Ukrainian Airlines plane crashes in Tehran shortly after takeoff
Source: CNN
By Artemis Moshtaghian and Joshua Berlinger, CNN
Updated 0340 GMT (1140 HKT) January 8, 2020
(CNN)A Boeing 737 plane carrying 180 passengers and crew crashed shortly after takeoff from Imam Khomeini Airport in Tehran early Wednesday local time, Iran's semi-official news agency ISNA reported.
The Ukranian Airlines plane crashed due to technical difficulties, according to ISNA.
This is a developing story and will be updated
Read more: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/07/middleeast/plane-crash-iran-intl-hnk/index.html
applegrove
(118,685 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)I'm not real big on believing in coincidences.
inwiththenew
(972 posts)From what I can gather on twitter. Granted it's early and more could come out but if true what a bunch of morons.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Link to tweet
Original tweet (the source has a blue check, FWIW)
Link to tweet
الحدث ✔ @AlHadath
#إيران أنباء عن سقوط الطائرة الأوكرانية نتيجة إصابتها بصاروخ إيراني عن طريق الخطأ
Translated from Arabic by Google
#إيران News of the Ukrainian plane crashing as a result of accidentally injuring an Iranian missile
10:58 PM · Jan 7, 2020
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)the plane accidentally injured the missile?
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)That would be a silly thing to do.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Boeing just yesterday disclosed a new trim problem
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)And of course news searching for 737 is now completely useless.
Though come to think of it it wasn't trim, it was that the wires in the tail are too close together and might short.
EDIT here it is. MAX only, as it turns out:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/06/boeing-faa-reviewing-wiring-issue-that-could-cause-short-circuit-on-737-max.html
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)I've flown on this type several times. The 800 entered service early in 1997. US carrier Southwest has over 200 of this model in their current fleet. The 737-800 model has 10 crashes with fatalities including this one today.
My understanding is that the wiring in the tail did not cause or contribute to either crash of the MAX.
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)
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AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)herding cats
(19,565 posts)They're gone now.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)"According to preliminary information, the plane crashed as a result of an engine failure for technical reasons. Currently, the version of a terrorist attack is ruled out," the embassy said on the Ukraine Foreign Ministry's website.
Among the victims were 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians including all the crew, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Britons and three Germans, Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko said.
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said he was cutting short a trip to Oman and flying back to Kyiv. He warned against "speculation or unchecked theories regarding the catastrophe" until official reports were ready.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51029994
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752 to Kyiv went down after taking off from Imam Khomeini airport in Tehran at 06:12 local time (02:42 GMT).
The majority of passengers were from Iran and Canada.
Ukraine's Tehran embassy initially blamed engine failure but later removed the statement.
It said any comment regarding the cause of the accident prior to a commission's inquiry was not official.
Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelensky, warned against "speculation or unchecked theories regarding the catastrophe" until official reports were ready.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)A plane with engine failure (assuming it goes down, which most won't under most conditions) would crash in a controlled fashion and leave debris in the line of flight.
What they won't do is blow up in the sky suddenly and leave a circular debris field.
That's a bomb or a missile.
I've been in combat and people shot at shadows when under fire. You know the SAM operators in Iran were at a state of high freak out, as they are targets themselves. One just fired.
If you recall, the USA did this to an Iranian aircraft a decade or so ago that overflew a carrier group against orders.
Innocent people getting blown up is just part of combat.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)From the FlightRadar24 Twitter page:
Link to tweet
along with this graphic:
Looks like she came down very fast from ~8,000 feet.
KY............
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Maybe there was a catastrophic loss of power with whatever happened @ 8000'? Or, did the aircraft disintegrate @ 8000'?
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)the aircraft on fire as it plunged from a high altitude, and the descent was very rapid. Something must have destroyed the flight data transponders at high altitude.
Seems that would be caused either by catastrophic fuel system explosion (like the one out off Long Island), or a bomb exploding on-board (like the one out of Egypt) or a missile hit. I suppose a severe catastrophic engine failure could also light up an aircraft if flying debris hit the fuel tanks.
Considering the very raw political environment and the governments involved, I'm not sure this event will receive a proper investigation. They might not even allow Boeing in the country. Hell, they may even ask Russia to help conduct the investigation.
Brings back memories of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shot down over Ukraine in 2014. Not saying this one was shot down, but the extreme rapid loss of altitude and total destruction of the aircraft is similar.
Iran may have radar data they have not released as well....and may choose not to. Will be interesting to see who they ask to analyze the black boxes. I'm almost sure they don't have the capability and if I recall correctly, there's only a few labs in the world that can do it.
I'm not really familiar with flight tracking systems but just like to tinker with it on-line within the limitations of what they allow for free.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)A shame, since I trust them over just about any other govt agency I can think of.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Almost no system failures could cause a result like that.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)US intelligence is taking a look at the crash of the Ukrainian jet last night, a US official tells CNN, as suspicions rise about what could have caused a Boeing jet to crash near the Tehran airport shortly after takeoff.
If there was a missile fired, there would be a heat signature that would be captured by US military and intelligence systems. So far, a review of the imagery has not found any telltale sign, according to another US official, but the scrutiny continues.
Intelligence analysts will also review images of the wreckage for indications of explosions from inside or outside the aircraft, as well as other intelligence.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)SHAHEDSHAHR, IRAN -- Dozens of Canadians were among the 176 people killed in a plane crash just minutes after taking off from the Iranian capital's main airport, Ukraine's minister of foreign affairs said.
Vadym Prystaiko said 63 Canadians, 82 Iranians and 11 Ukrainians were on board-- the Ukrainian nationals included two passengers and the nine crew. There were also 10 Swedish, four Afghan, three German and three British nationals.
It remains unclear what happened. Qassem Biniaz, a spokesman for Iran's Road and Transportation Ministry, said it appeared a fire struck one of its engines.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/63-canadians-killed-in-plane-crash-near-tehran-ukrainian-official-1.4757783
brooklynite
(94,597 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I doubt we'll ever get the real story, though.
It's just too strange a coincidence. In thinking "cui bono?" I couldn't come up with anything; it depends on a) who was on board and b) possibly a case of mistaken identity. Airliners have been downed before by both the Russian and US militaries.
Eugene
(61,900 posts)Source: The Guardian
Comments come as Ukrainian president says priority is to find those responsible for this terrible catastrophe
Peter Beaumont in London, Michael Safi in Beirut and Rebecca Ratcliffe
Wed 8 Jan 2020 15.18 GMT
Last modified on Wed 8 Jan 2020 15.24 GMT
Irans aviation authority will not hand over flight recorders from the Ukraine International Airlines Boeing 737-800 jet that crashed moments after take-off from Tehran killing all 176 passengers and crew, either to the aircrafts manufacturer or US aviation authorities.
The announcement by Irans Civil Aviation Organisation head, Ali Abedzadeh, follows the launch of an urgent inquiry into the crash by the Ukrainian government, which itself rowed back on an earlier statement ruling out an act of terror.
Announcing on his Facebook page that Ukraine would send a team of experts to Iran later on Wednesday, the countrys president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said: Our priority is to establish the truth and those responsible for this terrible catastrophe.
The developments have fuelled uncertainty around the circumstances of the crash, which came only hours after Iran had fired a volley of intermediate range ballistic missiles at bases used by US forces in neighbouring Iraq in relation for Americas assassination of the powerful Iranian general Qassem Suleimani in Baghdad on Friday.
Commenting after the discovery of the black box flight recorders at the crash site, Abedzadeh said: We will not give the black boxes to the manufacturer (Boeing) and the Americans. Its not yet clear which country the black box will go to for the investigation, he added.
-snip-
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/08/iran-says-it-will-not-give-black-box-from-crashed-airliner-to-boeing
Baclava
(12,047 posts)But leaving out the manufacturer of the plane is not something normally done.
If they know they shot it down and are just stalling thats a whole nother kettle of fish
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)It should the plane flying along normally and then getting blown up.
The fog of war.
clementine613
(561 posts)... to frame the Iranians as a pretext for further war.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)No chance.
clementine613
(561 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)They're inviting Boeing and the NTSB to investigate.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Any crash investigation should have representatives of the plane manufacturer, engine manufacturer, and the transportation safety organization of the country of manufacture. So Boeing and NTSB from USA and CFM International for engines. Since CFMi is a dual country company, the French BEA might get involved officially.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)I'm hoping it's a goodwill thing. We'll see, I guess.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Lets hope no antics come out of this. While representatives are invited, you know any US rep will be concerned for their safety.