Trump's lawyers demand MSNBC retract claim his Deutsche Bank loans were co-signed by Russian oligarc
Source: Rawstory.com
Lawyers representing President Donald Trump have demanded that MSNBC retract claims made by host Lawrence ODonnell that the presidents Deutsche Bank loans were co-signed by Russian oligarchs.
As reported by the Washington Posts Paul Farhi, Trump attorney Charles Harder sent a letter to NBC Universal that called ODonnells claims false and defamatory and demanded that the network apologize for airing them.
Harder also argued that he could prove malice on the part of ODonnell because numerous documents for each of these loans are also recorded, publicly available and searchable online, which would mean that ODonnell showed reckless disregard for the truth when airing his report.
ODonnell based his claim on a single source whom he described as close to Deutsche Bank who told him that Trumps loan documents there show that he has co- signers
and that the co- signers are Russian oligarchs. ODonnell went on to claim that if true, that explains every kind word Trump has ever said about Russia and Putin.
Deutsche Bank has so far refused to comment on ODonnells claims.
Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/trumps-lawyers-demand-msnbc-retract-claim-his-deutsche-bank-loans-were-co-signed-by-russian-oligarchs/
My money is on Lawrence. Hello Discovery
Gothmog
(145,303 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Trump is always making statements with vague source attributions to his nasty rumors about democrats. "Some people say..."
bucolic_frolic
(43,176 posts)Didn't you hear?
klook
(12,157 posts)Why is he so afraid to show us his tax returns? And while we're at it, how about those Wharton college transcripts, hmm?
azureblue
(2,146 posts)there is this thing called Discovery, and the defense can demand documents to prove their contention. And the suit can't move forward without those documents. Failure to provide opens the door to counter suit in which - yep - Don's lawyers have to produce the documents to defend themselves. Gawd how does Don find such drooling idiots?
machoneman
(4,007 posts)This was bound to happen as we get closer to the truth. They would have been better off to ignore the claim in its entirety. But oh no, Trump must have been furious and w/o listening at all to his lawyers (who must have tried to warn him of the consequences) told them to threaten a lawsuit.
Dumb- dumber-dumbest!
MSNBC knew they'd be threatened and also knew that Trumpyboy must put up or shut-up IF they actually sue. This is the playbook Dumpy ran for years with small-time business, contractors, et al. But now he's in the big leagues and can't understand why he can't get his way.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Please, trump, prove me wrong! LOL
SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)put it back in...
No one is surprised that these guys co signed his loans ... who else in the f((king world would and now we truly know that the so called president of the US is in hock to Russian mobsters.
Time to enact the Amendment to impeach this so called president and remove him.
Berlin Expat
(950 posts)Lawrence O'Donnell's Twitter feed:
Last night I made an error in judgment by reporting an item about the presidents finances that didnt go through our rigorous verification and standards process. I shouldnt have reported it and I was wrong to discuss it on the air. I will address the issue on my show tonight.
Link to tweet
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maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)Why don't you just hand Asshole a club to beat you with?
His Fake News bullshit gets (more) traction. He'll be trumpeting it from Moscow to Pyongyang.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)to not comment? If it weren't true it would be pretty easy to say as much, wouldn't it?
I have no idea what the answer is. I'm hoping someone here can tell me. I'm afraid I want it to be true so badly that it is clouding my better senses.
Jedi Guy
(3,193 posts)I work in audit and compliance for a lender in Canada. As a for instance, if our accounts receivable group attempts to contact a client who is past due and instead reaches a third party (like a family member), we cannot say or imply that the person has a loan with us. Doing so is a violation of that person's privacy.
Given the high profile (and highly litigious) nature of the client in question here, I'm not at all surprised that Deutsche Bank has kept quiet. It's by far their wisest course of action.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)I was afraid it would be something like this. Dang. I was really hoping for something concrete and recorded. I guess that can still be the case. Nothing is ever that simple, though, is it?
Backseat Driver
(4,393 posts)committed by investigators' rights of oversight? In the past, it's been a "magic" bullet, a few missing minutes of tape, or the definition of "is" - no matter the poor, poor guilty victim -- I have faith the truth will out and karmic justice will come to the guilty in some way, shape, or form.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)It feels like the bad guys get away with a lot.
global1
(25,252 posts)word for it - that these Russian O's are not a factor. You know - he kind of lies about everything.
bucolic_frolic
(43,176 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Last thing you need is to fall for some fake news trap.
IADEMO2004
(5,555 posts)usaf-vet
(6,189 posts).....has ever said about Russia and Putin. If true seems like another way of saying, maybe or allegedly or maybe possibly it could be that many people are saying.
After all, it seems it could have just been a joke said in jest.
"If true" the "Chosen One" needs to prove his declaration. "Chosen One", show us a heavenly miracle alter the path of the hurricane bearing down on Puerto Rico. Without using a nuclear weapon. Better yet make it a snowstorm to prove there is no climate change.
But for now, I see merit in the claim that the Russians co-signed your loan. After all, daddy can't.
DrToast
(6,414 posts)elleng
(130,964 posts)for each of these loans are also recorded, publicly available and searchable online, which would mean that ODonnell showed reckless disregard for the truth when airing his report.'
PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, let's SEE THEM!!!
YES, DISCOVERY!!!
HiloHatti
(79 posts)When in Court, Deutsche Banks attorneys wouldnt even divulge the names in public of whos tax returns they have in possession
Based on Deutsche Bank' s cuITent knowledge and the results of the extensive searches that have already been conducted, the Bank ,has _in__its_possession_tax _returns Qn _either_draft or as_- filed form) responsive to the Subpoenas for ! Redacted :
i Redacted :Inaddition, the Bank has such documents related to parties not '···-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·-·
named in the Subpoenas but who may constitute "immediate family" within the definition provided in the Subpoenas. The Bank does not believe it possesses tax returns responsive to the Subpoenas for individuals named in the Subpoenas other than those identified above.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6354209/8-27-19-Deutsche-Bank-Letter-Trump.pdf
Ive worked in banking, and other than financing public projects, never was aware of any loan documents becoming public record.
elleng
(130,964 posts)onenote
(42,714 posts)which contain a description of the lien, the identity of the lienholder, and the identity of the debtor. These are public documents.
HiloHatti
(79 posts)UCC-1s are easily searched through the Secretary of States office in every State. UCC-1s wouldnt reveal co-signers or if there were any personal guarantees executed.
edbermac
(15,940 posts)This could blow up in their face.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy
ancianita
(36,066 posts)greymattermom
(5,754 posts)owned by Russian oligarchs.
Efilroft Sul
(3,579 posts)machoneman
(4,007 posts)diva77
(7,643 posts)"So you're confirming then, Mr. President, that there were no cosigners on your Deutsche Bank loans?"
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Here's a ton of money to invest for me. And I'd like you to invest a small chunk of it in Trump properties, okay?
bucolic_frolic
(43,176 posts)and it seems this one is awfully close.
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)Like that time Larry Flynt wrote about Jerry Falwell losing his virginity to his mother in an outhouse. Drumpf is open to comment, even when most foul.
Or that time Cheatolini claimed Obama was Kenyan. A lie, but President Obama did not and could not sue for slander.
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)him a loan.
3Hotdogs
(12,390 posts)Remember when he was set up?
yaesu
(8,020 posts)gets the hammer. Lawrence O'Donnell apologizes was in my news feed so that confirms my fascist government is in full swing belief.
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)I just don't know if someone set up O'Donnell or if O'Donnell is etting up Trump. If the latter is the case then the only way he can prove it isn't true is to release the returns.
George II
(67,782 posts)BarbD
(1,193 posts)The Russian connection is so obvious, but it is getting really difficult to have hard proof. Sure didn't take Trump long to jump all over this.
iluvtennis
(19,862 posts)it's likely true that the Russian oligarchs co-signed the loans.
The Newseum
(12 posts)it means there is something about the Russians, something really bad that's why he sent a legal notice.
http://www.thenewzeum.com/Home/ReadMore/456-Deutsche_Bank_disclose_tax_returns_that_are_tied_to_Donald_Trump
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Desperate genius ''Billionaire'' Trump had to get Russian Oligarchs to co-sign the loans because no one else would, and only under those conditions, Deutsche Bank was the only bank willing to loan him money. So now it all makes sense that Trump owes Russia big time. Putin's definitely got the goods on him and some of the Republican hierarchy in the U.S. Senate as well. Deutsche Bank has to turn over the tax returns and any banking information thereof. (lets not forget that Justice Kennedy's son who worked for Deutsche Bank and his involvement with this .. and Kennedy's sudden retirement)