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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 09:12 AM Mar 2019

Bolton: North Korea 'not willing to do what they needed to do' for nuclear deal

Source: The Hill



BY TAL AXELROD - 03/17/19 07:01 AM EDT

White House national security adviser John Bolton hammered North Korea in an interview broadcast Sunday, saying the country's leader Kim Jong Un was unwilling to take the necessary steps to reach a nuclear deal with the U.S.

“The North Koreans were unfortunately not willing to do what they needed to do. Just last night they issued an unhelpful statement that they’re thinking of going back to nuclear and ballistic missile testing, which would not be a good idea on their part,” Bolton told radio host John Catsimatidis on AM 970 in New York.

“President Trump wants this threat resolved through negotiations,” he added. “He wants North Korea to be free of nuclear weapons, that’s for sure.”

Bolton's comments came after North Korea's Vice Foreign Minister Choe Son Hui asserted Friday that the Trump administration created an "atmosphere of hostility and mistrust" in nuclear negotiations and threatened to resume nuclear and missile tests after refraining from such a move for over a year.



Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/434398-bolton-north-korea-was-not-willing-to-do-what-they-needed-to-do-to

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Bolton: North Korea 'not willing to do what they needed to do' for nuclear deal (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2019 OP
surprise surprise vlyons Mar 2019 #1
For everyone please read up on Bolton and his part of lying us into the Iraq war. olegramps Mar 2019 #7
You do not put people in jail Charlie G Mar 2019 #12
That is why I would encourage you to become aquainted with Bolton's abuses. olegramps Mar 2019 #15
Bolton is not a neo-con, never has been.... DonViejo Mar 2019 #21
You are not serious. End of any discussion. olegramps Mar 2019 #22
Look it up on every site: olegramps Mar 2019 #23
Did I say, or even suggest I didn't think or believe Bolton... DonViejo Mar 2019 #24
It was a reaction of some within Democrats who belived the Party had become too liberal. ie commies. olegramps Mar 2019 #25
I could add tons more, but this seems to have drawn silence. olegramps Mar 2019 #29
Trump is still in love though Legrant Mar 2019 #2
A blind person could have seen this from the beginning of the Trump Administration. nt NCjack Mar 2019 #3
Been a delay tactic to suck up a years time. it was all a joke. Remember west coast... Chin music Mar 2019 #28
Kim will do anything for love, but he won't do that. tanyev Mar 2019 #4
Okay. That got me. underpants Mar 2019 #5
! Ptah Mar 2019 #8
Hah! Great catch! Congrats! n/m machoneman Mar 2019 #9
Does anything in their history of the last 60 years indicate that they would? underpants Mar 2019 #6
Not a thing. Igel Mar 2019 #14
Bolton's negotiating skills are even worse then Trump's. comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #10
I don't doubt North Korea is not sincere in their offers to die-nuclearize. But to blame the Nitram Mar 2019 #11
Gosh, I don't think anybody could have predicted this. Eugene Mar 2019 #13
Trump can mandate a peace prize toy be included in the "Happy Meal" box. Sunlei Mar 2019 #17
NK is the buffer country between Russia & China, he answers to their threats only. Sunlei Mar 2019 #16
Or in front of anti aircraft artillery - close up and personal. Marcuse Mar 2019 #19
"President Trump wants this threat resolved through negotiations," - except do his homework to prepa keithbvadu2 Mar 2019 #18
No shit. Anyone right here on DU couldve told you that. nt oldsoftie Mar 2019 #20
But Trump declared NK was no longer a threat.... Doodley Mar 2019 #26
Bait and Switch- US Duplicity at Hanoi soryang Mar 2019 #27

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
7. For everyone please read up on Bolton and his part of lying us into the Iraq war.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 10:27 AM
Mar 2019

Bolton in a confirmed neo-con and a party to the PNAC document that pushed us into an unjustified war in Iraq. Rather than being in any capacity in government he should be in jail along with Cheney, Bush, Rice, in fact the entire Bush administration.

 

Charlie G

(32 posts)
12. You do not put people in jail
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 11:57 AM
Mar 2019

when they pursue a bad/wrong policy. At least that is true in a free country when no laws of that country are broken. International laws do not count.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
15. That is why I would encourage you to become aquainted with Bolton's abuses.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 01:13 PM
Mar 2019

The falsification of testimony to congress to justify funds for the war effort for starters. That was not a policy decision. There is direct testimony by members of the our security organizations that which they chose to contradict. Also it is a matter of public record in the congress when Bolton was put forth to be the UN ambassador that he provided false testimony to justify the invasion of Iraq.

The National Security Act of 1947 was passed to provide for a professional national security organizations to guard against undue political pressure to influence intelligence and assure that it is objective. In the case of Cheney, he directed Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy of Defense Paul Wolfowitz to establish the pseudo Office of Special Plans at the Pentagon to manufacture intelligence that linked Saddam Hussein to 711 and the development of nuclear weapons when the intelligence officials refused to verify their outrageous lies. Bolton was deeply involved as an additional article will show. An in depth article on their abuse of intelligence, in which Cheney assured the American people that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and could provide them to terrorists such al Qaeda was written by an intelligence officer titled Intelligence and the Presidency was published in the May/June 2017 Foreign Affairs journal written by Jami Miscik former Deputy Director of Intelligence at the CIA.

The January/February issue of the same publication written by Brian McKeon who served as U.S. Principle Undersecretary of Defense for Policy from 2014 to 2017 and Chief Counsel for Senate Foreign Relations Committee from 1997 to 2009 and Caroline Tess who was on the staff of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence from 2003 to 2010 explores the Republican controlled Congress under the Trump administration disregarded Trumps manufacture of intelligence. They urged that Congress that bold action such as in the case of Bolton in 2005 when the Bush administration nominated him for UN ambassador. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee charged Bolton with efforts as a senior State Department official of exaggerating intelligence finding to fit his policy views and his attempts to remove analysts who disagreed with him. He could have been held as accountable to congress for his manufacture of intelligence to mislead duly elected representatives of the people who demand to be provided with factual truth. I find that when over 5,000 of our service men and women lost their lives and tens of thousands maimed for life based on fraudulent testimony is grounds for charges.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
21. Bolton is not a neo-con, never has been....
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 05:39 PM
Mar 2019

Neo-cons were liberals and members of the Democratic party until they became dazzled by Reagan's blarney. Bolton, Cheney, et al were never liberal and never members of our party.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
22. You are not serious. End of any discussion.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 05:41 PM
Mar 2019

From Wiki:
Many of its adherents became politically famous during the Republican presidential administrations of the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s as neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administration of George W. Bush, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[3] Prominent neoconservatives in the George W. Bush administration included Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, and Paul Bremer. While not identifying as neoconservatives, senior officials Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld listened closely to neoconservative advisers regarding foreign policy, especially the defense of Israel and the promotion of American influence in the Middle East.
Historically speaking, the term "neoconservative" refers to those who made the ideological journey from the anti-Stalinist left to the camp of American conservatism during the 1960s and 1970s.[4] The movement had its intellectual roots in the Jewish monthly review magazine Commentary, edited by Norman Podhoretz and published by the American Jewish Committee.[5][6] They spoke out against the New Left and in that way helped define the movement.[7][8]

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
23. Look it up on every site:
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 05:58 PM
Mar 2019

John Bolton: All Must Sacrifice to Make the Neocon Dream a ...
www.renegadetribune.com/john-bolton-all-must-sacrifice-to-make-the...

John Bolton and Mike Pompeo now run US foreign policy. Both want to starve the people of Iran until they are so desperate they revolt, thus allowing the MEK cult of personality—the favored neocon choice—to take over and set-up a bizarre form of totalitarianism, part Marxist and part Islamic.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
24. Did I say, or even suggest I didn't think or believe Bolton...
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:49 PM
Mar 2019

... is a very dangerous maniac?

I stand by my statement, Neo-conservatism was hatched by liberal Dems turned off by "the sixties", then the Vietnam War. They became a formalized/organized philosophy in the late seventies. Bolton et al were members of the GOP'S flying monkey brigade long before the birth of the neo-cons.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
25. It was a reaction of some within Democrats who belived the Party had become too liberal. ie commies.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:10 PM
Mar 2019

It had moved far beyond its original inception by the time of 911 and totally migrated into the Republican camp

From Wiki;JoJohn Bolton: All Must Sacrifice to Make the Neocon Dream a ...
www.renegadetribune.com/john-bolton-all-must-sacrifice-to-make-the...
John Bolton and Mike Pompeo now run US foreign policy. Both want to starve the people of Iran until they are so desperate they revolt, thus allowing the MEK cult of personality—the favored neocon choice—to take over and set-up a bizarre form of totalitarianism, part Marxist and part Islamic.

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was a neo-conservative think tank (1997 to 2006) that had strong ties to the American Enterprise Institute. PNAC's web site said it was "established in the spring of 1997" as "a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership."
PNAC's policy document, "Rebuilding America's Defences," openly advocated for total global military domination. Many PNAC members held highest-level positions in the George W. Bush administration. The Project was an initiative of the New Citizenship Project (501c3). [1]
In 2009 two of PNAC's founders, William Kristol and Robert Kagan, began what some termed "PNAC 2.0," The Foreign Policy Initiative.

The PNAC was co-founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan in 1997[2], with roots in the 1992 Pentagon. PNAC's original 25 signatories were an eclectic mix of academics and neo-conservative politicians, several of whom have subsequently found positions in the presidential administration of George Walker Bush. PNAC is noteworthy for its focus on Iraq, a preoccupation that began before Bush became president and predates the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. In 1998, the group wrote a letter to President Bill Clinton, Mississippi Senator Trent Lott (then Senate Majority Leader) and Newt Gingrich (then Speaker of the House of Representatives), demanding a harder line against Iraq. By then, the group had grown in numbers, adding individuals such as former Reagan-era U.N. Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, and long-time Washington cold warrior/pro-LikudRichard N. Perle.
According to William Rivers Pitt, "Two events brought PNAC into the mainstream of American government: the disputed election of George W. Bush and the attacks of September 11th. When Bush assumed the Presidency, the men who created and nurtured the imperial dreams of PNAC became the men who run the Pentagon, the Defense Department and the White House. When the Towers came down, these men saw, at long last, their chance to turn their White Papers into substantive policy."[3]
Several original PNAC members, including Cheney, Khalilzad and the Bush family, have ties to the oil industry. Many other members have been long-time fixtures in the U.S. military establishment or Cold War "strategic studies," including Elliott Abrams, Dick Cheney, Paula Dobriansky, Aaron Friedberg, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald H. Rumsfeld, John R. Bolton, Vin Weber, and Paul Dundes Wolfowitz. It should not be surprising, therefore, that while the group devotes inordinate attention to Iraq, its most general focus has been on a need to "re-arm America." The prospect of mining oil riches may explain part of the group's focus on Iraq, but this motivation has been buried under the rhetoric of national security and the need for strong national defense.
To justify a need to "rearm" the country, however, reasons must be found. In the more peaceable world of the late 1990s, with no rival super-power in sight, Iraq and "ballistic missile defense" against "rogue states" were the main games in town. The group's links to advocacy for ballistic missile defense came through Donald Rumsfeld, who in 1998 chaired a bi-partisan commission on the "US Ballistic Missile Threat" and Vin Weber, a registered lobbyist for Lockheed Martin and other Fortune 500 companies.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
28. Been a delay tactic to suck up a years time. it was all a joke. Remember west coast...
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 08:45 PM
Mar 2019

missiles incoming from korea last year? The big threat? Stay tuned bc trump gave them another year to hit you.

underpants

(182,861 posts)
6. Does anything in their history of the last 60 years indicate that they would?
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 09:58 AM
Mar 2019

This moron is so fixated on the nukes that almost no public attention is given to the real threat, NK's biggest threat and their trump card (forgive me) the massive amount of artillery pointed directly at Seoul.

Igel

(35,337 posts)
14. Not a thing.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 01:08 PM
Mar 2019

The big difference here is that the cycle from "bad guy -- good guy -- bad guy/status quo" only took less than two years and didn't cost billions of dollars in tribute turned over to the Kim. No oil-for-hidden nuclear development, no food-for-ransom, no political-points-for-reduced-rhetoric. More sanctions, a reduction in the kinds of joint military maneuvers that many considered provocative and wanted stopped unilaterally until 2 years ago.

The downside is that there wasn't any kind of good upside.

The upside is that there wasn't all that much of a positive reward for bad behavior. For either side.

Nitram

(22,845 posts)
11. I don't doubt North Korea is not sincere in their offers to die-nuclearize. But to blame the
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 11:23 AM
Mar 2019

failure of negotiations on North Korea is naive and/or dishonest. The Trump administration did not conduct the hundreds of hours of low-level preparations required for any negotiation between hostile nations to succeed. His entire administration has to pretend they believe Trump's amazing charisma and force of will is enough to persuade a dictator to surrender all his county's nuclear weapons.

Eugene

(61,937 posts)
13. Gosh, I don't think anybody could have predicted this.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 12:11 PM
Mar 2019


Well, that should dash Trump's hopes for a Nobel Peace Prize once and for all.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
17. Trump can mandate a peace prize toy be included in the "Happy Meal" box.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 01:52 PM
Mar 2019
only way this President will win any Noble awards

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
16. NK is the buffer country between Russia & China, he answers to their threats only.
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 01:47 PM
Mar 2019

remember the air port poison liquid slaying of Kims brother? he doesn't want to end up like that.

keithbvadu2

(36,869 posts)
18. "President Trump wants this threat resolved through negotiations," - except do his homework to prepa
Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:02 PM
Mar 2019

“President Trump wants this threat resolved through negotiations,” - except do his homework to prepare.

The master negotiator - isn't.

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