reminded me of a passage Baker had written elsewhere, a passing discussion in an essay on a different subject which Baker wrote for Lawfare but has not yet published. This passage was cleared in pre-publication review by the FBI some months ago when we at Lawfare thought the essays publication was imminent. Here, too, Jim stressed that the investigation was about Russian activity. Here is the relevant passage:
There is a lot packed into this little paragraph, so lets pause for a moment to unpack it. First, note the structure of Bakers fundamental understanding of the investigation as fundamentally about Russia, with the U.S. component subsidiary to the investigation of Russian government activity. Note also that this construction is fully consistent with Jim Comeys Mar. 20, 2017, congressional testimony in which he disclosed the existence of the investigation in the first place:
If I could I could add much more, but copyright issues, and all. I want to encourage people to read it, though.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)saljr1
(273 posts)Washington Post.
ffr
(22,670 posts)Link to tweet
"I dont mean to be an alarmist but...POTUS is echoing directly the line of the Kremlin on a whole bunch of things.... this is something U.S. Intel officials have to understand: why is the Pres. saying what hes saying?"- Chuck Rosenberg w/ @NicolleDWallace - WashingtonMonthly
When it's hard to understand how something can be so complicated, it's very possible that the answer you seek is the simplest one.
What else would explain his secret one-on-one meetings with Putin behind closed doors.
RUSSIAN
ASSET
TRAITOR
If Trump Is Not a Russian Asset, What Explains His Behavior?
Roadside Attraction
(238 posts)Here's a list for your reading enjoyment:
Trump/Russia: A Definitive History, by Seth Hettena.
House of Trump, House of Putin: The Untold Story of Donald Trump and the Russian Mafia, by Craig Unger.
Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and how Russia Helped Donald Trump Win, by Luke Harding.
The Apprentice: Trump, Russia and the Subversion of American Democracy, by Greg Miller.
Proof of Collusion: How Trump Betrayed America, by Seth Abramson.
Gothmog
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trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)Gothmog
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Hekate
(90,714 posts)Gothmog
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orangecrush
(19,572 posts)for the coming bombshells.
Just my guess.
Gothmog
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George II
(67,782 posts)Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)Their actions demonstrate they are in on it too. They arent backing up Trump because he is charming and nice to them. Hes not charming or nice to anyone.
dalton99a
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Gothmog
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blue-wave
(4,356 posts)Thank you for opening this inquiry into something most of us already know. I can sum up the question with one simple three letter word. One clue. It's the opposite of a simple two letter word. Let's all fill in the blanks, shall we? _ _ _.
For fucks sake!! 2 years in and were just getting started? Every one of our intelligence agencies should have been on top of this from day one. What the hell is going on?????
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)It was even obvious during his campaign.
Russia, if youre listening.......
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)kairos12
(12,862 posts)nitpicker
(7,153 posts)olddad56
(5,732 posts)olddad56
(5,732 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)and foreign minister. So, yeah, the evidence is considerable.
Trump Says He Has 'Absolute Right' To Share Intelligence With Russia
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)...and hear the opinions of people like Malcom Nance, Benjamin Wittes, Chuck Rosenberg, the article in the NYT revealing the counter intelligence investigation launched by the FBI following the firing of Comey, Rod Rosenstein possibly been wired etc, the meeting in the White House with Russians on very day of Comey firing (remember Lavarov joking about Comey being fired?)....
The list goes on....the dots are being connected. And Mueller knows all of this and more and has had so many "witnesses" working with him.....
My mind is spinning.....
Optical.Catalyst
(1,355 posts)Once Trump was in office, he found out about the investigation and changed his methods of communication. The search for evidence became an order of magnitude more difficult for the FBI. Lucky for us Robert Mueller was appointed Special Council with full investigative powers to ferret out the truth. The clock is ticking for Trump; it is only a matter of time before he is charged.
wishstar
(5,270 posts)I expect the Repubs to just continue ignoring the national security implications of Trump's Russian affinity and circle the wagon claiming bias by partisan FBI officials (who have been purged or resigned from FBI under Trump). FBI officials who spent most of their careers investigation Russian criminal activity have been systematically investigated and maligned with excuses involving Clinton email probe and for not being Trump loyalists.
Maxheader
(4,373 posts)Throw the commy spy in the clink....
Gothmog
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Talitha
(6,593 posts)Drumpf seems to be hanging around the White House recently. He didn't go to Mar a Lago for the holidays, and I can't remember the last time he went golfing. Always complaining that he's all alone in the White House.
In light of this FBI investigation, might he be under some sort of house arrest? He'd gladly create a super-crisis as a smoke screen to cover up the real reason he's been 'home alone' - except when he's doing something 'presidential' like the border trip.
wishstar
(5,270 posts)Trump's shown more signs than ever of instability lately.
I think after his impulsive move with Syria that caused Mattis resignation and his sudden decision to not go along with the continuing resolution but instead shutdown govt, his closest circle at WH is monitoring him and even making sure Pence has been constantly hovering nearby as if to reassure Trumpers that Pence is a stable influence waiting in the wings.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,489 posts)I know everyone has their own pick, but almost two years later this still remains the most astonishing thing Ive seen reported during the Trump presidency
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