Crowds pack California beaches despite coronavirus order
Source: The Mercury News
Crowds descended on California beaches, hiking trails and parks over the weekend in open defiance of a state order to avoid close contact with others.
The large number of visitors prompted officials in some cities to order parks, recreation areas and beaches to close. Marin County on Sunday closed all parks local, state and federal within its boundaries.
Video and photos on social media showed groups of people standing in close contact of one another at hiking trails and beaches in Los Angeles over the weekend. Health officials urge people to maintain a distance of 6 feet from one another to prevent transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus.
In response to the crowds, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti announced on Twitter late Sunday that he was closing sports and recreation at all city parks. He also tweeted that parking at city beaches was closed.
Read more: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/23/crowds-pack-california-beaches-despite-coronavirus-order/
I generally don't like to call people stupid, but I have to ask this. How can people be so stupid? Those selfish bastards.
pnwest
(3,266 posts)as well, promoting the same types of closures. Shocking that these people are so ignorant- MORE shocking is the sheer number of people who all had the same ignorant idea.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)degage
(103 posts)Idiots are not paying attention. People without symptoms are spreading the virus.
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)Rand Paul Syndrome. Well-put.
at140
(6,110 posts)Here in St Augustine, the beach was packed with young people and the authorities had to close the beach to get them to disperse. Don't the young people realize they can infect their parents/grand parents? How selfish are they?
RAB910
(3,508 posts)I am torn. On the one hand, you want that 6 feet distance (close contact being defined by 10 minutes) but on the other hand, people need fresh air, sunshine, and exercise to maintain strong immune systems and healthy bodies
moonscape
(4,673 posts)most attractive, alluring spots where one obviously would find others with the same idea. Sacrifice means getting exercise but doing it where others are not wont to go. Its not about where is most fun or beautiful, but where one can keep oneself, ones family and others safe. This seems rather basic to me.
LisaM
(27,815 posts)We kept a huge distance from everyone we saw and they did from us - just waved from 12-20 feet away. I didn't see anyone getting closer than that. Probably the only violation I saw were a few (3-4) people together, teenagers, who looked to be friends, not household members, but I don't know for sure.
I am in Seattle and people do go to parks for walks, and I saw a person jogging by herself on the street, but other than the example mentioned above, no one in close contact, including grocery stores (one was only allowing one person in at a time, they dispensed the bulk food, handwashing on entry, everyone six feet apart, do not bring your own bags). Everyone was complying.
SunSeeker
(51,576 posts)Alas, with everyone there, that made social distancing impossible.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Or somewhere else? Nope, they decided to stay, and record their stupidity and selfishness for all the world to see.
In densely populated areas, some management needs to happen that's more thoughtful than just closing parks and beaches. Because as others have mentioned, it's good for our physical and mental health to get sunshine and fresh air. And people are going to get cabin fever soon if they can't get out at all, which won't end well.
Perhaps it could be managed something like this: Those whose last names begin in A-D can go to those public places on Mondays, etc., but only if they are able to maintain 6 feet distance from others at all times. Kind of like what they did with alternate-day gasoline rationing back in the 70's.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)The entire population of WA, OR, and CA could be properly distanced and moving within
100 feet of the Pacific Coastline at the same time.
Sgent
(5,857 posts)on my FB feed screaming about a family being too close together. Um.... Mom, dad, sister, and brother are going to either all get it or none of them. You can't live in a home, share beds, meals, etc. without that happening.
6ft isn't that far. Given the spring break situation was pretty bad, but people playing Frisbee or just walking along the levee are probably fine.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,631 posts)Juneboarder
(1,732 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,747 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Thanks Faux News, BS Youtube accounts, Federalist, hate radio, etc.
Igel
(35,323 posts)Perhaps the appropriate thing to say would be, "Question authority?"
Perhaps "resist the Man?"
It's not like progressive thought doesn't also include a bit of "resist" and rebel.
CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)The fog is very heavy and thick per usual today.
The beaches are almost always vacant except for a few that walk down dangerous trails to walk along the shore.
These is no sunshine to soak up north. Those that come here thinking they'll go to the beach tend to leave quickly as they did not bring a heavy coat and boots to combat the cold.
The sun shines at times but the climate is never suitable for sun bathers.
Surfers show up now and again to surf the dangerous heaving seas.
That is life on the beaches in northwestern Calif. which drives away many tourists seeking sunshine, parties and fun.
and goodbye Mr./Ms Tourist! Sorry this is not the Calif. you thought you'd find.
Oh well!
MarcA
(2,195 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)But living is this part of California can be very difficult at times.
Life behind the "Redwood Curtain" as it is known locally, has its own set of rules that you must learn to live by. If you don't learn quickly, you will not last long.
Many cannot take the extreme cold and storms in the winters which come directly from Alaska. It gives "cold" a new meaning and newcomers to the region cannot take it and work is slim in the best of times.
marlakay
(11,479 posts)But no doctors, and crime in the whole area bad, even in McKinleyville where we were. I miss the beaches though.
CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)Few can exist here for any length of time.
If you manage to find a job of any sort your are fortunate.
It is still minimum wage work for the most part.
marlakay
(11,479 posts)And not feeling safe to leave car at any beaches or hiking kind of did it for us.
CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)I guess I'm fortunate. I have never been robbed nor had my 20 year old car stolen or vandalized.
The guy across the street tells everyone of his guns.
He gets robbed often and has the gasoline siphoned out of his trucks often.
However, advertising that you have guns alienates the wrong people.
I keep a low profile and and am left alone luckily. However, I do not have a lot. That is kind of obvious perhaps for you see nothing in my empty backyard to steal. For the most part it is just the cats and two of us old people that are not well. We have no fancy new cars to show off, etc.
I lived in The City for many years and I was never robbed or harmed there either. I had no car when I lived there for many years living in an assortment of dumpy apartments. I grew weary of it and simply drove away one day and never went back.
Welcome to the world of 2020 eh?
marlakay
(11,479 posts)But I was scared to walk dog alone because of all the crime I read about. I moved across to Medford and in very safe neighborhood here. Lots of hiking nearby but miss ocean. We drive over a lot.
orangecrush
(19,581 posts)Traildogbob
(8,762 posts)Yeehah
(4,588 posts)We are destroying our only habitat and have allowed an imbecile to become our chief executive. Humans as a species are not very intelligent.
Journeyman
(15,036 posts)Don't know about the City Beach, where the surfers congregate, but the State Beach was empty in the late afternoon.
On edit: Just looked at the article: The picture of the City Beach was taken on Saturday, when the weather was sunny and almost warm. Sunday was overcast and rain fell around 4 pm.
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)City, state, didn't matter. Whichever had the less full parking lot was the one I went to.
I was partial to the city beach, lifeguard station number 3, because it was close to Jack In The Box.
Wish I had a time machine.
And my old transistor radio.
Evolve Dammit
(16,747 posts)I was rarely hassled for exploring, either by property owners, government officials or law enforcement. There was a commonality in understanding, that has been replaced with aggressive authority, immediate capitulation and no discussion. We have become a militarized society. It started after 9-11, so I blame W/ Cheney but you could certainly argue it started under RayGun. We were very free prior to that. Probably inconceivable by most adults under 30-40. I wish they could have what we had. Sux.
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)That's when I moved out of the area. I didn't live near the beach, but I could be there in a half an hour to 45 minutes. From grade school on, that's where we were in the summer.
It was absolute heaven. But I would go out of my mind with boredom just laying there getting a tan. I'm a very strong swimmer. Or I was, when I was younger. Haha.
So whichever way the current was pulling, I would walk in the other direction about 5 or 6 lifeguard stations, and then swim out past the waves, and swim back down to lifeguard station number 3, get out of the water, walk back up and do it all over again. Rinse and repeat.
And thank goodness for the lifeguard stations. I am blind as a bat without my glasses. But those orange lifeguard stations stuck out like a sore thumb. I knew my spot was three lifeguard stations from the pier, so I could always find my way 'home,' no matter what!
Yep, we need a time machine. We were so blessed!
Evolve Dammit
(16,747 posts)I'm glad we lived in that time and know what it felt like to have fun with minimal restraint and accountability!
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)After reading your original post, I absolutely went back in time in my memories. I've been sitting here, smiling away, thinking of all of the wonderful times I had at the beach with my family and friends.
And swimming at night by moonlight, naked and all!
Cannot imagine what would happen today if you tried to do that.
BuddhaGirl
(3,608 posts)Ate at that Jack In The Box many times, also Wimpie's.
Great beach, pier, and Main St. Of course it looks MUCH different now than the 70's, when we moved there.
Dem2theMax
(9,651 posts)There was a different smell at the beach. The food just smelled different than it did anywhere else.
One of these years I will have to drive up there. I'm in San Diego County now. I'm sure I would have culture shock over the changes. I can remember going back to my hometown some years ago. My best friend, who now lives in Colorado, we took her youngest daughter back to our hometown so we could show her all of the local sites. Half of them were gone! I don't think I ever want to go back there. Half of my childhood is missing!
At least we can live in these places in our memories.
Lucky us! The kids today have no idea of how well we had it. And it wasn't fancy. It was pure.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Its fine with me. 😉
at140
(6,110 posts)I guess they have been told covid-19 has not killed many under 30 years age.
EarthFirst
(2,901 posts)Fine every one of them.
Donate every cent to hospitals clamoring for PPE...
catsudon
(839 posts)dumb people near the beaches... or do they turn dumb near the beaches?
iluvtennis
(19,864 posts)he'll do so at the beaches.
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)...People take weather warnings in the same way. Some believe, and some think, "This is not going to happen to me, so they don't believe." Actually I think that people take weather warnings more seriously than these kind of warnings about the "virus"
...Virus warnings are "new" so why should those ..non believers...believe. Going to a beach and being in a crowd, is indeed stupid, but there is another reason too. Trump lies and lies...So why believe the media?
"The media is often wrong", people think, "so how could the media be correct on this?"
...That is it, and that is why...(It doesn't matter that political figures, and doctors, and others issue warnings....it is still part of the media's lies, and "it can't happen to me" thinking.
So, when it finally happens to enough people, then the warnings are believed. Here is an example where the warnings became law, and the laws were eventually believed because enough people saw the consequences of not doing the action....are you ready?....SEAT BELTS
I think seat belts were first put in cars sometime in the 60s. They were an extra that you paid extra for. Some people had them, & some people didn't. Eventually, everyone knew of someone who had an accident who was saved from harm by "seatbelts"...In the late 80s, laws were passed to make them mandatory on new cars, and eventually laws were passed that you had to put them on. But the key was as word got around that people's lives were saved, and serious injuries were prevented by people wearing them, (and shoulder harnesses too), then everyone started to believe that you put them on, because ..."they work"..Those of us who are older know about how long it took to believe that simple idea....
........Now, because the facts are so clear, and seatbelts and harnesses work so well, it is no longer thought about, people just put them on always, and that is that. (but only those who have been around a long time, know it took a long time for everyone to do that simple action..put your seatbelt on
former9thward
(32,030 posts)Seat belts began to be used when car makers put in the annoying buzz when you didn't have them on. That in combination with seat belt fines if you were caught without it on.
stopdiggin
(11,320 posts)at almost every step that the poster set forth. (car manufacturers, legislation, common usage, and finally legislation mandating usage) Only too accurate in pointing out that the learning curve was criminally slow .. for a common sense measure that was so demonstrably effective in saving lives! Not like the benefit was flowing toward another group, or into another pocket! You're being asked to save your own sorry as**ed life! Recalcitrant and pigheaded to the very end. Absolutely maddening!
murielm99
(30,748 posts)Are people there staying home?
Northern_Light
(18 posts)I'm in a part of CA that has been under quarantine for the last week.
On Tue I'm walking at a local park and on a fire road when 4 people came from the other direction side by side and made no attempt to give me any room. Would have been rude before a quarantine, but worse now.
Not kids either, 4 middle aged adults.
Try to be safe out there, even if others make it unsafe.
BigmanPigman
(51,613 posts)at beaches and parks. This should be a state wide order.
https://timesofsandiego.com/life/2020/03/23/officials-close-beach-parking-lots-popular-trails-to-discourage-gatherings/
DFW
(54,414 posts)The ones who can't find one country on a map of the world (including ours), and think July 4th celebrates the Civil War, etc?
sakabatou
(42,163 posts)Warpy
(111,292 posts)Coronavirus is likely very much like other viruses and susceptible to UV radiation, meaning strong sunlight. With some, it's instantaneous. With others, it takes a few minutes, with others, it can be hours. I've read about some municipalities decontaminating mass transit with UV lights, but most of the online studies cover SARS, only.
In any case, I'd expect uncrowded outdoor areas to be fairly safe, people walking 30 or so feet apart on trails or in parks or sitting on towels at beaches. Unfortunately, humans are gregarious and social, and that will raise the risk considerably. Still, I hate seeing outdoor recreation closed. People are going to crack from cabin fever a lot more quickly if they are.
Outdoors is better than indoor, and people are going to need a safety valve. I hope the mayor thinks this through very carefully.
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Igel
(35,323 posts)On the other hand, remember that the official designation given to this virus is SARS-CoV-2.
You can spend hours in the sun, but the UV disinfectant lamps would do a number on your skin in 10 minutes.
Warpy
(111,292 posts)because that's when the blisters start to pop up.
I' was thinking more about viruses on surfaced outdoors. Yes, it will be a lot more efficient from now on on the northern hemisphere, the vernal equinox being the demarcation line between adequate and inadequate amounts of Vitamin D producing sunlight in darker skinned people.
The UV in sunlight will kill the virus. Sterilizing UV does it instantly, with lockouts to make sure no one is in the room when it's operating.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I start burning immediately. Im the most Caucasian person ever.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)But please for the love of god, stay away from me. Luckily Ive been running in the early morning on the mostly-deserted trails near my house in WV. Im more afraid of breaking an ankle and ending up in the ER than seeing others.
But when the sun comes out, everyone flings their doors open and heads for the hills.
stopdiggin
(11,320 posts)congregating in packs, glad handing everyone they meet, or gassing on at length in someone else's face.
I guess everyone has their own comfort zone, but I do the rides and trails thing too and don't really find a great risk in encountering a couple other people when I'm out. We generally just nod (hat tip, tug forelock) and keep on going. Crowds (as is the topic in the OP) .. that's something else ... And I didn't really want to be there even prior to C-19.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)with hiking trails galore, and very few people. Its easy to keeps 10 or 20 foot distance, when you do come across someone.
I dont take it for granted. Things are really difficult right now, my work is closed, my daughter lives on the other side of the country, but I can take some solace in nature.
Vivienne235729
(3,384 posts)I expect it more where I live than in Marin Co. Huh. Did those dumbasses not see what happened to the Florida dumbasses? Do they not have news over there?