U.S. to end tomato trade pact with Mexico, threatening duties
Source: Reuters
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States will resume an anti-dumping investigation into Mexican tomatoes, the Commerce Department said on Thursday, withdrawing from a 2013 managed trade deal that U.S. growers and lawmakers say has failed.
The move opens a new source of trade friction between the United States and Mexico, Commerce said it was giving the required 90-day notice before terminating the six-year-old agreement not to pursue anti-dumping cases against fresh tomato imports from Mexico.
The action could lead to new duties on Mexican tomatoes, higher consumer prices and possible retaliation at a time when the two countries are still wrangling over U.S. tariffs on Mexican steel and aluminum.
A trade war over tomatoes was averted twice since the 1990s, most recently in 2013 with the current deal to put a price floor on Mexican tomatoes sold in the United States while barring U.S. growers from pursuing anti-dumping charges against Mexican exporters.
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BUSINESS NEWS FEBRUARY 7, 2019 / 12:56 PM / UPDATED AN HOUR AGO
David Shepardson, David Lawder
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Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tomatoes-mexico/u-s-to-end-tomato-trade-pact-with-mexico-threatening-duties-idUSKCN1PW27Y
SWBTATTReg
(22,143 posts)and where else are we going to get them? We do have Calif., Florida, and Hawaii that are warm enough to grow tomatoes, and growing them in Mexico makes sense too. Maybe in AR and other states in the southern US grow tomatoes too.
Perhaps the consumers should be the deciding factor in determining if the tomatoes are priced too low, and that the growers in the US need to step up their game in growing them (the tomatoes). This sounds like an attempt by growers here in the US to solely sell their tomatoes (and no one else would be allowed to), and of course the American consumer would be the one who pays the bill. Again, the producers seem to have the upper hand in this country and not the consumer.
Am I missing something here? Is there truly a case of dumping? I would think being so highly perishable, that one must be careful about taking too long to ship, to handle, etc.
2naSalit
(86,650 posts)along with lettuce and carrots an other veggies. The water access is the thing where most produce is grown on mega farms. Hawaii is pretty far for tomatoes to travel.
SWBTATTReg
(22,143 posts)take care!
2naSalit
(86,650 posts)run produce all over the country. "Follow the crops" was the saying.
SWBTATTReg
(22,143 posts)following the crops as they got ripe and my great grand mother, 30 years deceased, used to tell us of stories where they would all pack up and go pick peaches in Colorado of all places. Take care of yourself!
2naSalit
(86,650 posts)I was hauling the stuff in semis to markets all over the country... professionally I have logged over 2 million miles.
SWBTATTReg
(22,143 posts)often. Seems like they all have their favorite place when they are all on the road...take care and thanks for clarifying.
2naSalit
(86,650 posts)One can only relate to this of which they know. Driving used to be a lot of fun, even though the work was hard. It was fun up until about 1990-ish, and way lots of fun back before 1980. I retired from that in '92.
sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)tomatoes in the world are grown in New Jersey.
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)What about my Campari tomatoes???? Don't fuck with my tomatoes!
2naSalit
(86,650 posts)in Montana, come from a hot house in Utah.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)any remaining inexpensive meals from restaurants (I expect to see many restaurants to close due to higher labor and lease costs, regardless).
I see no mention of whether American growers can even meet current demand if imports become too expensive.
Drip, drip, drip goes the Trump inflation machine......
Not an advocate of always buying lowest-price products at any cost to society, but the day is coming when we will need to preserve our remaining water supplies just for hydration and sanitation. The Colorado River supply system is dying as we speak, and Florida's day is coming.
Igel
(35,320 posts)It has the squirrelly name Suspension Agreement.
Sort of a useful quasi-organized approach:
https://enforcement.trade.gov/tomato/2013-agreement/2013-agreement.html
Full text:
https://enforcement.trade.gov/tomato/2013-agreement/documents/Mexico-Tomatoes-Agreement-20130304.pdf
Text page 19ff give prices. It's worth noting that the prices cross-cut several ways. There's a "summer" price and a "winter" price, and there are tiered prices for non-specialty and specialty (including "heirloom" . It doesn't cover (I think--I quickly skimmed it) tomatoes intended for processing.
Tomato producers in the US have been up in arms over the pricing, since as prices increase the floor for Mexican imports has held constant. If Mexico undercuts that, even, it's a huge market advantage.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)This is could push the price of tomatoes up noticeably, and that'd irritate a lot of conservatives and nonvoters in general who carefully avoid knowing anything about the cross-border children they've been kidnapping and keeping from their parents, traumatizing, otherwise neglecting and actively abusing and "losing."
Let's just hope some realize why the hurt. I especially appreciated a line in a SNL skit that dissed female contestants on a TV show as all looking "like women who don't vote."
GOTV SNL style.
dalton99a
(81,526 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I was intrigued by those autumn Pharr spikes. Pharr, down near the most southern point of the TX-MX border, turns out to handle the largest volume of fresh produce all year. Maybe that's what Roma tomatoes look like on a graph, or maybe folk in the southwest are still harvesting their last and a lot of that is headed to colder climes?
In any case, for some reason since 1996 northbound trucks through Reynosa, MX haven't been allowed to use the Hidalgo port, so here they are. Only 4 lanes.
Now THIS is the kind I'm used to. Still have a flower pot shaped like a chicken we purchased the last time we waited in those lines.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)I live in the Redland...an area south of Miami around Homestead. It's a huge tomato , squash and beans. Produce/row crops are a big business down here.
Tomatos are on the vine here right now. They'll be picked green and sent to the warehouses to be shipped.
Last year the big growers put down herbicides and killed off the crops rather than harvest them. Their claim was they couldn't afford to harvest them due to Mexican imports and a growing lack of access to labor.
Let's see what happens this year.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,204 posts)Last edited Sat Feb 9, 2019, 01:48 PM - Edit history (1)
Our food system is a mess, isn't it? There are still so many crops, like tomatoes, that have to be harvested by hand, which means SEASONAL labor. And American citizens want full time, permanent jobs. I get that. That's what I want too. Yet we demonize the migrant workers who come from Mexico to do the back breaking, low paying, seasonal work that citizens, for the most part, WILL NOT DO.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)out of spite. Started well before Trump, though, with as tea-party social conservatives gained power.
I bet anything the Trump admin imagined Americans would/could be pushed to tear their hands apart shelling Maryland seafood for minimum wage when they blocked the needed visa allotments. Sure, because what upstanding Americans wouldn't be glad to grow up knowing hard, seasonal, minimum wage jobs were being saved for them?
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)But I don't have row crops.
I grow lychees, logans, mangos and avocados so my business is much less labor intensive. Also my fruit are picked during late summer.
My buyer picks his own with his own crews. The row crop growers have the highest need for labor.
The positive thing coming out of the labor shortage is that the hourly wages and working conditions are improving for those doing the work.
I have a couple of large (20-30 acre) tomato fields nearby ready to pick pretty soon. Going to be interesting to see whether Di Mari harvests this year...
TexasBushwhacker
(20,204 posts)I hope that's the case on a broad scale. Frankly, if our food is cheap because of "illegal" immigrant labor, then it's TOO CHEAP. I don't want to pay $5/lb for tomatoes any more than the next person, but I don't like the idea of living large while others suffer. I can buy whole chickens on sale for 99 cents a pound. That's RIDICULOUS. Meanwhile, workers in chicken processing plants are wearing diapers because they aren't getting enough bathroom breaks.
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Dont know what's happening in the citrus business though. They're further north than me.