Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament
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Source: BBC
The Queen will be asked by the government to suspend Parliament just days after MPs return to work in September - and only a few weeks before the Brexit deadline.
BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg says it will make way for Boris Johnson's new administration to hold a Queen's Speech - laying out the government's plans - on 14 October.
But it means MPs are unlikely to have time to pass any laws that could stop the prime minister taking the UK out of the EU without a deal on 31 October.
A No 10 source said: "It's time a new government and new PM set out a plan for the country after we leave the EU."
Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632
The crazy bastard is doing it
EDIT: as a side note, this is apparently the longest Parliament since the English Civil War, so the precedent backs Johnson on this. It's just that "by amazing coincidence" the proroguement happens right in the run-up to a no-deal Brexit.
BumRushDaShow
(129,084 posts)Back in May there were a bunch of articles about her sentiment on the EU from declassified cables -
Philip Oltermann in Berlin
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Sun 19 May 2019 09.36 EDT
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The Queen confided to the German ambassador that she believed the future of Britain lay in Europe, newly released diplomatic cables from 1988 have shown. Some have not realised this yet, the monarch allegedly said of her subjects. She also appeared to back the creation of the single market.
In a memo composed on the occasion of his farewell visit to the British head of state on 25 November 1988, the then ambassador Rüdiger Freiherr von Wechmar reported that the conversation during an emphatically warm and unrestrained meeting had moved on to the subject of the British peoples attitude to Europe.
With a smirk, Wechmar wrote, she noted that the Brits are still a very insular people, and to most of them the magical number 1992 doesnt mean very much. That was a reference to the fact that, two years previously, European leaders including the then prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, had signed the Single European Act, which set the member states of the bloc the objective of establishing a single market by the end of 1992, a commitment that culminated in the Maastricht treaty.
When the German diplomat praised a well-funded campaign by the trade secretary, David Young, aimed at advocating the benefits of the single market, the Queen replied: Its about time.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/19/the-queen-future-of-britain-in-europe-diplomatic-cables-germany
Recursion
(56,582 posts)But the likelihood is it would end the monarchy if she went against precedent like that. The more likely option is that the Tory remainers bite the bullet and support Corbyn in a vote of no confidence, though they need to move fast if they want that to happen.
BumRushDaShow
(129,084 posts)I saw yesterday that Labour was trying to cobble together some options because it is now or never.
BumRushDaShow
(129,084 posts)By Karla Adam
August 28 at 6:15 AM
LONDON Prime Minister Boris Johnson was accused on Wednesday of outrageous and deeply dangerous behavior after he asked to ask Queen Elizabeth II to temporarily shut down Parliament from the middle of September. The impact of a suspending Parliament would mean that opposition lawmakers would have less time to try and stop Britain from leaving the European Union without a deal.
Johnson told reporters that he had asked Queen Elizabeth II to give her customary speech outlining the countrys legislative agenda in mid-October, effectively suspending the body between Sept. 11 and Oct. 14. Britain is expected to leave the European Union on Oct. 31. The idea of suspending or proroguing Parliament at this crucial time in the Brexit process sparked howls of outrage from many lawmakers, including from some within the governing Conservative Party.
Dominic Grieve, a Conservative lawmaker, said that suspending Parliament would be outrageous and he would vote with opposition lawmakers in a vote of no confidence. Yvette Cooper, a Labour lawmaker, said: Boris Johnson is trying to use the Queen to concentrate power in his own hands this is a deeply dangerous and irresponsible way to govern. The queen is on holiday in Scotland at her Balmoral residence.
Tom Brake, the Brexit spokesman for the pro-E.U. Liberal Democrats, tweeted that if the reports on the BBC are accurate, then Johnson has thrown down the gauntlet to Parliamentary democracy. The mother of all Parliaments will not allow him to shut the #PeoplesParliament out of the biggest decision facing our country, he said. His declaration of war will be met with an iron fist.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/boris-johnson-accused-of-deeply-dangerous-behavior-after-reports-he-will-shutter-parliament-ahead-of-brexit/2019/08/28/6bca5988-c96f-11e9-a1fe-ca46e8d573c0_story.html
MBS
(9,688 posts)The OP (Recursion):
and Yvette Cooper, above:
I can't decide whether it's reassuring or scary (OK, 90% the latter) that the UK has gotten itself into as much as existential crisis as we have.
Can this maniac be stopped? If ever a vote of "no confidence" would be in order, this would seem to be it.
BumRushDaShow
(129,084 posts)"The crazy bastard is doing it"
But all I can imagine is someone like Bannon howling with glee because he was part of this nightmare and used that experience to then create yet another nightmare here in the U.S. with the 2016 Presidential election.
MBS
(9,688 posts)edited my post to direct credit more accurately
crazytown
(7,277 posts)There was more than one reason for dumping George III. Parliament sits at the pleasure of his/her 'Majesty'.
brooklynite
(94,592 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:34 AM - Edit history (1)
MPs working on a plan to block Boris Johnson from proroguing parliament have reacted with fury to his decision to suspend MPs from sitting for five weeks from early September, calling it reckless, constitutionally wrong and a threat to democracy.
The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, said the prime ministers plan was an outrage and a threat to our democracy.
The Conservative MP and former attorney general Dominic Grieve said he was working on a plan to organise a humble address, which is a direct call from the Commons to the Queen.
He said: I think the decision to prorogue for five weeks is constitutionally wrong and frankly outrageous. I dont think parliament can stop prorogation although there may be something that parliament can do to register its deep concern.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/28/mps-react-with-fury-to-boris-johnsons-plan-to-suspend-parliament
brooklynite
(94,592 posts)Denzil_DC
(7,242 posts)Where precedent doesn't back Johnson is that this would be an abnormally long prorogation (five weeks; the longest in the last 40 years has been three weeks).
Johnson didn't even have the courtesy (or guts) to inform the Speaker of the House, John Bercow:
The gap between suspending Parliament and the Queen's Speech that kicks off the new session need only be a matter of days.
This is blatant manipulation of the UK Constitution and procedures, and shows up the lies about hardcore Leavers' much-touted respect for "democracy".
It's being challenged in the Court of Session in Edinburgh during an ongoing case, and those pursuing the case (including sitting MPs) are now seeking an urgent interim order to block Johnson's move.
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)Unfortunately, the Downing Street spin seems to have reached DU.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Denzil_DC
(7,242 posts)I don't know that you do, but some people seem to think that the fact she in theory has certain vestiges of power means she's likely to exercise them in reality. She'll advise, she'll express opinions in private (and very rarely indeed drop hints that are made public), but she won't intervene in any meaningful sense, much as we (even the republicans, i.e. non-royalists, among us) might wish she would.
What I do believe is that she won't have appreciated being further embroiled in this perversion of "democracy".
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)A day or two from when he became PM to the summer recess, a week and a day before this proposed end of this parliament, and just over 2 weeks after the new one starts till Oct 31st. The 5 weeks he wants to take off have no precedent.
This is the closest thing the UK has had to a coup in its entire history. When James II was chucked out in favour of William III and Mary II, we weren't even the United Kingdom, but 2 separate kingdoms of England and Scotland. And that was 1688. When the supremacy of parliament was established, that Johnson is now trying overturn.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)And now that I'm in France I'm really concerned about what the impact of a crash-out on this side of the channel is going to be.
lonely bird
(1,685 posts)That was changed in 2011. It takes 2/3 of the House of Commons to dissolve parliament.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's still the same Parliament until the next Queen's Speech which, by stunning coincidence, is scheduled for early November.
Eugene
(61,900 posts)https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/boris-johnson-accused-of-deeply-dangerous-behavior-after-reports-he-will-shutter-parliament-ahead-of-brexit/2019/08/28/6bca5988-c96f-11e9-a1fe-ca46e8d573c0_story.html
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Checkmate
Denzil_DC
(7,242 posts)Parliament is still in session, and will have a few more days to act in the next month or so. It's up to the opposition to get its act together, finally.
There's also the (albeit slim) possibility that the Court of Session in Edinburgh may put a spanner in the works.