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kag

(4,079 posts)
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 05:48 PM Aug 2019

House Dems Finally Ask For Millions Of Brett Kavanaugh's Hidden Documents

Source: Huffington Post

The House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday requested the National Archives produce millions of documents from Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s time in President George W. Bush’s administration.

Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.), chairman of a subcommittee with oversight of federal courts, made the request. Activist groups have long been demanding an investigation into Kavanaugh’s background, claiming the Senate Judiciary Committee failed to carry one out before approving his nomination last year.

Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/brett-kavanaugh-investigation_n_5d49d56ce4b01ae816c9c6a4



About damn time!
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House Dems Finally Ask For Millions Of Brett Kavanaugh's Hidden Documents (Original Post) kag Aug 2019 OP
Good luck with that Rebl2 Aug 2019 #1
Didn't they dismiss at least one pending case? forgotmylogin Aug 2019 #8
They won't get them... and I doubt they'll be surprised FBaggins Aug 2019 #2
I love it anyway :) n/t jaysunb Aug 2019 #3
x2 nt iluvtennis Aug 2019 #10
I am pleased to hear this! mysteryowl Aug 2019 #4
+1000 Kurt V. Aug 2019 #6
We should not be impeaching him until a Dem president can nominate a replacement. ehrnst Aug 2019 #14
Understood. mysteryowl Aug 2019 #15
Right, we're the activists. Not him. Pfffffth. mahina Aug 2019 #5
And how will they enforce compliance? BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2019 #7
From the article: ehrnst Aug 2019 #21
Thankyou! BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2019 #24
Impeachment won't get rid of him.... ehrnst Aug 2019 #25
No, I know that's what would happen if we impeached now... BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2019 #26
A little late... Luciferous Aug 2019 #9
Late? You really want him impeached while Trump can name his replacement? (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #12
He'll never be impeached and removed Polybius Aug 2019 #16
If there is evidence, and we get a Dem POTUS and Dem Senate... (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #19
A President is irrelevant in impeachment of a judge or Justice, as they have no say in the matter Polybius Aug 2019 #28
A Dem POTUS would be the one appointing the replacement justice. ehrnst Aug 2019 #29
There won't be a replacement for 30 years Polybius Aug 2019 #30
I explained why a Dem POTUS would be relevant. ehrnst Aug 2019 #31
Yes you did Polybius Aug 2019 #32
Why did I need to? ehrnst Aug 2019 #33
Well, you're the one talking about it Polybius Aug 2019 #34
I said if. I didn't say when. We can't even say when the next Democratic POTUS ehrnst Aug 2019 #35
I did Polybius Aug 2019 #36
I said IF.... we got a Dem POTUS and Senate ehrnst Aug 2019 #37
Now re-read my last reply Polybius Aug 2019 #38
No, you posited a false dillema. ehrnst Aug 2019 #39
And I said if I misunderstood you thaen I'm sorry Polybius Aug 2019 #40
I think you understood me just fine. ehrnst Aug 2019 #41
No I don't want you to say that at all Polybius Aug 2019 #42
OK. ehrnst Aug 2019 #43
Yep, I think at this point we are stuck with him. Luciferous Aug 2019 #27
The sending of the letter establishes an evidence trail Farmer-Rick Aug 2019 #11
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #13
They have to try to get them even if refused. riversedge Aug 2019 #17
Does the request include info on how the large debts of Kavanaugh were paid off RT Atlanta Aug 2019 #18
Unless they were part of his correspondence or work related docs during the Bush Administration ehrnst Aug 2019 #20
Didn't GW Bush say it was ok for these documents DeminPennswoods Aug 2019 #22
Millions? nt. BlueIdaho Aug 2019 #23

forgotmylogin

(7,529 posts)
8. Didn't they dismiss at least one pending case?
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:09 PM
Aug 2019

He's a judge now, so he gets a permanent Get Out of Jail Free card.

FBaggins

(26,744 posts)
2. They won't get them... and I doubt they'll be surprised
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 06:17 PM
Aug 2019

Even the Senate would have a tough time winning that battle when the documents related to an attorney in the counsel's office. The only reason Senate Judiciary might theoretically get them is that they get to vote on nominations and could say that "they may be privileged but we won't vote on you without them" (obviously not going to happen in that Senate).

Tying the request to legislative priorities is pretty weak sauce. I doubt that many judges (especially knowing that the target sits above them) would give them much.

But I also doubt that's the point. This is for the headline. They know Trump will say no (not sure when since they give no deadline)... and we can add it to the list of things they're withholding.

mysteryowl

(7,390 posts)
4. I am pleased to hear this!
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 06:47 PM
Aug 2019

Thank you to the activists groups keeping the pressure on!!!!
Thank you for your work!!!


Yeah to activists groups!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
14. We should not be impeaching him until a Dem president can nominate a replacement.
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 11:44 AM
Aug 2019

And a Dem Senate can make sure that the nominee is seated.

mysteryowl

(7,390 posts)
15. Understood.
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 12:34 PM
Aug 2019

Yet, I say bring on the inquiry and get into it. Congress will move slow anyway, especially if they actually move forward to impeach trump.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
21. From the article:
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 02:11 PM
Aug 2019
The National Archives must turn over documents requested by a congressional committee chairman with relevant oversight authority. The White House, however, could intervene and declare privilege over the documents to prevent their disclosure, or it could slow the process down in a number of ways that could have the effect of blocking disclosure.

But that only goes so far. Kavanaugh has a lifetime appointment, and President Donald Trump does not. If a Democrat wins the presidency in 2020 and the party maintains control of at least one branch of Congress, there would be no means to block disclosure of these Kavanaugh documents.


Being as that we don't want to impeach him now, documenting resistance or interference on his behalf by this administration will be useful in a future impeachment case when we have a Dem POTUS and Senate.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
25. Impeachment won't get rid of him....
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 06:14 PM
Aug 2019

And he'll just do a victory lap when the GOP Senate votes not to convict.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
26. No, I know that's what would happen if we impeached now...
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 06:20 PM
Aug 2019

I just *wish* he’d disappear. Mitch, too, while I’m wishing.

Polybius

(15,423 posts)
16. He'll never be impeached and removed
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 12:50 PM
Aug 2019

Sorry to sound negative, but his replacement will be ready around 2052.

Polybius

(15,423 posts)
28. A President is irrelevant in impeachment of a judge or Justice, as they have no say in the matter
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 10:55 PM
Aug 2019

What kind of "Dem Senate" are you expecting? You need 67 votes to remove. We're never going to see super-majorities like that again.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
29. A Dem POTUS would be the one appointing the replacement justice.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 07:20 AM
Aug 2019

That's a very relevant consideration when impeaching a justice.

And I said "if" we got a Dem Senate.

Polybius

(15,423 posts)
30. There won't be a replacement for 30 years
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 10:18 AM
Aug 2019

There’s zero chance we’re getting 67 votes to remove. A “Dem Senate” is 51 Democrats out of 100. You need 67 out of 100 to remove.

Polybius

(15,423 posts)
32. Yes you did
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 12:05 PM
Aug 2019

But you didn’t explain where 67 Democratic Senators are coming from. You need 67 out of 100 to convict. No Republican is going to vote to convict Kavanaugh, especially with a Democratic president picking his replacement.

Polybius

(15,423 posts)
34. Well, you're the one talking about it
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 12:10 PM
Aug 2019

But to remove and convict requires 67 votes. Im just asking an honest question. Do you think we can get the 67 votes?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
35. I said if. I didn't say when. We can't even say when the next Democratic POTUS
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 12:32 PM
Aug 2019

will be elected for certain.

Go back and read the thread...



Polybius

(15,423 posts)
36. I did
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 02:38 PM
Aug 2019

It read it like you seemed that you thought impeachment and removal was a possibility. If you don’t think that, then my bad.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
37. I said IF.... we got a Dem POTUS and Senate
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 02:41 PM
Aug 2019

Go back and read my posts if you don't believe me.

Again... nothing is sure, nothing is certain in 2020. Not even a Dem POTUS. If you want guarantees, go see a psychic.

If you're convinced none if it will never happen, that's your prediction. You seem to be rather upset that someone doesn't agree with you lockstep, submit to your opinion, and declare you "the winner!"

Polybius

(15,423 posts)
38. Now re-read my last reply
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 02:46 PM
Aug 2019

My last post I said if I misread you, then my bad. My bad means I’m sorry. That’s the part where you’re supposed to say “no problem, no hard feelings.”

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
39. No, you posited a false dillema.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 02:50 PM
Aug 2019

That is a problem, and doesn't inspire good feelings.

But if you're wanting to be "forgiven" for doing that, fine. Consider yourself forgiven.



 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
41. I think you understood me just fine.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 02:54 PM
Aug 2019

I think you wanted me to say you are right and I am wrong.

I am doing neither.

This is the part where you realize that you are not going to get the answer you want from me.







Polybius

(15,423 posts)
42. No I don't want you to say that at all
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 03:07 PM
Aug 2019

Just like with jokes, sometimes it needs to be explained before I say ooooohhhh!

I just want you to know it wasn’t intentional because there would be no point in that. Republicans jump into things to stir up trouble.

Farmer-Rick

(10,179 posts)
11. The sending of the letter establishes an evidence trail
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 08:59 AM
Aug 2019

It's like putting a book mark on Brett's crimes. Even if no data is received it sets up a record of concern to move forward on impeachment later when we have taken back our government.

RT Atlanta

(2,517 posts)
18. Does the request include info on how the large debts of Kavanaugh were paid off
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 01:32 PM
Aug 2019

That's another piece of the puzzle that we, the people, should know and understand. Who paid the debts for him (if he didnt himself) and, if someone paid the debts for him, did Kavanaugh pay taxes on that extra income?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
20. Unless they were part of his correspondence or work related docs during the Bush Administration
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 02:03 PM
Aug 2019

I doubt they would be in the request to the Archives.

The article didn't talk about any other Kavanaugh documents that the commitee might be seeking from other sources.

I imagine that these are going to be used as evidence to show that he perjured himself during testimony concerning his statements on his time in the administration.



DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
22. Didn't GW Bush say it was ok for these documents
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 02:35 PM
Aug 2019

to be released? That sticks in my mind, but please correct me if I'm wrong about it.

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