Leaving Neverland: Court rules accusers can sue Michael Jackson companies

[Omaha Steve]

Source: BBC

9 hours ago

Wade Robson and James Safechuck claim they were abused by the singer in the late 80s and early 90s while staying at his Neverland ranch.

Jackson died in 2009 but his family have denied the claims.

They described the documentary Leaving Neverland as a "public lynching".

A lower court had dismissed lawsuits brought by the two men in 2014 because California's statute of limitations required that claims of childhood sexual abuse be filed before an accuser's 26th birthday.



Jackson died in 2009 but his family have denied the claims made against him


Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50990766

[Farmer-Rick]

1. Twenty-six seemed like such an arbitrary statute of limitations.

Why 26? Why not 25 or 27? Anyway pedophilia should not have a limitation.

If you abuse a child it should haunt you the rest of your life. And the wealth you accumulated, even in your death, should be used to pay for that crime.

[cstanleytech]

2. Pedophilia isn't a crime though it's acting on it that

will land your ass in jail.

[Farmer-Rick]

5. Well that's true

It is a psychological disorder.

But acting on that psychological disorder is a crime with a very, very high recidivism rate. Once acted upon, it seems it can not be stopped unless castration is used (chemical or otherwise).

Very few admitted pedophiles have NOT acted upon the desire.

But I'll give you that someone out there is only sexually attracted to children and has never acted on their sexual desires.

And some people want to have sex with children because they like weird, kinky sex. Some men have sex with little girls but would also have sex with adults. Not sure if you would call that person a pedophile. I think with them it is more about control, seeing women as others and wanting to feel young through sex.

Epstein's clients, the religious with multiple wives who marry underage girls and Trump come to mind.

[cstanleytech]

6. " is a crime with a very, very high recidivism rate." Not according to this report

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsorsp9yfu0514.pdf
According to it they are however more likely to receive far longer sentences than other criminals.

[Farmer-Rick]

7. That is for all sex crimes not for sex crimes on children

All crime has about an 83% rate after 9 years. The longer time period the study the higher the re-arrest rate.
https://www.bjs.gov › pdfPDF
Web results
2018 Update on Prisoner Recidivism - Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS)

But for a real study of child sexual abuse, we need to look at phallometry. If a convicted admitted pedophile is tested to determine their arousal to children, their arousal is usually very stable over long periods of time unless they are castrated. That is if a person who is attracted to a child and committed a crime claims they are cured and then is tested. They are still found to be attracted to children.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_plethysmograph

[cstanleytech]

8. Again the issue is not their arousal rather the topic is the actual recidivism rate

which means them being willing to risk committing the crime again.
Besides if we jailed people on maybes the prisons would be even fuller than they are now.

[Farmer-Rick]

9. Again these are convicted child sex preditors

If a child sex preditor, an admitted pedophile, who almost killed the 20 children they attacked, said they wouldn't ever do it again you would let them out on their word?

These are admitted pedophiles who are jailed for child sex crimes. You want to let them out to rape again just because You trust them.

Often these pedophiles are offered a chance out if they pass the test or agree to chemical castration. Very rarely are they let out because...you know...it's just a thought.

[cstanleytech]

10. "You want to let them out to rape again" No, I simply pointed out that the governments

own report does not appear offhand to support your claim that they have a higher recidivism rate than other criminals.
If you want longer prison times for them that is ok by me as I have no problem with that.

[Farmer-Rick]

11. That report is about all sex crimes not child sex crimes

The report I posted from the US government clearly shows their methods are questionable because as the period of time is increased, the rate increases...83% after 9 years for all crime.

Phallometry is a better indicator for recidivism.

Here's the thing. Think about the type of person that turns you on. You probably have acted on getting that kind of person to be your sex partner (of their own free will of course). Now tell me how I can change your desire for that kind of person. If you are like most people, there is nothing I can do, no punishment, no rehabilitation, no naked pictures of other types of people, nothing can be done to change the type of person you desire as a sex partner.

Now, the same applies to admitted pedophiles who have sexually abused children. Nothing will really change their sexual desire for children. And since they have already allowed themselves to act on it, they are not likely to stop.

[cstanleytech]

12. Phallometry only detects arousal though as it has no way to peer into the future and see who will

make the decision to go and repeat their crime.
For those at high risk about the only real thing you can do once they are released is monitor them including with gps tracking system that warns law enforcement should go to a place where there are alot of children.

[janterry]

3. Good, I hope the estate loses

should any assets remain, they should be donated to other victims of abuse.

Whenever I hear his music, all I can think about is what he did. If it comes on radio, I turn it off.

[cstanleytech]

4. I thought any such extensions only applied to acts that were still within the current statute at

the time?

[BigmanPigman]

13. Whenever I hear a Beatles song on a TV commercial

I think of Jackson making money from its use. I believe he (his estate now) bought all the rights to the Beatles songs after he tricked his pal at the time, Paul McCartney. I have been pissed over that since it happened.

[not_the_one]

15. Paul, in 2017, got the rights back to many of the Beatles songs...

https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/paul-mccartney-beatles-rights-win/

[Marthe48]

14. hope this sets a precedent for epstein's victims

and other child rape victims.