Film protest: Egypt PM urges US to end 'insults'
Source: BBC
Egypt's Prime Minister Hisham Qandil has said the US must do all it can to stop people insulting Islam.
In an interview with BBC Arabic, Mr Qandil said it was "unacceptable to insult our Prophet" but also not right for peaceful protests to turn violent.
His comments come amid protests in the Middle East and north Africa over an anti-Islam film made in the US.
A man suspected of being involved in making in the film is being questioned by US probation officers.
Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19612408
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jsr
(7,712 posts)This guy Hisham Qandil lived and went to school in the U.S.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I've read that Osama Bin Lauden's experiences living in the US are part of what radicalized him
cali
(114,904 posts)knows something about what? And as Osama bin Laden never lived in the U.S., it would be hard for him to have been radicalized because of it.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)The question of whether Osama bin Laden has ever visited the United States, a subject on which I have expended an unhealthy amount of energy in the course of various journalistic and biographical research, has now seemingly been settled. Osama was here for two weeks in 1979, it seems, and he visited Indiana and Los Angeles, among other places. He had a favorable encounter with an American medical doctor; he also reportedly met in Los Angeles with his spiritual mentor of the time, the Palestinian radical Abdullah Azzam. All this is according to a forthcoming book by Osama’s first wife, Najwa Bin Laden, and his son Omar Bin Laden, to be published in the autumn by St. Martins Press
In the autumn of 2005, while conducting research in Saudi Arabia for the book that became “The Bin Ladens: An Arabian Family in the American Century,” I met a Saudi journalist named Khaled Batarfi, who had been a neighbor and friend of Osama Bin Laden in their teenage years. During one of our interviews, Batarfi offered an account of Osama’s early travels—to London, to Africa on Safari, and to the United States—that was suggestive of a young man who had more direct experience of the West than was generally understood. Batarfi’s account of Osama’s American trip was particularly striking. In December of that year, I wrote a story for this magazine about the private high school Osama had attended in Jedda, and how he was first introduced to the tenets of radical Islamic politics. In that story, I also reported Batarfi’s on-the-record but unconfirmed account of Osama’s visit to America; Batarfi believed the travel had occurred not long before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, in 1979. U.S. customs and immigration records from the relevant period had been routinely destroyed—and so the question of whether Osama had personal experience of America, and what that experience might have been, remained elusive. (Bin Laden has never referred to any trip to this country in his writings or statements.) While I found Batarfi to be credible, a single-source account, based on hearsay, could hardly be regarded as satisfactory.
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/stevecoll/2009/06/osama-in-america-the-final-answer.html#ixzz26aRGoLaH
however you never answered me here maybe you forgot?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014211249#post34 would you please be so gracious now?
cali
(114,904 posts)maybe. I doubt, dear, that that had much to do with formulating his views.
Answered you about what?
And your post is still murky as shit.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)he certainly knows better about what the US government can and cannot do.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)...and the right to be insulting is as dear to us as the sanctity of Mohammad is to many Muslims.
octothorpe
(962 posts)must prevent its citizens from insulting Islam... At least that is how I read it, perhaps I'm wrong.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)It's unfortunate that he doesn't understand that our government doesn't have the power to do that.
DBoon
(22,383 posts)When riots erupt across the world because of a poorly made low-budget almost unknown film, somehow I don't think the issue is whether the US government "allows" this
We can't really do anything. Nor should we. They just need to grow up, as a culture. If they hate us so much, then we just need to pull our people out and not send them money. Watch how quickly things collapse over there. And when their cities are burning and 100's of thousands are people are dead and dying, maybe they can change their tunes. Make some changes culturally. Most of the problems they have is because of this fetish they have in the religion. And when parents are murdering their children over the 'honor' component of that culture, it's clear that changes need to be made. And the US shouldn't try to force these changes. But we shouldn't let our people die and spend trillions on keeping their civilization to ther despite the culture. Let nature take its course. The survivors can decide what tgey want out of life.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)these people to be civilized. They're going to do what they are going to do. If they want to murder each other for cultural and religious reasons, we can't stop them. We're just going to spend trillions of dollars and American lives for... what exactly? They hate us over there. And they think that we have to give a crap about their religion, under penalty of death. That they have the right to kill us and destroy our property for real or imagined slights against their faith. Let's see how much they hate us when we aren't dying to protect them from each other. When we aren't spending trillions feeding them or building them homes. Karzi keeps telling us that we need to leave. So we pack up and leave. How long will it be until his government falls? Hold on... I'll grab my stop watch.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)this is for domestic consumption. He is defending the Faith against the evil foreign heretics.
Like if a president were to demand China release Tibet. Obviously that isn't going to happen and he knows it. But it might make some voters think he's tough and decisive.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)He should realize that in a democracy--which Egypt purports to be--people have a right to be insulting to institutions of power.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)maybe we should demand they respect our beliefs and forcibly institute both of those at a national level.
Redford
(373 posts)but I reserve the right to do so.
randome
(34,845 posts)Revere his religion? He's giving ammunition to the crazy Michelle Bachmanns in the world.
Igel
(35,332 posts)Doesn't mean they're not crazy.
My brother-in-law thought the queen of England was working for the CIA and living in the next door neighbor's house so she could spy on him. Nonetheless, when he attacked somebody and was arrested he recognized that the man in the blue suit and fancy car with lights on top was a policeman, had a gun, and so my BIL didn't resist.
Bachmann was paraphrased as saying that "they" wanted to impose sharia when "they" were quoted as saying they wanted to have defamation of the Prophet and religion criminalized. The retort was that "they" didn't use "sharia" (neither, in fact, did Bachmann), missing the point that under sharia defaming the Prophet and religion is criminal.
In other words, ammo's provided already. When even those Western-educated and trained are retrograde, what hope is there for the newly funded scions of poor, traditional families?
aka-chmeee
(1,132 posts)before I was born. As in the case of any other "god", or agent thereof, they should be able to handle any blasphemous utterance themselves, seeing how they are omnipotent and all. However, I will agree to not insult their prophet or whatever if they will promise to stop insulting my intelligence on such a regular basis. This promise applies equally to all religions with over-sensitive and violent practitioners.
Hey Jude
(67 posts)could we at least get a break on oil prices?
SayitAintSo
(2,207 posts)
msongs
(67,430 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I know he was a Coptic Christian, but still how does that equate to the US insulting Islam?
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Mr. Qandil needs to understand that this is the 21st Century, and that nobody has a right to live in a world where insults to one thing or another don't exist.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The consumption will be international.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)You know that word. It's one of the most important concepts of a civilized culture.
We do not need to pander to the intolerant. The intolerant need to evolve.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Igel
(35,332 posts)And those who adhere said opinions are entitled to having their dissent and disagreement respectfully noted.
Those insulting can even disagree with the dissent and disagreement.
But the spilling of blood and destruction of property is where it stops. Then it's not a reasonable response to criticism or insult, but intolerance.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)No more insults.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Whose prophets is it acceptable to insult?
Joseph Smith is fair game, right?
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)that is to say absolutely nothing according to our laws.
Now could you get your people to stop attacking ours? That is within your power.
fujiyama
(15,185 posts)Why don't you fucking do a decent job protecting Coptic Christians, women, and other minorities from psychos in your party? Or are you one of those psychos?
Yes, this may be Egyptian democracy, but I don't have to actually care to respect a crazy religious fundamentalist party. And the sad thing is, the Muslim Brotherhood is the moderate of the religious parties. The Salafists are even crazier...
The sad thing is these people just don't understand that one idiot burning a Koran, or making a bad movie doesn't represent over 300 000 000 people with different opinions and viewpoints and the ability and right to express such opinions. Maybe Morsi should just go ahead and do what Mubarak did and just block the internet. Voila! No more insults. And there ya go Egypt, meet the new boss...
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)A former eqyptian and and a handful of other fundie lunatics that no one knows and no one gives 2 shits about is. Just because his country is run by fundie assholes doesn't mean our's is going to start jailing people for their speech.
Someone needs to explain to these asshats what freedom of speech means and how it works in our country.
zellie
(437 posts)except when he doesn't like it.
Sorry pal, suck on it .
rachel1
(538 posts)other fundie scumbags who think it's acceptable to incite hatred towards Muslims and to slander their religion to provoke riots like the ones that occurred in Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Tunisia, etc.
Trying him in the International Court of Justice would be even better!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If not - wow.
rachel1
(538 posts)Do you honestly think that fucktards such as Sam Bacile and Terry Jones DON'T have blood on their hands for what they've done?
Is the violence directed towards the US embassies and US diplomatic staff not enough to comprehend the consequences of what they've knowingly caused in the Middle East and worldwide?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That turned out to be a made up name.
That aside, do you really think this warrants the International Court of Justice getting involved?
That seemed like hyperbole, which made me suspect that your post was satirical.
Anyone who commits a violent act because they are offended by the existence a YouTube video ought to be the one who should face criminal charges. Not the other way around.
mykpart
(3,879 posts)at Islam or Mohammed being insulted. They even have a right to get really angry about it. They have a right to bitch and complain and even make fun of Christianity and Jesus. They have a right to take to the streets and protest, even shout. What they do NOT have the right to do is kill people or even hurt them. I think this is pretty much what Secretary Clinton said. Just as we teach our children that if they are bullied, they still cannot kill the bully, Muslims must learn about appropriate response. If that offends anyone, deal with it.
Bragi
(7,650 posts)Too bad the US government refuses to explain to the world that the First Amendment allows people in the US to engage in free speech -- including *offensive* free speech -- and there is nothing the US government can or should do to stop them,
This is a core American VALUE!
Sadly, not a single major representative of the US has found the courage to say anything about free speech in the context of the anti-Muslim film, and how BLASPHEMY IS LEGAL in the US.
What is sad is that the silence of the US on free speech actually helps the jihadists spread the false claim that the mere existence of this film means it was approved/endorsed by the US government, and generally represents the views of Americans.
The only antidote to that is to explain what free speech means in America. Too bad the pols are too scared to talk about it.
desertduck
(213 posts)