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OnlinePoker

(5,722 posts)
Tue Oct 22, 2019, 11:55 PM Oct 2019

Estheticians don't have to wax male genitalia against their will, B.C. tribunal rules

Source: CBC News

Transgender woman loses complaint against estheticians who refused her service

The B.C. Human Rights Tribunal has ruled against a transgender woman who brought 15 discrimination complaints after she was refused wax services at more than a dozen beauty salons.

Jessica Yaniv, who identifies as female but has male genitalia, contacted the businesses through Facebook messages requesting appointments, including for a Brazilian wax which is a service to remove most or all female pubic hair.

But according to Tuesday's decision, "... human rights legislation does not require a service provider to wax a type of genitals they are not trained for and have not consented to wax."

Read more: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/transgender-woman-human-rights-waxing-1.5330807



From what I read when this first came up, there were estheticians in the area that had no problem doing this but Jessica Yaniv chose to pursue those who would not and then take a human rights tribunal case against them. These tribunals can and have levied stiff fines in the past, awarding the complainants tens of thousands of dollars. In this case, Yaniv now has to pay $6k.
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Estheticians don't have to wax male genitalia against their will, B.C. tribunal rules (Original Post) OnlinePoker Oct 2019 OP
The tribunal made the right decision. I am glad they saw that the women in this profession have emmaverybo Oct 2019 #1
EW.......... LeftInTX Oct 2019 #2
My girlfriend gets one Polybius Oct 2019 #4
I'm almost 63 and buy bathing suits that look like sarongs...LOL LeftInTX Oct 2019 #5
Lol! Polybius Oct 2019 #23
I totally agree with this ruling Polybius Oct 2019 #3
Now I'll have to cancel my Friday appointment, I was really looking forward to my first Brazilian. braddy Oct 2019 #6
So if a male customer asked for a waxing of their genitalia would they be denied? OUCH! YOHABLO Oct 2019 #7
No, they'd be directed to waxers trained for male genitalia. Female & male genitalia v different. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #22
Like gluten-free v non gluten free wedding cakes are different LanternWaste Oct 2019 #26
this is totally like not having to bake cakes for gay couples, right? certainot Oct 2019 #8
While I normally avoid this comment... GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #9
I can't even... n/t TygrBright Oct 2019 #10
While I think "personal belief" exemptions like those the current US SCOTUS finds palatable RockRaven Oct 2019 #11
+1. Baking a cake is baking a cake no matter who you are doing in for. meadowlander Oct 2019 #12
Well, regardless of client gender, I file this under "WORST JOBS EVER" hlthe2b Oct 2019 #13
But some days it can be the best job ever Polybius Oct 2019 #24
Wax on Bob Loblaw Oct 2019 #14
Glad the workers have choices in this matter IronLionZion Oct 2019 #15
The advertising for the estheticians' shop just writes itself, doesn't it? Glorfindel Oct 2019 #16
Why would you not do that yourself? Hotler Oct 2019 #17
Have you ever tried? MrsCoffee Oct 2019 #19
Is BC like PC? milestogo Oct 2019 #18
Or BC like more than 2000 years ago. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2019 #20
Just someone trying to use the legal system christx30 Oct 2019 #21
Saw him interviewed on tv... VarryOn Oct 2019 #25
You may think that the person is disgusting and wrong Cal Carpenter Oct 2019 #27
Yaniv is a creep. Sapient Donkey Oct 2019 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Sophia_Of_PlanetX Oct 2019 #29

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
1. The tribunal made the right decision. I am glad they saw that the women in this profession have
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:01 AM
Oct 2019

rights too.

LeftInTX

(25,380 posts)
2. EW..........
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:17 AM
Oct 2019

Did I need to know this??

Hopefully Jessica can find someone to do a Brazilian wax. (As a female, no way would I want a Brazilian wax, but to each their own)

Polybius

(15,433 posts)
4. My girlfriend gets one
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:19 AM
Oct 2019

She loves how smooth it makes her feel, and no longer has to shave every day.

LeftInTX

(25,380 posts)
5. I'm almost 63 and buy bathing suits that look like sarongs...LOL
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:21 AM
Oct 2019

I still wear short shorts, but not that short and avoid wearing them to events where people are likely to look. Heck I kinda don't much care anymore...LOL

Polybius

(15,433 posts)
23. Lol!
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:27 PM
Oct 2019

Honestly, you know the best place to be is for people no longer caring? The nude beach. I go every year, and it's one of the most care-free places around. All ages, all bodies, and very few pervs.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
26. Like gluten-free v non gluten free wedding cakes are different
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:38 PM
Oct 2019

And may require to be directed to a different baker trained in gluten-free baking.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
8. this is totally like not having to bake cakes for gay couples, right?
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:44 AM
Oct 2019

can't wait for all those rw radio stations to spend months pushing this to the supreme court!

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
9. While I normally avoid this comment...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 12:55 AM
Oct 2019

This falls into First World problem!

So I agree, people who wax genitals for a living can choose which type they wax! Never thought I would post that.

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
11. While I think "personal belief" exemptions like those the current US SCOTUS finds palatable
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:17 AM
Oct 2019

are utter BS... the OP's blurb indicates the tribunal found this to be an issue of training (and consent).

I am very, very, very much in favor of lack-of-competence/training/familiarity exemptions. People should not be doing things they are not competent to do because of otherwise-legitimate social and legal pressure not to discriminate against protected classes.

meadowlander

(4,397 posts)
12. +1. Baking a cake is baking a cake no matter who you are doing in for.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:13 AM
Oct 2019

So is filing a marriage license or filling a prescription.

Waxing male junk and waxing female junk is not the same job. You shouldn't be able to force people to offer a service they don't actually offer.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
13. Well, regardless of client gender, I file this under "WORST JOBS EVER"
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 06:16 AM
Oct 2019

Last edited Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:43 PM - Edit history (1)

yuck

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
15. Glad the workers have choices in this matter
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 07:57 AM
Oct 2019

since waxing genitals is quite different from baking a cake, because of the genitals.

Ms Yaniv can probably find someone else if she wanted it badly enough. The tribunal made the right ruling.

Glorfindel

(9,730 posts)
16. The advertising for the estheticians' shop just writes itself, doesn't it?
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 08:16 AM
Oct 2019

"We gladly wax male genitalia." I'm sure the lines would stretch around the block for such a service.

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
19. Have you ever tried?
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 10:42 AM
Oct 2019

Nothing like handling hot wax whilst balancing in a position to see exactly where you are applying it.... then forcing yourself to rip it off in the correct direction at the right speed. Front to back and everything in between.

I’ll pass, lol.



JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
20. Or BC like more than 2000 years ago.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 10:51 AM
Oct 2019

The ancient Egyptians just called it "Unknown Territory Wax", since Brazil had not yet been created.

Or, yeah, British Columbia.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
21. Just someone trying to use the legal system
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 10:59 AM
Oct 2019

to steal money. Glad they got slapped down. Time to get a job and work like the rest of us.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
25. Saw him interviewed on tv...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 01:36 PM
Oct 2019

A most disgusting individual. Totally did all this in bad faith to make a buck.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
27. You may think that the person is disgusting and wrong
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:56 PM
Oct 2019

but there is no excuse for you to deliberately mis-gender her.

She identifies as female. Her name is Jessica.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
28. Yaniv is a creep.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:15 AM
Oct 2019

If I didn't know better I would assume this person was a right-wing plant meant to discredit trans people. She pretty much purposely hits every topic in the most outlandish way that it gives ammunition to the conservatives. Sadly she is legit person who at least on appearances seems to be who she claims to be, but just happens to be a really horrible person.

As far as I can tell, Yaniv doesn't have much support from the trans community either. She a troll who uses transgender identity as a weapon/tool to get attention and to be a legitimate pervert. I have no idea if Yaniv actually has gender dysphoria or if it's just a very elaborate troll/hoax, but I refer to yaniv as female out of respect for others trans people who may not know the entire story of this person rather than for yaniv.

I am glad the tribunals ruled the way they did. Maybe Yaniv will go away, but I doubt it because she loves the negative attention.

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