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brooklynite

(94,372 posts)
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:19 AM Sep 2019

Giuliani: State Department official should 'step forward,' 'I wasn't operating on my own'

Source: The Hill

President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani on Thursday called on Kurt Volker, the U.S. Special Representative to Ukraine, and other State Department officials to say that they directed Giuliani to meet with Ukrainian officials in the wake of a whistleblower complaint released Thursday on Trump and Giuliani’s contacts with Ukraine.

Giuliani appeared to share text messages from Volker in an appearance on Fox News Thursday night. One encouraged Giuliani to call him to “brief you more about [Ukrainian president Volodymyr] Zelensky dynamic,” and another “connected” Giuliani with Andrey Yermak, a Zelensky aide.

“He should step forward and explain what he did,” Giuliani told Fox News host Laura Ingraham. “The whistleblower falsely alleges that I was operating on my own. Well, I wasn’t operating on my own.”


“I went to meet Mr. Zelensky’s aide at the request of the State Department,” Giuliani continued.

Read more: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/463340-giuliani-state-department-official-should-step-forward-i-wasnt



Smart enough not to be the patsy?
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Giuliani: State Department official should 'step forward,' 'I wasn't operating on my own' (Original Post) brooklynite Sep 2019 OP
Lol..."it wasn't just me, those guys did it too" Docreed2003 Sep 2019 #1
Please proceed. FailureToCommunicate Sep 2019 #2
Hold on... Yesterday Giuliani said he has evidence that the State Department directed him to go. DetlefK Sep 2019 #3
His "evidence" is that he has texts from Volker. HOWEVER, and this is a big however, pnwmom Sep 2019 #37
It's only a pretext for the Mob Racket tactics against US ally in support of tRump campaign Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2019 #4
He seems frightened of the Logan Act htuttle Sep 2019 #5
Why Would He Be Frightened? smb Sep 2019 #16
Someone should! atreides1 Sep 2019 #27
Crickets from the State Dept C_U_L8R Sep 2019 #6
Yes, but who directed Kurt Volker to call Giuliani? Baitball Blogger Sep 2019 #7
I'm still finding it hard to believe that the State Dept sent him instructions via texts! Siwsan Sep 2019 #8
He did show Volker texts during an interview last night, though. tblue37 Sep 2019 #11
I wonder why Rudy thinks this will save him. Kurt Volker isn't officially with the State Department. fleur-de-lisa Sep 2019 #19
That text is ambiguous canetoad Sep 2019 #35
Can we find other sources than theHill? This is the second thread in a row from that shitty outfit. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2019 #9
Then don't read them... brooklynite Sep 2019 #14
? theHill is not Politico. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2019 #22
I see the same complaints about both... brooklynite Sep 2019 #23
+1 Nevermypresident Sep 2019 #26
I believe the Hill was a footnote in the WB complaint Lulu KC Sep 2019 #15
Somebody (WB) in the WH is likely to be Republicon and read Republicon news aggregators. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2019 #21
Here, Bernardo. Just doing my part. You're welcome, Brooklynite. beastie boy Sep 2019 #33
Fer cry sake! Scarsdale Sep 2019 #10
I think the better question would be durablend Sep 2019 #12
"How many traitors are in this administration?" Javaman Sep 2019 #18
Trump and his henchmen are frantically finger-pointing at each other. lagomorph777 Sep 2019 #13
the bag man squeals... Javaman Sep 2019 #17
I am absolutely flabbergasted PatSeg Sep 2019 #20
Trump was NOT "Attorney General", he was "US Attorney" brooklynite Sep 2019 #24
Trump was neither and we are lucky for that. CatMor Sep 2019 #29
I assume you meant Giuliani PatSeg Sep 2019 #36
Please keep talking Ghooliani, name everyone that was involved!! onetexan Sep 2019 #25
I am ambivalent about this... Thomas Hurt Sep 2019 #28
LOL. The rats are turning on each other. That didn't take long. SunSeeker Sep 2019 #30
He needs to be under oath duforsure Sep 2019 #31
Fishin' for a fall guy. ancianita Sep 2019 #32
But Rudy... BlueIdaho Sep 2019 #34

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
3. Hold on... Yesterday Giuliani said he has evidence that the State Department directed him to go.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:26 AM
Sep 2019

What happened to Giuliani's evidence???

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
37. His "evidence" is that he has texts from Volker. HOWEVER, and this is a big however,
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:35 PM
Sep 2019

Volker is just an unpaid, volunteer, "special US representative" to the Ukraine.

Volker is ALSO a paid DC lobbyist at the BGR group, among other things.

So the guy Rudy is holding up as "proof" that he was taking directions from the State department is a DC lobbyist.

Curiously, his page at the BGR site doesn't mention that he's a volunteer special assistant anything with the State Department.
And his State Department page doesn't mention that he's CURRENTLY a lobbyist with BGR.

HIS BGR bio:

http://bgrdc.com/b/bio/30/Ambassador-Kurt-Volker?fbclid=IwAR2sF5fdpSuwo7N-tc3MDHXSJGduoRTnDLxpeZu_BHh0DgWHe3B7mnpqrcA

Ambassador Kurt Volker provides strategic advice to BGR on a full range of international issues. He previously served as Managing Director, International, for BGR in 2011-2012.

A former career member of the U.S. Senior Foreign Service, he had more than 23 years of experience working on European policy under five presidential administrations. He served as Ambassador to NATO from 2008 to 2009, straddling the transition from the Bush to the Obama administrations.

From July 2005 to June 2008, Ambassador Volker served as Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs.

SNIP

HIS STATE BIO:

https://www.state.gov/biographies/kurt-volker/

Ambassador Kurt Volker is a leading expert in U.S. foreign and national security policy with some 30 years of experience in a variety of government, academic, and private sector capacities. Ambassador Volker serves as Executive Director of The McCain Institute for International Leadership, a part of Arizona State University based in Washington, DC. He is also a non-resident Senior Fellow at the Center for Transatlantic Relations at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies, a Senior Advisor at the Atlantic Council, and a Trustee of IAU College in Aix-en-Provence, France. He is a consultant to international business, a member of the Board of Directors of CG Funds Trust, and had previously served as Managing Director, International, for BGR Group. He has taught Transatlantic Relations at The George Washington University Elliott School of International Affairs. In July, 2017, Secretary of State Tillerson appointed Ambassador Volker as U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,966 posts)
4. It's only a pretext for the Mob Racket tactics against US ally in support of tRump campaign
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:28 AM
Sep 2019

Who directed the State Department to lean on Ukraine to fabricate crap against tRump political opponent? Pompeo? Barr?

It's all a coverup. Once Giuliani got his fig leaf cover letter, he was free to tell Zelensky "Nice little country you got there. Shame if we let Putin eat another chunk."

smb

(3,471 posts)
16. Why Would He Be Frightened?
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:35 AM
Sep 2019

They can't lock him up; he'd just turn into a bat and fly between the bars.

C_U_L8R

(44,992 posts)
6. Crickets from the State Dept
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:34 AM
Sep 2019

I don't see a rush of defenders. Corrupt Rudy is having a Wily Coyote Ran Off The Cliff moment.

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
7. Yes, but who directed Kurt Volker to call Giuliani?
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:38 AM
Sep 2019

Bet it was Trump since it seems to be a pattern of his to ask people to call on his people.

Siwsan

(26,251 posts)
8. I'm still finding it hard to believe that the State Dept sent him instructions via texts!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:39 AM
Sep 2019

Admittedly, I'm not the most technically savvy individual, but how secure can that be??

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
19. I wonder why Rudy thinks this will save him. Kurt Volker isn't officially with the State Department.
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:51 AM
Sep 2019

Volker serves in a "volunteer capacity" as a Special Representative for Ukraine but his real job is executive director of the McCain Institute for International Leadership.

brooklynite

(94,372 posts)
14. Then don't read them...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:09 AM
Sep 2019

They write stories about politics. Too many people are unhappy because some stories aren't 100% supportive of their political view.

POLITICO did a major reveal of the corruption of Jerry Falwell Jr. at Liberty University, but of course they're "pro-Trump" because they run factually true stories about issues regarding the candidate of your choice.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
10. Fer cry sake!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:39 AM
Sep 2019

How many traitors are in this administration? Any honest people had better come forward - PRONTO - before they are accused of wrongdoing. So, Kushner, Ivanka and Rudy operate globally without security clearances? Talk about the "gang who couldn't shoot straight" Seems none of them know exactly what they are doing, except that other people have to take the blame when the doo doo hits the windmill. Yet, here comes the gop with every excuse under the sun, to cover their orange mistake with a cloak of innocence in all of this. What happened to this country?

durablend

(7,456 posts)
12. I think the better question would be
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:01 AM
Sep 2019

How many *aren't* traitors? That'd wittle the list down to just a handful (if even that)

Javaman

(62,504 posts)
17. the bag man squeals...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 09:45 AM
Sep 2019

like a typical repuke; something is only a problem when it happens to him. now, suddenly, he's willing to take everyone down to save his own skin.

a den of thieves.

PatSeg

(47,282 posts)
20. I am absolutely flabbergasted
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:01 AM
Sep 2019

at how stupid this man is. He once was attorney general of New York, so I'm assuming he does know the law. Yet he is so careless and reckless in public, making himself an easy target for any zealous prosecutor or even a simple "country lawyer". He sounds really scared now. Did he really not know that this day was coming?

PatSeg

(47,282 posts)
36. I assume you meant Giuliani
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 03:24 PM
Sep 2019

"Giuliani served as United States Associate Attorney General from 1981 to 1983. That year he became the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, holding the position until 1989." Wikipedia

I'm sorry, I should have said Associate Attorney General. My point though was he clearly should know the law well enough, to realize he was heading off a cliff.

onetexan

(13,024 posts)
25. Please keep talking Ghooliani, name everyone that was involved!!
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:41 AM
Sep 2019

Keep pointing your sorry little finger on your very small hands

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
28. I am ambivalent about this...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:49 AM
Sep 2019

I can see Rudy lying through his teeth about State asking him to go when he really went at the behest of the President.

I can see the Trump State Dept sending him, just cuz it has been taken over by incompetents and apparatchiks.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
34. But Rudy...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 12:51 PM
Sep 2019

On Fox News you held up your phone and said the proof is all right here. So - show us the proof.

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