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demmiblue

(36,865 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:00 PM Oct 2019

The House passes a bill that makes animal cruelty a federal felony

Source: CNN

(CNN)The House has unanimously passed a bill that makes animal cruelty a federal felony.

The PACT Act -- which stands for Preventing Animal Cruelty and Torture -- was approved by the House on Tuesday. The bipartisan act, introduced by Florida congressmen Ted Deutch and Vern Buchanan, will revise a previous law passed in 2010.

"The torture of innocent animals is abhorrent and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law," Buchanan said. "Passing the PACT Act sends a strong message that this behavior will not be tolerated."

Currently, federal law only explicitly prohibits animal fighting, and only criminalizes wrongdoers when they create and sell videos depicting the actual animal cruelty.


Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/23/politics/house-passes-pact-act-trnd/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2019-10-23T18%3A50%3A03



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The House passes a bill that makes animal cruelty a federal felony (Original Post) demmiblue Oct 2019 OP
GREAT NEWS!! Bayard Oct 2019 #1
Just curious MissMillie Oct 2019 #2
wide range of laws; wide range of loopholes; wide range of enforcement capabilities and priorities.. hlthe2b Oct 2019 #10
My dogs come inside and are in their crates if leftyladyfrommo Oct 2019 #15
Private prison companies... JohnnyRingo Oct 2019 #14
OMG!! About time. 😃😻 Duppers Oct 2019 #3
good... dhill926 Oct 2019 #4
GOOD!! Sugar Smack Oct 2019 #5
Now how will the Senate vote on it sakabatou Oct 2019 #6
What about a bill to make it a felony to keep children in small cages? cstanleytech Oct 2019 #7
Now we can watch the Senate do nothing once again RainCaster Oct 2019 #8
Finally. sinkingfeeling Oct 2019 #9
Fucking A! BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #11
excelent! drray23 Oct 2019 #12
I'll come out as against this law. JohnnyRingo Oct 2019 #13
Uggh. There is nothing about the overt and grotesque incidents of animal cruelty that should lead hlthe2b Oct 2019 #16
This law isn't "tougher". JohnnyRingo Oct 2019 #18
Only problem in your argument ... mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #19
I didn't know that. JohnnyRingo Oct 2019 #21
Hope that includes Seedersandleechers Oct 2019 #17
I was gonna say the same! mr_lebowski Oct 2019 #20

MissMillie

(38,560 posts)
2. Just curious
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:20 PM
Oct 2019

and not trying to be sarcastic; I just wonder if I'm missing something.

Are there states that do not prosecute animal cruelty and torture? Or are there states that consider it a misdemeanor?

Members of the House apparently felt this needed to be put into the hands of federal law enforcement rather than the states. Are the states slacking off?

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
10. wide range of laws; wide range of loopholes; wide range of enforcement capabilities and priorities..
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 04:39 PM
Oct 2019

I haven't read the text, but I am glad to see this moving forward.

Next, we need a Federal law, much like Colorado's that addresses Law Enforcement lethal destruction of family pets when entering homes--with or without a warrant (no-knock). I honestly don't know what kind of monsters some locales are hiring, but I saw a poll not too long ago conducted in a couple of cities that showed a really poor degree of concern for pets among police officers and especially new recruits. (and obviously, I'd bet that correlates with low consideration for children and other 'collateral' damage).

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
14. Private prison companies...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 09:36 PM
Oct 2019

are always lobbying to make state offenses federal. Every new federal law is a bump in corporate profits.

So now instead of locking abusers up in county jail or a state prison, they'll be in with serial killers, terrorists, and tax cheats. Just kidding, they never lock up tax cheats.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
13. I'll come out as against this law.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 09:30 PM
Oct 2019

I know it's not a popular stance, but it's not because I hate animals. Quite the opposite is true, but what I see is another federal law that will add to the overcrowding in federal prisons. I wouldn't be surprised if this law was sponsored by Corrections Corporation Of America in hope of snagging clients headed to state lock ups.

It's not like it was OK before today to torture animals in any of the 50 states, but it's a feel good law for animal lovers. This is not going to be a deterrent, just a shift in jurisdiction. How long before we federalize DUIs, shoplifting, and burglary. The FBI should have bigger fish to fry.

Federal prisons should be reserved for those who commit crimes against humanity and tax cheats.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
16. Uggh. There is nothing about the overt and grotesque incidents of animal cruelty that should lead
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:25 AM
Oct 2019

you to defend against strict laws and enforcement. Episodes in recent years across the country should make anyone's skin crawl, just as the obscene incidents with child cruelty. Would you likewise argue against increase protection of children via tougher laws because it might result in more people imprisoned?

Uggh. I just can't fathom a progressive so downplaying the impact and importance of animal cruelty. I just can't. It isn't a difference of "opinion or approach." It is a difference in what I consider humanity.



I don't want to argue with you. I am just appalled and disgusted.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
18. This law isn't "tougher".
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 11:08 AM
Oct 2019

It's just a new federal standard. Many states likely have stricter laws than this, maybe some don't.

The goal of this law is to make you feel good and transfer offenders into the federal for-profit prison system. More people are now likely to get probation because of overcrowding unless we build more prisons, and that's the whole idea. The very nature of private business is to expand.

Child abuse isn't even a federal crime... yet.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
19. Only problem in your argument ...
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 03:40 PM
Oct 2019

Outside immigrants, Federal prisoners are less statistically likely to be held by private prisons than state prisoners.

Only 27K prisoners out of 121K total prisoners in private prisons, are federal prisoners. So, less that 1 in 4 privately held prisoners is a federal prisoner.

Ergo, you're much more likely to be in a private prison if you're a non-federal prisoner.


JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
21. I didn't know that.
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 09:58 PM
Oct 2019

I thought private companies exclusively owned federal lock ups. Thanks for the edification.

Still, the libertarian in me favors fewer laws when practical. i don't think this one has much use other than making politicians look warm and fuzzy, so to speak. And that's why DJT will do one of his show & tell moves on camera at the Resolution Desk when he signs it.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
20. I was gonna say the same!
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 03:43 PM
Oct 2019

Keeping poor cows and pigs in cages too small for them to turn around is a f***ing TRAVESTY, and OBVIOUS animal cruelty.

No doubt Big Ag is exempt from something like this, however, given their lobbying power.

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