UPDATE:The Florida teen 'infatuated' with Columbine and made threats as she went to Colorado is dead

[BumRushDaShow]

Last edited Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:20 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: CNN

(CNN) (Breaking news update at 12:59 p.m. ET)

Sol Pais, the armed 18-year-old from Florida who made threats and was "infatuated" with Columbine, has been found dead, a law enforcement official told CNN.

"There is no longer a threat to the community," the FBI's Denver office tweeted Wednesday, using the hashtag "#FindSol." "Additional details are not immediately available," the FBI said.

(Previous story, published at 12:28 p.m. ET)
Just days before the 20th anniversary of the Columbine High School massacre, authorities are scrambling to find an armed Florida teen they say is "infatuated" with Columbine and made threats as she traveled to Colorado.
The threats prompted Denver Public Schools and almost 20 other local school districts to close Wednesday.

Read more: https://us.cnn.com/2019/04/17/us/columbine-threat-search-for-woman/index.html

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Original article and headline -

Denver schools closed as FBI searches for an armed woman 'infatuated' with the Columbine shooting

(CNN) - Denver Public Schools and almost 20 other local school districts are closed Wednesday as authorities search for a woman whom they described as armed and "infatuated" with the Columbine mass shooting days before the 20th anniversary of the attack.

Local, state and federal officials are searching for Sol Pais, 18. She made "credible" -- but unspecific -- threats after traveling from Miami to Denver on Monday night, and is considered dangerous, said Dean Phillips, the special agent in charge of the local FBI office.

After she arrived, she immediately went to a store and bought a pump action shotgun and ammunition, the FBI said Tuesday night.

Pais is considered a threat to the community and schools, but there is no information on any specific threat to a particular location, Phillips said.

Here is her picture - from the OP article.



UPDATE

CAPTURED: Sol Pais Taken Into Custody At Mount Evans

CLEAR CREEK COUNTY, Colo. (CBS4) - The massive search for Sol Pais is over. She was captured on Wednesday morning in Clear Creek County. The 18-year-old female suspect was on the run after after making threats that led to the closure of school for more than half a million students on Colorado's Front Range Wednesday.

A SWAT team and a Clear Creek County snowcat were near the Echo Lake Campground in the Arapaho National Forest and in the midst of an extensive search operation Wednesday morning. The search was centered at the base of Mount Evans.


https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/04/17/sol-pais-captured-search-school-threats-colorado-echo-lake-swat-team-mount-evans/

[FailureToCommunicate]

1. "She immediately went to a store and bought a pump action shotgun and ammunition, the

the FBI said Tuesday."

Gee, and I wonder what radio stations she listened to as she drove there from Florida.

[BumRushDaShow]

2. And the irony is that

Columbine happened 2 years before she was born (although she doesn't look like an 18 year old to me but that is another issue).

[FailureToCommunicate]

3. Agreed. Learned hatred is one thing, but being able to waltz in and immediately buy a shotgun and

ammo is quite another.

[better]

27. Ironically, this was my first run-in with stupid gun laws.

And let me start by saying that I'm most certainly not against gun laws.

What I mean is that when I moved into my first place on my own, pretty deep into the dangerous part of town where I grew up, and by which time I had been shooting for at least a dozen years, and already held an expert marksman qualification from the US Army, I went to buy ammo for the one firearm I owned, a .22LR with a whopping 7 round magazine, and was told that I could not, because while it was lawful for me to own the firearm at 18, it was unlawful to sell me ammunition for it, because the law forbade selling to anyone under the age of 21 any type of ammunition which could be chambered in any type of handgun.

So I could not buy ammo for my squirrel gun, but I could walk into a K-Mart and buy a shotgun, packaged with the pistol grip that would be unlawful to mount to it, and as much ammo as I wanted, in any flavor from bird shot that would sting like hell but almost certainly not kill a human, to 1oz lead slugs capable of killing more than one person in one shot. Can't shoot ammo suitable for varmints and target practice, but can shoot ammo you don't actually need to be competent to be deadly with.

One of many reasons for which I wish that legislators on our side would invest more effort in understanding firearms well enough to regulate them effectively.

[okaawhatever]

28. Exactly. I don't know what state, but banning ammo when u can't ban the gun is an end run

around the constitution and exactly what the republicans do with abortion laws. They can't ban abortion so they put up ridiculous road blocks to make sure almost no one can get one. Wrong on both counts. Also, I believe active duty military should get exemptions regardless.

[better]

29. Actually, my argument against that law is significantly more nuanced.

In my opinion, the problem is not the restriction. It's that they restricted the WRONG THING.

Going well beyond the issue of an end run, if you're going to regulate ammunition, you need to understand the relevance of the weapon by which it is being fired. Pistols, by virtue of having a short barrel, have a limited range of accuracy. Something like 50-75 yards. The .22 lr round itself, however, is effective to at least double that, at 150 yards. So it seems to me that there's a more legitimate ground for regulating the chambering of pistols in .22 lr, on the basis of the round being deadly far beyond the range at which it is accurate when fired from a pistol.

It basically comes down to the lawmakers having had an acceptable and even support-worthy goal, but also having inadequate knowledge of the subject to address that goal well. We're seeing the same thing right now with the focus on AR-15's and other similar style "assault rifles", when what actually makes the rifles suited to assault is not the pistol grips or semi-auto actions. It's the stupidly large extended magazines. The more often you have to reload, the less suitable the weapon is for assault, regardless of any other feature.

It really is that simple, but it's easy to fail to recognize that truth if you don't understand how firearms work.

[better]

30. And in fairness, I was not active duty.

But that does touch upon the broader theme that just because we consider something to be a "right" means neither that it cannot be forfeited, nor that it is without obligations by fulfillment of which you must earn and retain it. Even our inalienable "right" to life and liberty are not without limits or obligations, or there could be no such thing as prisons or a death sentence.

The position I would take is that there should be a requirement of certified qualification. Some structure by which it can be verified that you have earned and maintain the right to own a firearm, just like we do to retain the "right" to drive a motor vehicle. Whether active duty military or not.

[Drahthaardogs]

32. Bird shot will certainly kill a human at close range

I saw a 350 lb black bear killed with #6 shot when it broke into a grouse hunters camper while he was sleeping.

[Demsrule86]

35. She was a mentally ill child.. And I fought for care for my depressed daughter for several years

Now. It cost me $2000.00 in the last two weeks out of pocket...My daughter would not harm others ...but has attempted to harm herself. I found a hospital in cleveland started by doctors to have different treatment than the 'treat and street` approach. Where someone is hospitalized for a week and discharged with a pill bottle and little if any follow up care.

[Blue_Tires]

7. It gets worse:

Link to tweet

[kag]

21. Bingo.

My kids went to high school in neighboring Boulder Valley School District, which also closed today out of security concerns. I lived in fear every day (some days better than others, but it was always in the back of my mind) because guns in this state are waaaaayyyyy too easy to get.

After Sandy Hook, some brave state congresspeople passed a few weak laws to try to do something about gun availability, and some of the counties north of here LOST. THEIR. MINDS. and threatened to secede from the state (to which I said "good riddance" ).

One of my favorite state politicians, Evie Hudak, had to resign her seat in the legislature because of the ensuing politics.

We're a mess.

[Blue_Tires]

23. Yeah, I definitely remember Colorado's craziness after Sandy Hook

[riversedge]

4. seen wearing a black T-shirt, camouflage pants and black boots, .... she is dressed for action......

....."Her comments, her actions that we have heard about from others tend to cause us great concern that she may pose a threat to a school," he added.
Officials released an image of Pais. She is about 5-foot-5 and was last seen wearing a black T-shirt, camouflage pants and black boots, authorities said.
Authorities said they are being especially cautious because Pais' statements don't express a specific plan and were mostly spoken.
"She did make statements that were threatening to schools and she did purchase a firearm ... and that's why she's a credible threat," said Patricia Billinger, a spokeswoman with the Colorado Department of Public Safety.

[JDC]

5. My wife is home(teaches), kids are home. This is what freedom looks like

In America today.

[IronLionZion]

6. The price of freedom

is paid by school children

[Paladin]

8. Hope all those Colorado sheriffs are happy about this.

You know---the ones who threatened to give up their jobs, rather than enforce laws designed to keep guns out of dangerous hands. Fucking assholes.

[ellie]

10. I know right?

[dangermouse2017]

15. ACAB

*NT

[Paladin]

22. ACAB "All Cops Are Bastards"

I don't believe that about cops; I just figured I'd save my fellow Old Farts a trip to Urban Dictionary.

[SharonClark]

24. I don't believe it either.

No more than I believe ADIFA "All DUers are Ignorant Fucking Assholes".

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

9. Sounds like just the kind of person who shouldve been put under an Extreme Risk Protection

Order..... if she was in one of the states that have these.

[Eugene]

11. Colorado news outlets reporting that Pais has been found.

TV news bulletin. No details yet.

[BumRushDaShow]

12. Found a story here -

CLEAR CREEK COUNTY, Colo. (CBS4) – The massive search for Sol Pais is over. She was captured on Wednesday morning in Clear Creek County. The 18-year-old female suspect was on the run after after making threats that led to the closure of school for more than half a million students on Colorado’s Front Range Wednesday.

A SWAT team and a Clear Creek County snowcat were near the Echo Lake Campground in the Arapaho National Forest and in the midst of an extensive search operation Wednesday morning. The search was centered at the base of Mount Evans.


https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/04/17/sol-pais-captured-search-school-threats-colorado-echo-lake-swat-team-mount-evans/

[Eugene]

13. Thanks for the update.

[BumRushDaShow]

14. And thank YOU for the heads-up!!!!

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Further update - she was found dead.

(I updated the OP)

[Sancho]

17. People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

[Blackjackdavey]

33. great list

The only thing I would take out is the examined by professional part in bullet 2. As one of the professionals who are called upon to do that sort of thing, I know that part wouldn't have the meaningful impact we'd like -- it's a lot like police profiling -- open to abuse and a false sense of security. Additionally, those exams would need to be paid out of pocket, everybody but the most apparently mentally ill would not present the medical necessity required for insurance coverage and the vast majority of intentional killers have anti-social personality disorder which, as one of the primary hallmarks, includes the ability to charm and to "pass." Therefore, it would place a burden on an already burdened behavioral health system with little gain.

[duhneece]

34. Best comments and suggestions

Ever

[Sapient Donkey]

18. Crappy ending, but it could have been worse.

[RhodeIslandOne]

19. She looked a lot older than 18

Not that it matters when buying a gun.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. I said the exact same thing in this thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142304085#post2

She looks like someone in their 20s.... But it is what it is.

[TexasBushwhacker]

25. Girls mature faster

I could walk into a 7-11 and buy beer without being carded when I was 16 (drinking age was 18). Then I went into a holding pattern when I was in my 20s and got carded til I was 30.

[RhodeIslandOne]

26. Maybe

My fiance looked like she was 15 when she was 20 and looks like she's 25 now that she's 35, we all can't be so lucky.

[Dave Starsky]

31. Well, as Indiana Jones, said...

It's not the years, it's the mileage.

I would have guessed she was 30 or more, from her pictures. God only knows what she dealt with in her life.