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brooklynite

(94,331 posts)
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:19 AM Sep 2019

'Total panic' as 'shell-shocked' White House struggles to find impeachment footing

Source: NBC News

WASHINGTON — White House officials were scrambling Thursday to figure out how to counter the House Democrats' impeachment inquiry, with one source familiar with the situation describing a sense of “total panic” over the past week at the lack of a plan to address the new reality.

There appears to be rising “anxiety, unease, and concern” — as one person close to the White House described the mood in the West Wing — that the whistleblower’s allegations could seriously wound the president and some of those around him. “There’s not a lot of confidence that there’s no there there,” this person said.

White House officials remained unsure of how to proceed, not only because there is no apparent plan to deal with the situation, but because the allegations are so serious that the usual methods the president has used to successfully escape past controversies may not apply: “This doesn’t look like something that’s going to be overtaken by the next news cycle,” the person said.

Another person familiar with the discussions described the mood inside the White House as “shell-shocked,” with increasing wariness that, as this impeachment inquiry drags out, the likelihood increases that the president could respond erratically and become “unmanageable.”

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/total-panic-shell-shocked-white-house-struggles-find-impeachment-footing-n1059251

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'Total panic' as 'shell-shocked' White House struggles to find impeachment footing (Original Post) brooklynite Sep 2019 OP
Yet they are willing to serve and protect an erratic president who needs to be "managed" tblue37 Sep 2019 #1
You know you're in trouble when Kellyanne can't come up with a pithy retort. no_hypocrisy Sep 2019 #2
She always seems pretty pithy to me. lagomorph777 Sep 2019 #20
Well, she smells better than the rabid pit-bull........ lastlib Sep 2019 #25
Whoever she wakes up next to probably gets the pith scared out of him. LudwigPastorius Sep 2019 #46
George Conway; he writeth thome pithy anti-Trump thtuff lagomorph777 Sep 2019 #48
Trump will take the lead in his defense SallyHemmings Sep 2019 #3
I believe you're correct about that... NurseJackie Sep 2019 #8
And tragically we are ALL on that foundering ship. FailureToCommunicate Sep 2019 #16
The fear that Trump will respond erratically and impulsively madaboutharry Sep 2019 #4
There's no "fear" jmowreader Sep 2019 #47
We know that. madaboutharry Sep 2019 #50
Better them than half the nation. I.have.no.pity. shraby Sep 2019 #5
He really thought Dems would do nothing and that Mueller was a bust. BigmanPigman Sep 2019 #6
I wonder if anyone who characterized Nancy and the party as being the "real scandal" are... NurseJackie Sep 2019 #7
Indeed... where are the adults that should be apologizing?! Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #12
Adults? murielm99 Sep 2019 #38
RIP Iran durablend Sep 2019 #9
What does that say about Donald Trump? Baitball Blogger Sep 2019 #10
He's never been held accountable for anything in his 73 years. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2019 #14
The Peter Pan principle took way too long with this guy. Baitball Blogger Sep 2019 #15
this is why I would never vote for a business person for an elected position gopiscrap Sep 2019 #31
Become "unmanageable"? That person thinks Trump is currently "manageable"? tanyev Sep 2019 #11
Exactly n/t Lulu KC Sep 2019 #22
+1 gopiscrap Sep 2019 #32
Absolutely! Become unmanageable? SharonAnn Sep 2019 #61
Let me see if I can dredge up any sympathy for them. Pacifist Patriot Sep 2019 #13
Where is Kushner? Ivanka? Scarsdale Sep 2019 #17
They're too busy grabbing all the flatware Pluvious Sep 2019 #40
.... KPN Sep 2019 #43
Perfect. nt chowder66 Sep 2019 #44
They're just relatives Retrograde Sep 2019 #49
They always seem to dissappear.... Xolodno Sep 2019 #58
"total panic...at the lack of a plan..." skypilot Sep 2019 #18
This doesn't look like something that's going to be overtaken by the next news cycle," Javaman Sep 2019 #19
"benedict donald" zooks Sep 2019 #52
There are others that should be in panic. Manafort, Stone and Flynn are likely NCjack Sep 2019 #21
Oh, I see him doing mass moonscape Sep 2019 #55
That will just increase the likelihood of angry mobs. nt Progressive Jones Sep 2019 #60
This administration has shell-shocked the country! BluNoMatterHu Sep 2019 #23
I knew the night of the election that Trump would be the worst president in U.S. history. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2019 #24
My wife and I both said the same thing gopiscrap Sep 2019 #33
Cried and turned off the elections once trump had I_UndergroundPanther Sep 2019 #59
I thought so, too. But I had no idea how bad he would be. SharonAnn Sep 2019 #62
I would imagine there are around 30 people who are shaking in their boots... Frustratedlady Sep 2019 #26
I agree w/ your assessment! And I might add, that no lawyers are going to touch this case... SWBTATTReg Sep 2019 #56
"as this impeachment inquiry drags out" eggplant Sep 2019 #27
The White House knew about the Whistleblower's Report almost 2 months ago FakeNoose Sep 2019 #28
+1 dalton99a Sep 2019 #30
Don't let up the pressure for a second CanonRay Sep 2019 #29
Check out the DU Picture of the Day. lagomorph777 Sep 2019 #34
Hey I didn't even know we had a "picture of the day" jcgoldie Sep 2019 #37
Here ya go Pluvious Sep 2019 #41
Honestly, what did they think would happen with this guy? DeeNice Sep 2019 #35
"the president could respond erratically and become "unmanageable."" jcgoldie Sep 2019 #36
Did staff ever have to say anything murielm99 Sep 2019 #39
At least the craziest thing Bush would do is get drunk and NYC Liberal Sep 2019 #45
Their "go ahead and impeach" gambit has blown up in their face. What they failed to recognize KPN Sep 2019 #42
MAdame Speaker has Trump by the balls..... ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2019 #51
He's coming out swinging with a 30 second ad just an hour ago 4139 Sep 2019 #53
And there it is...! Grins Sep 2019 #54
LOL, I'm enjoying this. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2019 #57

tblue37

(65,217 posts)
1. Yet they are willing to serve and protect an erratic president who needs to be "managed"
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:23 AM
Sep 2019

but really can't be.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
8. I believe you're correct about that...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:44 AM
Sep 2019

... he won't be able to control himself, and those that would offer a steady and guiding hand have all departed or been fired.

Trump is a listing ship, with no sails, that's headed directly into the rocks, in the middle of a storm.

madaboutharry

(40,185 posts)
4. The fear that Trump will respond erratically and impulsively
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:29 AM
Sep 2019

only emphasizes that Trump is an unstable menace and a clear and present danger apart from his impeachable offenses involving Ukraine.

BigmanPigman

(51,565 posts)
6. He really thought Dems would do nothing and that Mueller was a bust.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:41 AM
Sep 2019

No plan at all! That is how confident he is in his superiority. He thought he would have smooth sailing right through the elections and Barr did his job like a good lap dog.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. I wonder if anyone who characterized Nancy and the party as being the "real scandal" are...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:43 AM
Sep 2019

I wonder if anyone who characterized Nancy and the party as being the "real scandal" are now sorry for having said that.

Baitball Blogger

(46,682 posts)
10. What does that say about Donald Trump?
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:53 AM
Sep 2019

He never saw it coming? Really? The most corrupt and cruelest president in American history followed a pattern of burying evidence, while overloading the news cycle with the next new normal, and it didn't occur to him that someone was busy writing down the details that would one day make a hell of a whistle blower complaint.

What does that say about the environment that has allowed him to operate in this fashion for so long? Donald Trump brought business ethics into our government, and someone just served him his ass on a platter.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,652 posts)
14. He's never been held accountable for anything in his 73 years.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:07 AM
Sep 2019

It is no surprise to me that he lacks the self-awareness and contextual awareness to recognize the position he's put himself in.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
17. Where is Kushner? Ivanka?
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:25 AM
Sep 2019

The two top advisors have no ideas? I hope Barr, Pence, Guilliani and Mulvaney go down along with the orange ass.

Retrograde

(10,128 posts)
49. They're just relatives
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:34 PM
Sep 2019

they’re not real government officials - except when they can use their positions to freeload off the American people

But,yeah - where are they? Saudi Arabia? Azerbiajian? Venezuela? Why aren’t they standing by Dear Old Dad in his hour of need?

Xolodno

(6,383 posts)
58. They always seem to dissappear....
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:59 PM
Sep 2019

...when the heat starts getting up there. It's almost they don't want to be associated with him when the "brand" may get tarnished.

Javaman

(62,500 posts)
19. This doesn't look like something that's going to be overtaken by the next news cycle,"
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:02 AM
Sep 2019

aka benedict donald can't lie his way out of it.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
21. There are others that should be in panic. Manafort, Stone and Flynn are likely
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:35 AM
Sep 2019

reassessing their likelihood of getting Trump pardons. The info they can sell is depreciating, and when Trump's impeachment occurs, their info will be of little value.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
55. Oh, I see him doing mass
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:52 PM
Sep 2019

...pardons to stick it to our side and because he can, at the
last moment he can.

BluNoMatterHu

(31 posts)
23. This administration has shell-shocked the country!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:37 AM
Sep 2019

Now they're getting a taste of how we've felt as a nation having them in charge. Anxiety, Unease, and Concern! It's only going to get worse for them and better for us.

24. I knew the night of the election that Trump would be the worst president in U.S. history.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:46 AM
Sep 2019

God, I hate being right.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,462 posts)
59. Cried and turned off the elections once trump had
Sat Sep 28, 2019, 10:05 AM
Sep 2019

Been declared winner. I could not sleep that night and have been anxious since.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
26. I would imagine there are around 30 people who are shaking in their boots...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:57 AM
Sep 2019

those supposedly reported to have known about the transcript and of putting it on an extremely secure server.

If I were in that position and my name was paged, I'd probably wet my pants. Just the thought of being suspected of being the one who passed on the information to the whistleblower would keep me awake at night...or, finding the funds to buy a ticket to Siam.

SWBTATTReg

(22,065 posts)
56. I agree w/ your assessment! And I might add, that no lawyers are going to touch this case...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:08 PM
Sep 2019

who in their right mind would, after the way rump has already gone through tons of lawyers too, some of whom said that he wouldn't listen to their advice, etc. He's going to dig a hole so deep, that one could fly through to China...

eggplant

(3,907 posts)
27. "as this impeachment inquiry drags out"
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:21 AM
Sep 2019

It's still being measured in days. I don't think that qualifies as dragging out yet.

FakeNoose

(32,577 posts)
28. The White House knew about the Whistleblower's Report almost 2 months ago
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:25 AM
Sep 2019

Chump and his people had advance knowledge, long before it came to the attention of Adam Schiff or the Speaker of the House. And yet, as everything starts tumbling, how did Chump use that extra two months? He played a lot of golf and tweeted. That's how.




CanonRay

(14,083 posts)
29. Don't let up the pressure for a second
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:43 AM
Sep 2019

Squeeze that rotted orange until it pops and whatever passes for a soul oozes out. I really think we can make Trump have a psychotic breakdown.

DeeNice

(575 posts)
35. Honestly, what did they think would happen with this guy?
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:23 AM
Sep 2019

It's not like there wasn't a whole parade of red flags going in...

jcgoldie

(11,612 posts)
36. "the president could respond erratically and become "unmanageable.""
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 12:04 PM
Sep 2019

...And staff filled with “anxiety, unease, and concern”

ie... a normal Friday in the Trump White House... or any other day ending in Y...

murielm99

(30,715 posts)
39. Did staff ever have to say anything
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 12:29 PM
Sep 2019

like this about Obama? Or even Dubya?

What kind of leader becomes erratic or unmanageable? Other than Hitler?

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
45. At least the craziest thing Bush would do is get drunk and
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 02:03 PM
Sep 2019

choke on a pretzel or fall off his bike. Even when Reagan had Alzheimer’s, he’d just fall asleep in cabinet meetings or confuse his old movies with actual history. Not that either of them weren’t terrible presidents, but not batshit insane.

KPN

(15,635 posts)
42. Their "go ahead and impeach" gambit has blown up in their face. What they failed to recognize
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:13 PM
Sep 2019

is that, at some point, there is always a genuine patriot who has the goods and decides to come forward.

Grins

(7,195 posts)
54. And there it is...!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:50 PM
Sep 2019

“...that the whistleblower’s allegations could seriously wound the president AND SOME OF THOSE AROUND HIM.”

Country be damned. Oh, well, as their boss once told the widow of a soldier, “He knew what he was volunteering for...”

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