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Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 04:29 PM Jan 2019

Exclusive: Kremlin-linked contractors help guard Venezuela's Maduro - sources

Source: Reuters

Private military contractors who do secret missions for Russia flew into Venezuela in the past few days to beef up security for President Nicolas Maduro in the face of U.S.-backed opposition protests, according to two people close to them.

A third source close to the Russian contractors also told Reuters there was a contingent of them in Venezuela, but could not say when they arrived or what their role was.

Russia, which has backed Maduro’s socialist government to the tune of billions of dollars, this week promised to stand by him after opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself president with Washington’s endorsement.

It was the latest international crisis to split the global superpowers, with the United States and Europe backing Guaido, and Russia and China urging non-interference.


Read more: https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKCN1PJ22Q



Limited information in story, but important development to note if true as Russia has placed "boots on the ground" in Venezuela.
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Exclusive: Kremlin-linked contractors help guard Venezuela's Maduro - sources (Original Post) Devil Child Jan 2019 OP
Most likely the Wagner Group: EX500rider Jan 2019 #1
Wagner is who came to mind for me as well Devil Child Jan 2019 #4
Russia's Blackwater pecosbob Jan 2019 #2
and Russia's Erik Prince. keithbvadu2 Jan 2019 #11
I can understand getting additional security to prevent kidnapping. David__77 Jan 2019 #3
Perhaps if he hadn't ruined the country it wouldn't be necessary... EX500rider Jan 2019 #5
He was not kidnapped, he was arrested Perseus Jan 2019 #7
Chavez was "arrested" in the sense that Pinochet would have arrested Allende, yes. David__77 Jan 2019 #9
Actually he was arrested in the sense that he led a failed coup and WAS arrested by the govt. EX500rider Jan 2019 #12
Yes, that's right. He was kidnapped in 2002. David__77 Jan 2019 #13
When the govt arrests you for a failed coup, that is "arrested" not kidnapped. n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #14
Chavez didn't lead a coup in 2002. He was kidnapped in 2002. David__77 Jan 2019 #15
Maybe you should read up on the failed coup and arrest of Hugo. It is well known. EX500rider Jan 2019 #17
Yes, there was a coup and kidnapping, and then he was freed. David__77 Jan 2019 #18
I didn't see where anybody said Carmona was great, could you point it out to me? EX500rider Jan 2019 #19
Lots of people supported Carmona. David__77 Jan 2019 #21
Chavez lead a failed coup against Carlos Andrs Prez. n/t EX500rider Jan 2019 #22
One does not preclude the other. David__77 Jan 2019 #23
He was flown out of Venezuela and kept on an island off the coast. Why would you not remember? Judi Lynn Jan 2019 #16
He was moved to Yare prison. EX500rider Jan 2019 #20
Nothing new Perseus Jan 2019 #6
Because oil pecosbob Jan 2019 #8
Obama was right in not attacking Venezuela. David__77 Jan 2019 #10

EX500rider

(10,868 posts)
1. Most likely the Wagner Group:
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 04:32 PM
Jan 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group

"Some have described it as a private military company (or a private military contracting agency), whose contractors have reportedly taken part in various conflicts, including operations in the Syrian Civil War on the side of the Syrian government as well as, from 2014 until 2015, in the War in Donbass in Ukraine aiding the separatist forces of the self-declared Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. Others are of the opinion that ChVK Wagner is really a unit of the Russian Ministry of Defence in disguise, which is used by the Russian government in conflicts where deniability is called for."
 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
4. Wagner is who came to mind for me as well
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 04:35 PM
Jan 2019

They are an asset that Putin has used before as you have noted. Officially a PMC but in reality an organ of the Russian government.

David__77

(23,516 posts)
3. I can understand getting additional security to prevent kidnapping.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 04:35 PM
Jan 2019

Chavez was kidnapped during the failed coup years ago. Perhaps if he had had a stronger personal guard, that wouldn't have happened.

EX500rider

(10,868 posts)
5. Perhaps if he hadn't ruined the country it wouldn't be necessary...
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jan 2019

Venezuelans reported losing on average 11 kilograms (24 lbs) in body weight last year and almost 90 percent now live in poverty.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-food/venezuelans-report-big-weight-losses-in-2017-as-hunger-hits-idUSKCN1G52HA

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
7. He was not kidnapped, he was arrested
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 04:52 PM
Jan 2019

There is a big difference there.

If the orange buffoon gets arrested for treason you cannot claim that he was kidnapped. Do you think Roger Stone was kidnapped by the FBI this morning, or was he arrested?

EX500rider

(10,868 posts)
17. Maybe you should read up on the failed coup and arrest of Hugo. It is well known.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:26 PM
Jan 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#1992_coup_attempt

Chávez was arrested and imprisoned at the San Carlos military stockade, wracked with guilt and feeling responsible for the failure of the coup.

David__77

(23,516 posts)
18. Yes, there was a coup and kidnapping, and then he was freed.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:30 PM
Jan 2019

I get that some people thought the coup president Carmona was great and all.

EX500rider

(10,868 posts)
19. I didn't see where anybody said Carmona was great, could you point it out to me?
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:32 PM
Jan 2019

I did see where some of us admit to reality, he lead a coup and got arrested.

David__77

(23,516 posts)
21. Lots of people supported Carmona.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 12:00 AM
Jan 2019

They cheered him.

https://m.

&t=0s&list=PL3Vb2bOfMYoMRRwJB8YTXfH0dEpI4Ywlx&index=2

Then the coup against Chavez failed and he was released from his kidnappers.

Judi Lynn

(160,630 posts)
16. He was flown out of Venezuela and kept on an island off the coast. Why would you not remember?
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 09:26 PM
Jan 2019

On edit:

La Orchila



La Orchila is an island and a military base off the coast of Venezuela, north of Caracas.

. . .

Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez was imprisoned on the island during the April 2002 coup


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Orchila

EX500rider

(10,868 posts)
20. He was moved to Yare prison.
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 11:44 PM
Jan 2019
Chávez was arrested and imprisoned at the San Carlos military stockade, wracked with guilt and feeling responsible for the failure of the coup. Pro-Chávez demonstrations outside San Carlos led to his transfer to Yare Prison.

Yare Prison is a prison in San Francisco de Yare, in the Simon Bolivar Municipality of Miranda State in Venezuela.
It is not on a island.
 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
6. Nothing new
Fri Jan 25, 2019, 04:49 PM
Jan 2019

The Cubans have been the bodyguards of both Chavez, when he was alive, and maduro now. Russia has been in Venezuela for some time, so is Iran, Hezbollah, China...

When you see "Colectivos" (Murderes on motorcycles), the majority are from Cuba.

I fear that things have become too intense with Russia so transparent about being there. I wish Obama had done more for Venezuela because Putin may not have liked Obama, but he respected him, and knew he had to be more cautious, but now he has his puppet so he feels he can do anything he wants.

It has been a puzzle to me why USA allowed the situation in Venezuela to get out of hand.

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