Trump pushing for major crackdown on homeless camps in California, with aides discussing moving resi
Source: Washington Post
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Trump pushing for major crackdown on homeless camps in California, with aides discussing moving residents to government-backed facilities
By Jeff Stein, Tracy Jan, Josh Dawsey and Ashley Parker
September 10, 2019 at 4:36 p.m. EDT
President Trump has ordered White House officials to conduct a sweeping crackdown on homelessness in California, citing the state's growing crisis, according to four government officials aware of the effort.
The talks have intensified in recent weeks. Administration officials have discussed using the federal government to get homeless people off the streets of Los Angeles and other areas and into new government-backed facilities, according to two officials briefed on the planning.
But it is unclear how they could accomplish this and what legal authority they would use. It is also unclear whether the state's Democratic politicians would cooperate with Trump, who has sought to embarrass them over the homelessness crisis with repeated attacks on their competency.
Trump's directive is part of his broader targeting of California and a number of major U.S. cities in recent months, including Baltimore and Chicago. He has complained about what he says are years of failed Democratic leadership that have led sustained poverty and crime. ... Top officials representing the White House and Department of Housing and Urban Development arrived in California this week for a round of meetings. A particular focus has been the "skid row" section of Los Angeles, officials said. The president is directly involved with the initiative, officials said, and has asked for updates.
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Jeff Stein is a policy reporter for The Washington Post. He was a crime reporter for the Syracuse Post-Standard and, in 2014, founded the local news nonprofit the Ithaca Voice in Upstate New York. He was also a reporter for Vox. Follow https://twitter.com/jstein_wapo
Tracy Jan covers the intersection of race and the economy for The Washington Post. She previously was a national political reporter at the Boston Globe. Follow https://twitter.com/TracyJan
Josh Dawsey is a White House reporter for The Washington Post. He joined the paper in 2017. He previously covered the White House for Politico, and New York City Hall and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie for the Wall Street Journal. Follow https://twitter.com/jdawsey1
Ashley Parker is a White House reporter for The Washington Post. She joined The Post in 2017, after 11 years at the New York Times, where she covered the 2012 and 2016 presidential campaigns and Congress, among other things. Follow https://twitter.com/ashleyrparker
Read more: https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/09/10/trump-pushing-major-crackdown-homeless-camps-california-with-aides-discussing-moving-residents-government-backed-facilities/
Hat tip, Joe.My.God:
Trump Orders Crackdown On Homeless Encampments
September 10, 2019
https://www.joemygod.com/2019/09/trump-orders-crackdown-on-homeless-encampments/
wryter2000
(46,032 posts)Jerry Brown said hed build a wall around California if Trump was elected. Looks like we need it
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)feelings/sense of benevolence or empathy.
Lindsay
(3,276 posts)as well.
Very on brand for Trump.
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)aggiesal
(8,910 posts)you know the ones that Obama built!
Thanks Obama.
Do I need to put the sarcasm thingee?
magicarpet
(14,144 posts)Lock em up,...
US Gov. pays out $700/day per prisoner,...
Then hire them out at 75¢/hr.
Kidnap the children for off shore sex slaves.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,997 posts)Mein gott, where did they get that idea?
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)change!
"Scientist suggests eating human flesh to fight climate change" (originally published by" Fox News)
https://nypost.com/2019/09/09/scientist-suggests-eating-human-flesh-to-fight-climate-change/
A Swedish scientist speaking at Stockholm summit last week offered an unusual possible tactic in combating global climate change: eating human flesh.
Stockholm School of Economics professor and researcher Magnus Soderlund reportedly said he believes eating human meat, derived from dead bodies, might be able to help save the human race if only a world society were to awaken the idea.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)And passing universal healthcare coverage so that folks can get the mental health and addiction treatment they need???
It would be cheaper, less disruptive, more effective and infinitely more humane.
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)stupidity is to be expected.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)We don't call him Shitler for nothing.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)will build the camps, then charge the government to run them. tRump would get his cut, of course.
Zoonart
(11,847 posts)Wake up America.
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)SharonAnn
(13,772 posts)Maxheader
(4,371 posts)Can the fed get involved in state business that has no federal support $$?
elleng
(130,861 posts)to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.
Anatole France
The Mouth
(3,148 posts)who will be profiting from the facilities?
I didn't think so.
NotHardly
(1,062 posts)poli-junkie
(1,002 posts)gotta get all of his ducks in a row to further limit people's ability to vote in 2020.
jmowreader
(50,552 posts)They check in, but they don't check out.
Because to Trump, the poor are worse than the bedbugs and roaches in his hotels.
bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)so this is about something else.
ashredux
(2,603 posts)diva77
(7,639 posts)Captain Zero
(6,800 posts)His puppet masters, the oligarchs, in Russia have fully mastered siphoning public money into their pockets. They probably have created a how-to book for him.
Pachamama
(16,886 posts)ashredux
(2,603 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Ummm... yah.
Someone is blowing smoke up someone's ass with this story, big time.
The federal government has zero authority to round up homeless people in Los Angeles or any other city.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)But the methods used to get people there on an ongoing basis. Will there be squads of Government police combing the streets and parks capturing them?
mnhtnbb
(31,382 posts)run by his buddies for profit and billing the government.
Wait and see.
If the government is paying, what, $750/day for immigrants held in detention camps that are nothing more than cages, wait and see what they can do to make money off housing the homeless.
Lonestarblue
(9,968 posts)Theyre not making enough imprisoning migrants at $700+ per day. With more money, they can donate to Trump and buy more Republicans.
Dem2theMax
(9,650 posts)My state has one thing to say to you. Fuck off!
keithbvadu2
(36,752 posts)He already has his concentration camps with cages for babies for $775 a day.
Now he wants a bloated gov't program with profits for his donors?
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)This is a huge issue in LA right now with businesses and homeowners at wits end. My family lives in Hollywood area and are very progressive and compassionate but it's so bad in many areas it's a public health concern with diseases not seen in decades coming back. I was stunned on my last trip as the homeless have literally taken over stretches of sidewalks with piles of belongings. Businesses and residential entrances are being blocked. This isn't the answer but it will have to be addressed soon by the Governor. My guess is they will be offered an option of moving or be moved, at least, off public sidewalks. No easy answer. Many I encountered are unemployable or suffer from mental illness.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)comes from HUD and grants to counties. I use to work on homeless grants before I retired from the county of Santa Barbara.
The money comes from the federal governments and is passed onto counties by the State.
onethatcares
(16,165 posts)we throw untold billions into wars that we never win and a military that acts as an arm of capitalism while the citizens are homeless, jobless, medical care less while sleeping and shitting in the streets while the plutocrats steal more and more of the public funds and land.
It would make sense to begin a new Civilian Conservation Corp, funded by a reduction in our MIC budget.
Our infrastructure would gain untold benefits while the citizens would at least enjoy the fruits of their labor.
but we've gone beyond that simple idea at this point.
fuck, forget I wrote this absurd rant.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)KY...........
Eugene
(61,862 posts)their lungs. The authoritarian approach begs the question, which model of dystopian fascism are they planning to adopt?
lunasun
(21,646 posts)This is not about helping homeless if trump is behind it . Another contract cash cow with Miller cruelty for kicks
Not all, but many uber rich simply disdain the poor
Marthe48
(16,934 posts)under rick synder, the government of the state of Michigan took control of city government away from duly elected officials, in 2013. I imagine that trump crime ring is looking for models and reasons to implement those models in a naked grab for power. Once again, in their inhuman manner, they are targeting a vulnerable group.
There are a lot of homeless veterans, but I hope all of the diverse people who make up the homeless population has some powerful voices to protect them.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)in California and other States?
AllaN01Bear
(18,138 posts)Takket
(21,554 posts)Anyone with access to Deep Space Nine on Netflix should go watch this episode because THAT is what this is.
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)What's next? Rounding up homosexuals? Making Jewish people sew yellow stars of David to their shirts? What will be enough?
WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)he must have an agenda that will hurt both and profit him or other 'Cons/1%ers in some way. Is this a part of his "illegal" immigrant round up BS, some sort of money making gambit or ???
I'm not sure how this even is the federal government's business if the governor of CA hasn't asked for federal help.
Hekate
(90,637 posts)What have we done to deserve this nightmare
mwooldri
(10,302 posts)But I don't think the federal government would go there at this time.
AllaN01Bear
(18,138 posts)kimbutgar
(21,116 posts)All over the state are homeless people. He wants to get California votes to support him in 2020. This is just a campaign talking point he will use to gain California voters. The repukes had their state convention recently and they are going to try to use everything they can to turn California red. But it wont work because here in California we know he is a fraud, liar, cheat and evil.
Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)If they don't exist on the streets to be counted, that's less representation for California.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)2010
Mark Mather: The main method is to go out to shelters and to the people who are providing services to the homeless in order to collect information about the homeless population. They also go out to designated street locations and try to count people who are living on the street. And for those who they dont identify in designated locations, they have places called Be Counted centers to try to get people to come in and fill out their form
https://earthsky.org/human-world/how-does-u-s-census-count-the-homeless-and-undocumented-immigrants
Hotler
(11,415 posts)housing the homeless for the government. Just like the migrants at the border. A handful of subcontractors making money by charging by the day. There a lot of rich people in this country that can't make a dime unless it is from sucking at the teat of the tax payer.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)And some space on military bases to lock the homeless people out of sight. The ICE "camps" are so successful, what could possibly go wrong. Also, homelessness can be either short term or long term. This would likely convert the short term homeless into long term homelessness, making matters worse.
This would do nothing to address the many causes of homelessness. The mental health issues would remain as would the displaced workers and those with drug issues. Uncaring Republican policies exacerbates the problem. If you sincerely want to correct the problem develop programs that address these issues rather than spending the money on cages to "house" them in. Another example of the sickness that flows through the veins of the Republican hierarchy.
StTimofEdenRoc
(445 posts)olddad65
(599 posts)He will feed the homeless to the hungry.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Soylent Green! The perfect solution. No protein left behind.
Bettie
(16,088 posts)those they perceive as "undesirables" and putting them in concentration camps.
It's a test balloon to see if locking up citizens can be normalized as locking up immigrants has been.
Dictatorship in action. Too bad there isn't some congressional remedy for an increasingly dictatorial president.
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)free dental care, and great weather. We have @1million people in San Francisco, @8000 of which are homeless at any given time. They live in Golden Gate Park at Stanyan & Haight Streets (aka Hippie Hollow) and in a couple of concentrated areas downtown.
Every service you can imagine is available, and I'm sure the same is true for the rest of CA, save the wingnut areas. Plus, hundreds of nonprofits & corporations offer education programs, grooming, housing, & food. On the rare occasions that we have rain lasting more than an hour, communities open up warming centers. The average temp is around 65F, and the air is clear & smells sweet.
Granted, it's much easier to be homeless here than in Chicago or Baltimore, but they offer services, too. Anyway, Trump is just once again pandering to what's left of his base by threatening to invade Democratic cities & states, which he knows is illegal.
Trump is the "Who's gonna make me?" president. It's time to make him go to prison.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)All involve at least some out of pocket expense. My brother has MediCal, the "free" heath coverage in CA. It ain't free. You still need to pay for transportation to your appointment, some medications aren't covered, others are only partly covered, and there are many noncovered treatments, such as the back surgery my brother needed. Dental care is just the basics: extractions, fillings. My brother had a bad molar, they just pulled it and gave him antibiotics. No bridge, no dental implant. I am unaware of any state funding of pet care.
Nor is there readily available personal grooming, clothing laundry, or a quiet place to sleep. Homeless shelters are scary, loud, overcrowded horror shows. Just come to 5th Street in Downtown L.A. if you think the homeless have "everything you can imagine" in CA.
But I will agree that it's "eeasier" to be homeless here than colder parts of the country. At least you won't freeze to death overnight here.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)All true, absolutely!
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)All anyone has to do is call 311.
In addition to temporary & transitional housing, there's:
http://hsh.sfgov.org/services/other%20services/
One Home
A resource tool that will help you find affordable housing in the Bay Area.
One Degree
A resource tool that will help you find services in the Bay Area.
Link SF
A resource tool that will help you find shelter, food, medical care, or help you meet your hygiene and technology needs based on where you are and what is open.
San Francisco Assistance for Young Adults
A resource for transitional age youth (16-24) that includes a comprehensive directory of service referrals including: workforce, education, housing, wellness, advocacy and recreation.
San Francisco Homeless Resource Wiki
A collaborative resource guide where all parties helping the homeless come together to disclose information on various services including: shelter, medical, food, legal, employment, and much more.
Homeless Resource Charts for San Francisco
Free Eats Chart (Free Food)
English & Spanish
Free Shelter Chart
English & Spanish
Free Medical Chart
English & Spanish
Free Mental Health Chart
English & Spanish
Food Resources
Glide
330 Ellis St.
Breakfast:
Daily, 8:00 AM
Lunch:
Daily, 12:00 PM
Dinner:
Mon-Fri, 4:00 PM
St. Anthony Dining Room
150 Golden Gate Ave.
Lunch:
Daily, 11:30 AM 1:30 PM
Mother Browns Kitchen
2111 Jennings St.
Breakfast:
Mon-Fri, 7:00 AM 9:00 AM
Dinner:
Mon-Fri, 5:00 PM 7:00 PM
Saints Peter & Paul Church
666 Filbert St.
Sandwiches:
Mon-Fri, 6:00 PM 6:30 PM
Sandwiches:
Sat & Sun, 4:00 PM
Martin de Porres
225 Potrero Ave.
Breakfast:
Mon, Tues, Thurs, Fri, 6:30 AM 7:30 AM
Lunch:
Tues-Sat, 12:00 PM 2:00 PM
Medical Resources
Tom Waddell Urgent Care
50 Lech Walesa
415-355-7400
SF General Hospital Emergency Department
1001 Potrero Ave., # 1E21
415-206-8111
Legal Services
Community-Based Legal Services
Phone Resources
Suicide Prevention
415-781-0500
WOMAN, Inc
877-384-3578
Mobile Crisis
415-970-4000
SF HOT Team
415-734-4233
Every Day Connect Resource Line
855-588-7968
Westside Community Services Crisis Clinic
415-355-0311
San Francisco County Mental Health Access
415-255-3737 or 888-246-3333
Progress Foundations Dore Urgent Care Clinic
415-553-3100
Mobile Crisis
415-355-8300
Comprehensive Child Crisis Services
415-970-3800
San Francisco Suicide Prevention Hotline
415-781-0500
Treatment Access Program TAP-Voluntary Unit Mental Health Access (MHA)
415-503-4730 or 1-800-750-2727
Benefits
County Adult Assistance Programs (CAAP) and Food Stamps
1235 Mission Street (between 8th & 9th St.)
San Francisco, CA
415-558-1000
415-558-1090 (for information in Chinese/Cantonese)
415-558-1156 (for information in Spanish)
Social Security Offices
1098 Valencia St. San Francisco, CA 94110
800-772-1213
90 7th St., San Francisco
866-964-1726
901 Market St # 500
San Francisco, CA 94103
Eviction Prevention
Eviction Defense Collaborative
Drop-in Clinic Hours AFTER December 1, 2016
Monday Friday
9:00 AM 11:00 AM
1:00 PM 3:00 PM
1338 Mission Street; 4th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94103
Conflict Intervention Services
Employment
Homeless Employment Collaborative
Haight Street Resources
If you don't live here, do some research. Even the bus drivers don't ask homeless/poor people to pay or get off unless they're frightening others.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)I do live here, meaning California. Where do you live? Have you ever been to 5th Street in downtown LA? Dialing 311 does not get you a place to live, nor a doctor, nor food for your pet. If it did, we wouldn't have homeless people in CA.
Why are you saying this blatantly incorrect stuff? Why are you implying people are homeless by choice? Do you think people want to suffer, that they want to live on the streets?
Retrograde
(10,132 posts)There are organizations that provide transition shelter and aid, but they're way overrun by demand. One of the shelter organizations based in San Jose (and they cover all of Santa Clara and San Mateo counties) was pleased to announce earlier this year that they can now provide protected parking for families - no room, no help, but at least a place where you can sleep in your vehicle without worrying about being disturbed - and have some access to bathing facilities.
I live mid-Peninsula, between San Francisco and San Jose. The homeless aren't as obvious here as they are in SF, but you can find them if you know where to look. There are a lot of people who live in their vehicles, probably a lot more than street people. And while we don't get MidWest-type blizzards it does get below freezing here in winter: a homeless person in my town died of exposure a few winters back.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)Health care for two persons is over $1500 a month and that is with Medicare A & B.
You need to see a dentist, you pay for it.
As for the rest of the things you seem to think are free, well you are wrong.
Oh, as for "Hippie Hollow", there never was such a place.
Maybe you meant "Hippie Hill "?
Give the Great State of California a break would you?
This California bashing gets old as all hell.
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)Do you live in CA? I've lived across the street from GGPark for 7 years, and I interact with the homeless regularly.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)Takes a lot to oust a 5th generation San Franciscan.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)And to go trip at the Dark Side of The Moon Laserium show (at Morrison Planetarium)
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)I worked for the County of Santa Barbara in the Behavior Wellness dept until I retired in 2016.
The money for homelessness is limited and cant possibly do all that you are talking about.
The services you talk about come from counties and private non profit organizations.
Warming shelters are not opened until there are consecutive nights of freezing temperatures. At that they are seldom filled.
If the homeless qualify for Medicaid(Medical in CA) they can get some medical treatment and mental health services. That was mostly for children until the ACA and Medicaid expansion.
The world of homelessness in CA is nothing like you describe.
The facts are in the Homeless Management Information System HMIS which was put into practice some years ago.
If you could get the data you would see how wrong you are.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)To a parking lot next to the county welfare office.
How kind was that exactly?
They have relocated to other places but they are not gone.
They will never be gone until they do something about the fact that there are not enough places available to rent at a reasonable price.
I'd be right there with them had I not managed to get out of a negative situation I was in a number of years ago and yes, it can happen to anyone.
One roll of the dice go wrong and , welcome to HELL I'm sure you'll agree!
One has to wonder if these California bashers are green with envy or filled with hatred?
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)spend the money on it that is needed.
In our protestant way of thinking, people who are homeless brought it on themselves. Helping them is not our problem.
You would be amazed at how many times I have argued against that attitude.
htuttle
(23,738 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,884 posts)His cronies will be compensated handsomely at tax payer expense.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)is all about this. No surprises. If he can, he will try to expand the Fascist grip on the Nation with concentration camps in mind and a scapegoat de jour.
Will California agree to this help and is the use of the word "intercede" a threat? If so, will it set another precedent where American citizens are then legally detained and placed in camps because they are in poverty, rather than for committing crimes?
Notice that this is not a means to help the homeless obtain housing, but to take away what they have now and place them in government facilities.
This country already has an insane incarceration problem as it is.
Crackdown, huh? Sounds like a term you would use for criminals. Even the mention of it implies another slippery slope.
And, of course, anything that Trump proposes has ulterior motives and comes backed by his total ignorance.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)then what, the gangs? journalists? fascist pig
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onetexan
(13,036 posts)The Idiot is trying to again line the pockets of his cronies to set up more private concentration camps. FASCISTS!!
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)Sudsy
(58 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,805 posts)He needs to mind his own damn business.
State's Rights
Eugene
(61,862 posts)Source: Washington Post
By Jeff Stein, Josh Dawsey and Tracy Jan
September 11 at 8:49 PM
A team of Trump administration officials toured a California facility once used by the Federal Aviation Administration this week as they searched for a potential site to relocate homeless people, according to three government officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private tour.
President Trump has directed aides to launch a major crackdown on homelessness in California, spurring an effort across multiple government agencies to determine how to deal with sprawling tent camps on the streets of Los Angeles and other cities, officials said.
Trump is expected to visit California on Tuesday and Wednesday. One administration official with knowledge of Trumps visit to California said there were discussions about an announcement related to Californias growing homeless problem next week, but a second official said that any decision could be premature and that it was not on the current schedule for the trip.
Trump has asked aides to figure out how the hell we can get these people off the streets, one senior administration official said.
The FAA facility toured by administration officials is located in or near Los Angeles, but its precise name or whereabouts or whether it is a current or former government facility were not immediately known.
-snip-
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/09/12/trump-officials-tour-unused-faa-facility-california-search-place-relocate-homeless-people/
dchill
(38,468 posts)A special unitary executive fiat designed and granted by Personal Attorney Genital Barr and thumb-twiddled by the Putinate (formerly Senate.)