Italy Surpasses China In Number Of Coronavirus Deaths

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Source: CNN

Rome (CNN) -- Italy has just surpassed China for the most number of deaths related to coronavirus.

The total number of cases in the country rose to 41,035 on Thursday, which includes 5,322 new cases, the Italian Civil Protection Agency said at a news conference.

The number of deaths in Italy has reached 3,405, making Italy the world's deadliest center of the Covid-19 outbreak.

The current number of deaths in China stands at 3,242, according to the World Health Organization.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/europe/italy-death-toll-intl/index.html

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More, NPR, 'Every Single Individual Must Stay Home:' Italy's Coronavirus Deaths Pass China's,' March 19, 2020

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/817974987/every-single-individual-must-stay-home-italy-s-coronavirus-deaths-pass-china-s

(NPR). Daniela De Rosa, a 43-year-old veterinarian in Italy's southwest Campania region, made a video message over the weekend as she was hospitalized with COVID-19. Her video plea has gathered much attention in Italy, which has just surpassed China in the number of reported deaths from the new coronavirus.

- "I've been in isolation in a hospital room for so many days I've lost count," she says. "I have no contact with anyone other than doctors twice a day." "Very few people understand what's happening. I want people to see I'm suffering," De Rosa continues. "Every single individual must stay home and not endanger the lives of others," she insists.-

Since the video was shared on Facebook last Sunday, it has racked up more than 11 million views.

As of Thursday, Italy has registered 41,035 diagnoses of the coronavirus and 3,405 deaths. The death toll is now higher than China's known COVID-19 deaths of over 3,200. Earlier this month, Italy became the first Western country to launch a nationwide lockdown to contain the outbreak, but despite strict measures, the number of cases continues to rise.

Italy has a universal health care system. But now, its hospitals and medical staff are overwhelmed, prompting anguished debate. The Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care has issued guidelines for what it calls a "catastrophe medicine"-like scenario. The college put it starkly: Given the serious shortage of health resources, patients with the "best chance of success and hope of life" should have access to intensive care, the organization says...

Italy is treating the coronavirus pandemic like a wartime emergency. Health officials are scrambling to set up more beds. In Milan, the old fair grounds is being turned into an emergency COVID-19 hospital with 500 new beds; across the country, hospitals are setting up inflatable tents outdoors for triage.

Other countries can learn important lessons from Italy, says Dr. Giuseppe Remuzzi, co-author of a recent paper in The Lancet about the country's dire situation. The takeaways include how to swiftly convert a general hospital into a coronavirus care unit with specially trained doctors and nurses.

"We had dermatologists, eye doctors, pathologists, learning how to assist a person with a ventilator," Remuzzi says.

Some question why Italy was caught off guard when the virus outbreak was revealed on Feb. 21. - More Above...




- A patient in a biocontainment unit on a stretcher being transported from an ambulance to a Rome hospital, March 17.

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#Coronavirus #ArianoIrpino - Testimonianza della Dott.ssa Daniela De Rosa

[msongs]

1. Italy has universal health care nt

[Igel]

6. And the numbers I've seen say that

the US has nearly 3x the number of ICU beds per 1000 people.

[ffr]

2. India and the U.S. both move up on the number of confirmed cases.

Both nations have little or limited testing.

Yes, the U.S. is a third-world country when it comes to protecting its people. But I think it's beginning to sink in to some of the Cutl45 that people are dying at an alarming rate from this contagious virus.

[Steelrolled]

9. We've done about 38,000 tests so far, not including the last couple days.

Looks like we are up to about 4,500 a day.

[dlk]

3. If the Chinese numbers can actually be believed

It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that China is suppressing the actual numbers.

[orwell]

4. Ding Ding Ding

We have a winner!

[Steelrolled]

8. True, but I think we trust South Korea more

And they seemed to have an effective strategy (so far).

[ananda]

5. Well ..

I don't think we are getting accurate, up to date
stats from China any more.

[EllieBC]

7. I know we have to pretend China was being honest with their numbers.

But how many of us really think that?

[catsudon]

10. percisely

That is why CCP is so dangerous. They want to sway all the ethnic chinese in the world to their side, under the pretext that they're all the "sons and daughters of the Yellow Emperor".

Everybody talks about jews and their galaxy-spanning conspiracies, "new world orders" and blames everything on jews. 99% of all these accusations are fabrications.

Meanwhile, we see case after case of ethnic chinese in universities and scientific institutions in the west spying for PRC, infiltrating the politics of their host countries. Just look at Australia and Canada of examples of even some Hong Kong and Taiwanese(!) people working for CCP.

All the accusations against Jews applies perfectly to the CCP. Difference is, what CCP is doing is happening before our very eyes, there is no need for fabricated conspiracies like they do against Jews.

CCP is really putting a big stain on the reputation of chinese people everywhere in the same way that Osama Bin Ladin and ISIS gave a bad reputation to muslims everywhere.

[DVDGuy]

12. So it's all a conspiracy theory?

You can be as sceptical as you want about the Chinese data, but surely the proof is in the pudding, and that the real situation on the ground, for which there are many independent reports, is more believable? Factories and stores are reopening (source: https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/13/21177964/apple-stores-china-reopened-coronavirus-covid-19 - Apple in on the conspiracy too?), temporary fever hospitals are closing and travel restrictions are all easing. Or is that all part of the conspiracy?

It seems lots of people, on both sides of the political spectrum, don't want to believe that China has done an amazing job in containing COVID-19 after early mistakes were made in Wuhan (mistakes that the Chinese government has been readily acknowledging, source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51362336). This is why mega-cities like Beijing (21 million people) and Shanghai (24 million) have so far had very few cases, and will have far fewer than cities in the U.S.

I don't know if it's pride or something else more sinister, but the failure to acknowledge the Chinese successes, which has been copied in part or in whole by other places such as Hong Kong, Singapore and South Korea, is exactly what the WHO was worried about a month ago when they saw countries were too busy criticizing China (and criticizing the WHO's praise of China), as opposed to actually learning from their successes and failures (source: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/2/21161067/coronavirus-covid19-china). Other countries have put their pride aside and requested Chinese help (source: https://theintercept.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-china-world-power/), why not the U.S.? But I suppose the WHO are in on it too, right?

There's also been a lot of criticism about the "draconian" nature of the Chinese response (although the exact same measures in Singapore and Hong Kong are being praised). Guess what? The same or even more "draconian" measures are coming to U.S. cities in the very near future. If you read the Vox article above, you'll learn that while the measure in Wuhan/Hubei was arguably draconian, it was only necessary because the outbreak was already out of control by then. Other parts of China did not enforce similar measures and they weren't needed (although the people themselves practised social distancing before we all knew it was called that) because, as the Vox article explains, China's success was all about:

1. Testing, testing, testing - test as many people as possible, no "prerequisites", no fees, and preferably allow them to do it in a way that doesn't put additional strain on the public health infrastructure (eg. mobile testing, home testing collection).

2. Quarantine, quarantine, quarantine - hospital quarantine anyone with the virus, even mild cases. People may scream "human rights", but surely the right to live and the right for others to not be infected is more paramount?

3. Contact tracing - massive resources and big data was employed for case finding and contact tracing, to not let the virus slip through the net

4. Consistent messaging - the Federal, State and Local governments all should be on the same page when it comes to how to fight and win against the virus

Even if you can't work up the courage to admit China has done some things right, you can still learn from the Singaporeans (https://theconversation.com/why-singapores-coronavirus-response-worked-and-what-we-can-all-learn-134024), which has employed the exact same method, albeit on a smaller scale.

As far as I can tell, the U.S., and Australia, where I'm from, has done none of the above. Which is why things are about to get a whole lot worse unless we get really, really lucky. I have friends in the medical community here in Australia and they cannot believe how screwed up the U.S. and the Australian response has been. The term "disaster" has been bandied about quite often.

The fact of the matter is that the COVID-19 response in the U.S. has been terrible, perhaps only slightly better than the initial Chinese response in Wuhan, but much much (much) worse than China and the rest of Asia's response when they realised the gravity of the situation. Let's not be too proud and let's admit when things are done right, regardless of where it happened.

You know what they say, pride comes before the fall ..,

[TheRickles]

11. New statistics from Italy: 95% of deaths were elderly with multiple medical diagnoses

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?fbclid=IwAR2PVA8lJJsduXllEmixWhz74DlQDgIbgDNDgQztBTHF0tt8Yorb93gVipM

This is an official government report, showing that most of the patients who died already had other medical illnesses, on average three or more. So at least in Italy, COVID was highly contagious, but lethal in a very circumscribed sub-population - the medically compromised elderly.