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brooklynite

(94,299 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 01:50 PM Sep 2019

Justice Department Launches Antitrust Probe Into Four Auto Makers

Source: Wall Street Journal

WASHINGTON—The Justice Department has launched an antitrust investigation into four auto makers that forged an independent agreement with California on vehicle-emissions standards.

Justice Department lawyers are seeking to determine if Ford Motor Co., Honda Motor Co., BMW AG and Volkswagen AG violated federal competition law by agreeing with each other to follow tailpipe-emissions standards beyond those proposed by the Trump administration, according to people familiar with the situation.


Read more: https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-launches-antitrust-probe-into-four-auto-makers-11567778958

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Justice Department Launches Antitrust Probe Into Four Auto Makers (Original Post) brooklynite Sep 2019 OP
The DOJ has become a farce. sinkingfeeling Sep 2019 #1
Unbelievable. California doesn't want to loosen emission standards.... EarnestPutz Sep 2019 #2
+++ agree an investigation into goodness for the environment is UNBELIEVABLE. iluvtennis Sep 2019 #7
Collusion for clean air bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #3
This Trump DOJ action is the most bogus BS of the year bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #15
The Federal Government cannot interfere in a private business and order them to pollute more bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #16
This is what you get not fooled Sep 2019 #4
DOA,States Rights Issue. Wellstone ruled Sep 2019 #5
That's not what this is about ... aggiesal Sep 2019 #8
I think I should have asked ... aggiesal Sep 2019 #9
Bill Barr and Company. Wellstone ruled Sep 2019 #12
Probably not difficult for VW & Audi ... aggiesal Sep 2019 #13
How dare those, OH that's good, NM! Brainfodder Sep 2019 #6
What the hell happened to the so called free market? hot2na Sep 2019 #10
DOJ is corrupt rockfordfile Sep 2019 #11
Protecting Americans' right to pollute. Marcuse Sep 2019 #14
End Game: Primacy of Private Property Rights bucolic_frolic Sep 2019 #17

EarnestPutz

(2,115 posts)
2. Unbelievable. California doesn't want to loosen emission standards....
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:00 PM
Sep 2019

.....and four major car companies have "colluded" to make and market cleaner cars in the state, perhaps at slightly higher cost to themselves, and this requires an anti-trust action? Who is the victim here?

bucolic_frolic

(43,027 posts)
3. Collusion for clean air
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:09 PM
Sep 2019

If you're not conspiring to fix prices or make more money or grab market share, where is the benefit?

Anticompetitive trade practices, perhaps, if other automakers were not offered to join the agreement, but even there other manufacturers would not be harmed economically since they could presumably produce cheaper and more polluting cars.

This is a really F**ked up probe

bucolic_frolic

(43,027 posts)
15. This Trump DOJ action is the most bogus BS of the year
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:13 PM
Sep 2019

If manufacturers got together to develop a new technology, so what? If they wanted to develop plastic wiper blades, or air-jet windshield dryers instead of wipers, they are free to do so! They're not doing anything other than saying they want to have cleaner burning engines. Why should Trump and the DOJ anti-regulate that?

bucolic_frolic

(43,027 posts)
16. The Federal Government cannot interfere in a private business and order them to pollute more
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 06:58 AM
Sep 2019

Does it make any sense? Manufacturers share technology or combine to develop interchangeable parts all the time. Some parts are used across different brands and models.

This lawsuit is overreach.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. DOA,States Rights Issue.
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 02:55 PM
Sep 2019

Worlds fifth largest economy is not going to let a bunch shysters screw them over.

aggiesal

(8,906 posts)
8. That's not what this is about ...
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 05:05 PM
Sep 2019

The Dolt45 administration has lowered the fuel standards, below California Standards.
California is still going to maintain that the auto industry meet the higher CA standards.

IQ45 Administration didn't like this so they sued CA. to follow the Federal fuel standards.
Now they are going after the car companies that have agreed to maintain the higher
CA standards.

This is one screwed up administration.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
12. Bill Barr and Company.
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 05:47 PM
Sep 2019

Don't think those four Auto Makers are going to sit still for one second. Think of the Billions of dollars it would cost in Engineering to detune their product line as well as overseas sales they would loose as a result.

hot2na

(356 posts)
10. What the hell happened to the so called free market?
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 05:12 PM
Sep 2019

Free market worship has always been an article of faith in the Republican/Conservative universe. Of course this is just magical thinking but what Trumps DOJ is basically doing here is acting like a command economy. So called free marketers and libertarians should be crashing the gates.

If this were WV, AL, MI, OK, TX, or any other red state, dos anyone think that Trumps DOJ takes this step.

The hypocrisy is so far off the charts that it just reveals that the Republican/Conservative principles is and was always a total sham.

bucolic_frolic

(43,027 posts)
17. End Game: Primacy of Private Property Rights
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:37 AM
Sep 2019

This is right in Gorsuch's anti-regulatory wheelhouse. This suit is to get a court to rule that the Feds have no business telling a business that it must pollute a certain amount, or that is must not pollute. Once they have that ruling, it goes to appeal, all the way to the Supreme Court. You know where that leads.

THis is TOTALLY about private property rights - let business do what it wants.

Hope we have some good litigators in environmental organizations.We're going to need them. Once everything is private property for business, there is nothing else - no public lands, not even your house is safe.

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