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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:43 AM Aug 2019

Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

Last edited Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:32 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: BBC

The Queen will be asked by the government to suspend Parliament just days after MPs return to work in September - and only a few weeks before the Brexit deadline.

BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg says it will make way for Boris Johnson's new administration to hold a Queen's Speech - laying out the government's plans - on 14 October.

But it means MPs are unlikely to have time to pass any laws that could stop the prime minister taking the UK out of the EU without a deal on 31 October.

A No 10 source said: "It's time a new government and new PM set out a plan for the country after we leave the EU."

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49493632



The crazy bastard is doing it

EDIT: as a side note, this is apparently the longest Parliament since the English Civil War, so the precedent backs Johnson on this. It's just that "by amazing coincidence" the proroguement happens right in the run-up to a no-deal Brexit.
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Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament (Original Post) Recursion Aug 2019 OP
And what if she doesn't agree? BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #1
If the Privy Council is unanimously against it there's a chance Recursion Aug 2019 #2
Thanks! BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #3
Here is a WaPo update BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #4
Two phrases sum up the situation in just a few words MBS Aug 2019 #6
Have to give credit to Recursion for the 1-phrase summary BumRushDaShow Aug 2019 #7
thanks for the correction MBS Aug 2019 #8
Never let the Brits say they have the best constitution in the world. crazytown Aug 2019 #5
UPDATE: MPs react with fury to Boris Johnson's plan to suspend parliament brooklynite Aug 2019 #9
UPDATE: Parliament Speaker Bercow calls this a Constitutional Outrage brooklynite Aug 2019 #10
"the precedent backs Johnson on this" Denzil_DC Aug 2019 #11
You're right - this is not normal, not by a long chalk. TubbersUK Aug 2019 #15
Yes, I meant in terms of giving the Queen political cover to deny the request (nt) Recursion Aug 2019 #19
It would have been unthinkable for the Queen to deny the "request". Denzil_DC Aug 2019 #21
He became PM 14 weeks before the deadline; he wants parliament to sit for just 4 weeks in that time muriel_volestrangler Aug 2019 #12
When the last comparable example is Cromwell, you have a problem Recursion Aug 2019 #20
The Queen cannot dissolve parliament anymore. lonely bird Aug 2019 #13
This is a proroguement, not a dissolution Recursion Aug 2019 #14
Queen approves Boris Johnson's request to suspend Parliament ahead of Brexit deadline Eugene Aug 2019 #16
That's it, then Recursion Aug 2019 #18
Well, there are a few possible slips yet between cup and lip. Denzil_DC Aug 2019 #22
quelle surprise. n/t malthaussen Aug 2019 #17

BumRushDaShow

(129,084 posts)
1. And what if she doesn't agree?
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:04 AM
Aug 2019


Back in May there were a bunch of articles about her sentiment on the EU from declassified cables -

'Future of Britain is in Europe,' the Queen told Germany in 1988

Philip Oltermann in Berlin
@philipoltermann

Sun 19 May 2019 09.36 EDT
Last modified on Sun 19 May 2019 16.10 EDT

The Queen confided to the German ambassador that she believed the future of Britain lay in Europe, newly released diplomatic cables from 1988 have shown. “Some have not realised this yet,” the monarch allegedly said of her subjects. She also appeared to back the creation of the single market.

In a memo composed on the occasion of his farewell visit to the British head of state on 25 November 1988, the then ambassador Rüdiger Freiherr von Wechmar reported that the conversation during an “emphatically warm and unrestrained” meeting had moved on to the subject of the British people’s attitude to Europe.

“With a smirk,” Wechmar wrote, “she noted that the Brits are still a very insular people, and to most of them the magical number 1992 doesn’t mean very much.” That was a reference to the fact that, two years previously, European leaders including the then prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, had signed the Single European Act, which set the member states of the bloc the objective of establishing a single market by the end of 1992, a commitment that culminated in the Maastricht treaty.

When the German diplomat praised a well-funded campaign by the trade secretary, David Young, aimed at advocating the benefits of the single market, the Queen replied: “It’s about time.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/19/the-queen-future-of-britain-in-europe-diplomatic-cables-germany

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. If the Privy Council is unanimously against it there's a chance
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:09 AM
Aug 2019

But the likelihood is it would end the monarchy if she went against precedent like that. The more likely option is that the Tory remainers bite the bullet and support Corbyn in a vote of no confidence, though they need to move fast if they want that to happen.

BumRushDaShow

(129,084 posts)
3. Thanks!
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 05:13 AM
Aug 2019

I saw yesterday that Labour was trying to cobble together some options because it is now or never.

BumRushDaShow

(129,084 posts)
4. Here is a WaPo update
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 06:21 AM
Aug 2019
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson to ask queen to suspend Parliament through mid-October, cutting down its time to prevent a no-deal Brexit


By Karla Adam
August 28 at 6:15 AM

LONDON — Prime Minister Boris Johnson was accused on Wednesday of “outrageous” and “deeply dangerous” behavior after he asked to ask Queen Elizabeth II to temporarily shut down Parliament from the middle of September. The impact of a suspending Parliament would mean that opposition lawmakers would have less time to try and stop Britain from leaving the European Union without a deal.

Johnson told reporters that he had asked Queen Elizabeth II to give her customary speech outlining the country’s legislative agenda in mid-October, effectively suspending the body between Sept. 11 and Oct. 14. Britain is expected to leave the European Union on Oct. 31. The idea of suspending — or proroguing — Parliament at this crucial time in the Brexit process sparked howls of outrage from many lawmakers, including from some within the governing Conservative Party.

Dominic Grieve, a Conservative lawmaker, said that suspending Parliament would be “outrageous” and he would vote with opposition lawmakers in a vote of no confidence. Yvette Cooper, a Labour lawmaker, said: “Boris Johnson is trying to use the Queen to concentrate power in his own hands — this is a deeply dangerous and irresponsible way to govern.” The queen is on holiday in Scotland at her Balmoral residence.

Tom Brake, the Brexit spokesman for the pro-E.U. Liberal Democrats, tweeted that if the reports on the BBC are accurate, then Johnson has “thrown down the gauntlet to Parliamentary democracy.” “The mother of all Parliaments will not allow him to shut the #PeoplesParliament out of the biggest decision facing our country,” he said. “His declaration of war will be met with an iron fist.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/boris-johnson-accused-of-deeply-dangerous-behavior-after-reports-he-will-shutter-parliament-ahead-of-brexit/2019/08/28/6bca5988-c96f-11e9-a1fe-ca46e8d573c0_story.html

MBS

(9,688 posts)
6. Two phrases sum up the situation in just a few words
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 06:45 AM
Aug 2019

The OP (Recursion):

The crazy bastard is doing it

and Yvette Cooper, above:
. . . this is a deeply dangerous and irresponsible way to govern


I can't decide whether it's reassuring or scary (OK, 90% the latter) that the UK has gotten itself into as much as existential crisis as we have.

Can this maniac be stopped? If ever a vote of "no confidence" would be in order, this would seem to be it.

BumRushDaShow

(129,084 posts)
7. Have to give credit to Recursion for the 1-phrase summary
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:06 AM
Aug 2019

"The crazy bastard is doing it"

But all I can imagine is someone like Bannon howling with glee because he was part of this nightmare and used that experience to then create yet another nightmare here in the U.S. with the 2016 Presidential election.

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
5. Never let the Brits say they have the best constitution in the world.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 06:45 AM
Aug 2019

There was more than one reason for dumping George III. Parliament sits at the pleasure of his/her 'Majesty'.

brooklynite

(94,592 posts)
9. UPDATE: MPs react with fury to Boris Johnson's plan to suspend parliament
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:15 AM
Aug 2019

Last edited Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:34 AM - Edit history (1)

MPs working on a plan to block Boris Johnson from proroguing parliament have reacted with fury to his decision to suspend MPs from sitting for five weeks from early September, calling it reckless, constitutionally wrong and a threat to democracy.

The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, said the prime minister’s plan was “an outrage and a threat to our democracy”.

The Conservative MP and former attorney general Dominic Grieve said he was working on a plan to organise a “humble address”, which is a direct call from the Commons to the Queen.

He said: “I think the decision to prorogue for five weeks is constitutionally wrong and frankly outrageous. I don’t think parliament can stop prorogation although there may be something that parliament can do to register its deep concern.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/28/mps-react-with-fury-to-boris-johnsons-plan-to-suspend-parliament

Denzil_DC

(7,242 posts)
11. "the precedent backs Johnson on this"
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 07:42 AM
Aug 2019

Where precedent doesn't back Johnson is that this would be an abnormally long prorogation (five weeks; the longest in the last 40 years has been three weeks).

Johnson didn't even have the courtesy (or guts) to inform the Speaker of the House, John Bercow:



The gap between suspending Parliament and the Queen's Speech that kicks off the new session need only be a matter of days.

This is blatant manipulation of the UK Constitution and procedures, and shows up the lies about hardcore Leavers' much-touted respect for "democracy".

It's being challenged in the Court of Session in Edinburgh during an ongoing case, and those pursuing the case (including sitting MPs) are now seeking an urgent interim order to block Johnson's move.

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
15. You're right - this is not normal, not by a long chalk.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:05 AM
Aug 2019

Unfortunately, the Downing Street spin seems to have reached DU.

Denzil_DC

(7,242 posts)
21. It would have been unthinkable for the Queen to deny the "request".
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:16 PM
Aug 2019

I don't know that you do, but some people seem to think that the fact she in theory has certain vestiges of power means she's likely to exercise them in reality. She'll advise, she'll express opinions in private (and very rarely indeed drop hints that are made public), but she won't intervene in any meaningful sense, much as we (even the republicans, i.e. non-royalists, among us) might wish she would.

What I do believe is that she won't have appreciated being further embroiled in this perversion of "democracy".

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
12. He became PM 14 weeks before the deadline; he wants parliament to sit for just 4 weeks in that time
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 08:42 AM
Aug 2019

A day or two from when he became PM to the summer recess, a week and a day before this proposed end of this parliament, and just over 2 weeks after the new one starts till Oct 31st. The 5 weeks he wants to take off have no precedent.

This is the closest thing the UK has had to a coup in its entire history. When James II was chucked out in favour of William III and Mary II, we weren't even the United Kingdom, but 2 separate kingdoms of England and Scotland. And that was 1688. When the supremacy of parliament was established, that Johnson is now trying overturn.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. When the last comparable example is Cromwell, you have a problem
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 11:33 AM
Aug 2019

And now that I'm in France I'm really concerned about what the impact of a crash-out on this side of the channel is going to be.

lonely bird

(1,685 posts)
13. The Queen cannot dissolve parliament anymore.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:20 AM
Aug 2019

That was changed in 2011. It takes 2/3 of the House of Commons to dissolve parliament.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
14. This is a proroguement, not a dissolution
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 09:22 AM
Aug 2019

It's still the same Parliament until the next Queen's Speech which, by stunning coincidence, is scheduled for early November.

Eugene

(61,900 posts)
16. Queen approves Boris Johnson's request to suspend Parliament ahead of Brexit deadline
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:39 AM
Aug 2019
Queen approves Boris Johnson’s request to suspend Parliament ahead of Brexit deadline (Washington Post)

LONDON — Queen Elizabeth II approved a request by Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Wednesday to shut down Parliament for several weeks ahead of Britain’s upcoming departure from the European Union, an unusual maneuver that will rob his opponents of time to thwart a no-deal Brexit.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/boris-johnson-accused-of-deeply-dangerous-behavior-after-reports-he-will-shutter-parliament-ahead-of-brexit/2019/08/28/6bca5988-c96f-11e9-a1fe-ca46e8d573c0_story.html

Denzil_DC

(7,242 posts)
22. Well, there are a few possible slips yet between cup and lip.
Wed Aug 28, 2019, 04:20 PM
Aug 2019

Parliament is still in session, and will have a few more days to act in the next month or so. It's up to the opposition to get its act together, finally.

There's also the (albeit slim) possibility that the Court of Session in Edinburgh may put a spanner in the works.

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