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totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:53 PM Mar 2020

Crowds pack California beaches despite coronavirus order

Source: The Mercury News

Crowds descended on California beaches, hiking trails and parks over the weekend in open defiance of a state order to avoid close contact with others.

The large number of visitors prompted officials in some cities to order parks, recreation areas and beaches to close. Marin County on Sunday closed all parks — local, state and federal — within its boundaries.

Video and photos on social media showed groups of people standing in close contact of one another at hiking trails and beaches in Los Angeles over the weekend. Health officials urge people to maintain a distance of 6 feet from one another to prevent transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus.

In response to the crowds, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti announced on Twitter late Sunday that he was closing sports and recreation at all city parks. He also tweeted that parking at city beaches was closed.

Read more: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/23/crowds-pack-california-beaches-despite-coronavirus-order/



I generally don't like to call people stupid, but I have to ask this. How can people be so stupid? Those selfish bastards.
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Crowds pack California beaches despite coronavirus order (Original Post) totodeinhere Mar 2020 OP
Same happened all along the WA and OR coasts pnwest Mar 2020 #1
WTF is wrong with people? nycbos Mar 2020 #2
Rand Paul Syndrome. "I feel fine, what could be wrong?" degage Mar 2020 #6
I think that should stick. Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #22
The docs should never have said young people do not die from covid-19 at140 Mar 2020 #52
Public heath here RAB910 Mar 2020 #3
Agreed. n/t MarcA Mar 2020 #4
Yes, but that doesn't justify flocking to the moonscape Mar 2020 #24
Agreed, and we went for a walk over the weekend. LisaM Mar 2020 #25
Everyone had the same idea--social distancing walks on the beach. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #5
Right, but then, when they saw the crowds, why the EFF didn't they go home? flibbitygiblets Mar 2020 #10
Actually it isn't impossible. MarcA Mar 2020 #14
I saw someone Sgent Mar 2020 #7
They are going to need the National Guard before this is over nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2020 #8
They're already here. nt Juneboarder Mar 2020 #15
I think you are correct. Unless Orange Julius intervenes with some Exec Order? Evolve Dammit Mar 2020 #31
"can't trust government, I'm gonna do what MAH RIGHTS ARE" steve2470 Mar 2020 #9
Yeah, that so describes Californians. Igel Mar 2020 #47
Not true in NW Calif. CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #11
From Eureka to the Oregon Border is a Wonderful area to visit. n/t MarcA Mar 2020 #18
It is a nice place to visit CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #37
We lived there for 2 yrs so beautiful marlakay Mar 2020 #40
yep CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #44
We were retired but the doctor thing marlakay Mar 2020 #46
That sucks CountAllVotes Mar 2020 #48
We never were robbed either very careful marlakay Mar 2020 #50
Stupidity kills. orangecrush Mar 2020 #12
Darwin Traildogbob Mar 2020 #17
Humans simply aren't that smart Yeehah Mar 2020 #13
There were no people at Huntington State Beach yesterday afternoon . . . Journeyman Mar 2020 #16
Sigh. The beaches of my youth. Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #23
There was so much more space then, and freedom to wander without police interference. Evolve Dammit Mar 2020 #33
I haven't been there since the very early 80s. Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #38
Great memories. Now there are hardly any lifeguards at our beaches due to huge budget cuts. Evolve Dammit Mar 2020 #39
Amen to that! Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #42
HB is my hometown :-) BuddhaGirl Mar 2020 #41
I swear I can still smell the hamburgers. Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #43
As long as they stay in there end of the gene pool BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #19
Nope, they could infect grand parents but their stupid genes will continue at140 Mar 2020 #53
Case Study: Florida Spring Break; 5 test positive for COVID19... EarthFirst Mar 2020 #20
there can't be that many catsudon Mar 2020 #21
This is so dumb. Gov Newson has the power to deploy the California National Guard - maybe iluvtennis Mar 2020 #26
I think the cause of this is that people do not believe the media is really telling the truth. Stuart G Mar 2020 #27
That is not my memory. former9thward Mar 2020 #36
but there was enormous resistance stopdiggin Mar 2020 #54
How are things in Long Beach? murielm99 Mar 2020 #28
Happen to me too Northern_Light Mar 2020 #29
San Diego saw the same so city officials closed the parking BigmanPigman Mar 2020 #30
Aren't these the same people Jay Leno and Jimmy Kimmel interview? DFW Mar 2020 #32
*facepalm* sakabatou Mar 2020 #34
People packed into an indoor venue of any type are stupid Warpy Mar 2020 #35
Sunlight's not that intense in the UV spectrum. Igel Mar 2020 #49
Maybe you can spend hours in the sun, my limit's 20 minutes Warpy Mar 2020 #51
Some of you can. Codeine Mar 2020 #58
I've been out for runs or mt bike rides daily. a la izquierda Mar 2020 #45
which is probably still OK as long as they aren't stopdiggin Mar 2020 #55
I feel so lucky to live in a beautiful place in Ventura County, MoonchildCA Mar 2020 #56
Paint me surprised. I didn't think people were that stupid over there. Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #57

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
1. Same happened all along the WA and OR coasts
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:58 PM
Mar 2020

as well, promoting the same types of closures. Shocking that these people are so ignorant- MORE shocking is the sheer number of people who all had the same ignorant idea.

 

degage

(103 posts)
6. Rand Paul Syndrome. "I feel fine, what could be wrong?"
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:13 PM
Mar 2020

Idiots are not paying attention. People without symptoms are spreading the virus.

at140

(6,110 posts)
52. The docs should never have said young people do not die from covid-19
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:52 PM
Mar 2020

Here in St Augustine, the beach was packed with young people and the authorities had to close the beach to get them to disperse. Don't the young people realize they can infect their parents/grand parents? How selfish are they?

RAB910

(3,508 posts)
3. Public heath here
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:00 PM
Mar 2020

I am torn. On the one hand, you want that 6 feet distance (close contact being defined by 10 minutes) but on the other hand, people need fresh air, sunshine, and exercise to maintain strong immune systems and healthy bodies

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
24. Yes, but that doesn't justify flocking to the
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 04:58 PM
Mar 2020

most attractive, alluring spots where one obviously would find others with the same idea. Sacrifice means getting exercise but doing it where others are not wont to go. It’s not about where is most fun or beautiful, but where one can keep oneself, one’s family and others safe. This seems rather basic to me.

LisaM

(27,815 posts)
25. Agreed, and we went for a walk over the weekend.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 05:07 PM
Mar 2020

We kept a huge distance from everyone we saw and they did from us - just waved from 12-20 feet away. I didn't see anyone getting closer than that. Probably the only violation I saw were a few (3-4) people together, teenagers, who looked to be friends, not household members, but I don't know for sure.

I am in Seattle and people do go to parks for walks, and I saw a person jogging by herself on the street, but other than the example mentioned above, no one in close contact, including grocery stores (one was only allowing one person in at a time, they dispensed the bulk food, handwashing on entry, everyone six feet apart, do not bring your own bags). Everyone was complying.

SunSeeker

(51,576 posts)
5. Everyone had the same idea--social distancing walks on the beach.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:06 PM
Mar 2020

Alas, with everyone there, that made social distancing impossible.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
10. Right, but then, when they saw the crowds, why the EFF didn't they go home?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:22 PM
Mar 2020

Or somewhere else? Nope, they decided to stay, and record their stupidity and selfishness for all the world to see.

In densely populated areas, some management needs to happen that's more thoughtful than just closing parks and beaches. Because as others have mentioned, it's good for our physical and mental health to get sunshine and fresh air. And people are going to get cabin fever soon if they can't get out at all, which won't end well.

Perhaps it could be managed something like this: Those whose last names begin in A-D can go to those public places on Mondays, etc., but only if they are able to maintain 6 feet distance from others at all times. Kind of like what they did with alternate-day gasoline rationing back in the 70's.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
14. Actually it isn't impossible.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:30 PM
Mar 2020

The entire population of WA, OR, and CA could be properly distanced and moving within
100 feet of the Pacific Coastline at the same time.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
7. I saw someone
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:15 PM
Mar 2020

on my FB feed screaming about a family being too close together. Um.... Mom, dad, sister, and brother are going to either all get it or none of them. You can't live in a home, share beds, meals, etc. without that happening.

6ft isn't that far. Given the spring break situation was pretty bad, but people playing Frisbee or just walking along the levee are probably fine.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
9. "can't trust government, I'm gonna do what MAH RIGHTS ARE"
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:20 PM
Mar 2020

Thanks Faux News, BS Youtube accounts, Federalist, hate radio, etc.

Igel

(35,323 posts)
47. Yeah, that so describes Californians.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:39 PM
Mar 2020

Perhaps the appropriate thing to say would be, "Question authority?"

Perhaps "resist the Man?"

It's not like progressive thought doesn't also include a bit of "resist" and rebel.

CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
11. Not true in NW Calif.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:23 PM
Mar 2020

The fog is very heavy and thick per usual today.

The beaches are almost always vacant except for a few that walk down dangerous trails to walk along the shore.

These is no sunshine to soak up north. Those that come here thinking they'll go to the beach tend to leave quickly as they did not bring a heavy coat and boots to combat the cold.

The sun shines at times but the climate is never suitable for sun bathers.

Surfers show up now and again to surf the dangerous heaving seas.

That is life on the beaches in northwestern Calif. which drives away many tourists seeking sunshine, parties and fun.

and goodbye Mr./Ms Tourist! Sorry this is not the Calif. you thought you'd find.

Oh well!



CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
37. It is a nice place to visit
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 07:15 PM
Mar 2020

But living is this part of California can be very difficult at times.

Life behind the "Redwood Curtain" as it is known locally, has its own set of rules that you must learn to live by. If you don't learn quickly, you will not last long.

Many cannot take the extreme cold and storms in the winters which come directly from Alaska. It gives "cold" a new meaning and newcomers to the region cannot take it and work is slim in the best of times.



marlakay

(11,479 posts)
40. We lived there for 2 yrs so beautiful
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 07:37 PM
Mar 2020

But no doctors, and crime in the whole area bad, even in McKinleyville where we were. I miss the beaches though.

CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
44. yep
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:45 PM
Mar 2020

Few can exist here for any length of time.

If you manage to find a job of any sort your are fortunate.

It is still minimum wage work for the most part.

marlakay

(11,479 posts)
46. We were retired but the doctor thing
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:50 PM
Mar 2020

And not feeling safe to leave car at any beaches or hiking kind of did it for us.

CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
48. That sucks
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:41 PM
Mar 2020

I guess I'm fortunate. I have never been robbed nor had my 20 year old car stolen or vandalized.

The guy across the street tells everyone of his guns.

He gets robbed often and has the gasoline siphoned out of his trucks often.

However, advertising that you have guns alienates the wrong people.

I keep a low profile and and am left alone luckily. However, I do not have a lot. That is kind of obvious perhaps for you see nothing in my empty backyard to steal. For the most part it is just the cats and two of us old people that are not well. We have no fancy new cars to show off, etc.

I lived in The City for many years and I was never robbed or harmed there either. I had no car when I lived there for many years living in an assortment of dumpy apartments. I grew weary of it and simply drove away one day and never went back.

Welcome to the world of 2020 eh?

marlakay

(11,479 posts)
50. We never were robbed either very careful
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:46 PM
Mar 2020

But I was scared to walk dog alone because of all the crime I read about. I moved across to Medford and in very safe neighborhood here. Lots of hiking nearby but miss ocean. We drive over a lot.

Yeehah

(4,588 posts)
13. Humans simply aren't that smart
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:28 PM
Mar 2020

We are destroying our only habitat and have allowed an imbecile to become our chief executive. Humans as a species are not very intelligent.

Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
16. There were no people at Huntington State Beach yesterday afternoon . . .
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:31 PM
Mar 2020

Don't know about the City Beach, where the surfers congregate, but the State Beach was empty in the late afternoon.

On edit: Just looked at the article: The picture of the City Beach was taken on Saturday, when the weather was sunny and almost warm. Sunday was overcast and rain fell around 4 pm.

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
23. Sigh. The beaches of my youth.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 04:37 PM
Mar 2020

City, state, didn't matter. Whichever had the less full parking lot was the one I went to.

I was partial to the city beach, lifeguard station number 3, because it was close to Jack In The Box.

Wish I had a time machine.
And my old transistor radio.

Evolve Dammit

(16,747 posts)
33. There was so much more space then, and freedom to wander without police interference.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 06:00 PM
Mar 2020

I was rarely hassled for exploring, either by property owners, government officials or law enforcement. There was a commonality in understanding, that has been replaced with aggressive authority, immediate capitulation and no discussion. We have become a militarized society. It started after 9-11, so I blame W/ Cheney but you could certainly argue it started under RayGun. We were very free prior to that. Probably inconceivable by most adults under 30-40. I wish they could have what we had. Sux.

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
38. I haven't been there since the very early 80s.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 07:21 PM
Mar 2020

That's when I moved out of the area. I didn't live near the beach, but I could be there in a half an hour to 45 minutes. From grade school on, that's where we were in the summer.

It was absolute heaven. But I would go out of my mind with boredom just laying there getting a tan. I'm a very strong swimmer. Or I was, when I was younger. Haha.

So whichever way the current was pulling, I would walk in the other direction about 5 or 6 lifeguard stations, and then swim out past the waves, and swim back down to lifeguard station number 3, get out of the water, walk back up and do it all over again. Rinse and repeat.

And thank goodness for the lifeguard stations. I am blind as a bat without my glasses. But those orange lifeguard stations stuck out like a sore thumb. I knew my spot was three lifeguard stations from the pier, so I could always find my way 'home,' no matter what!

Yep, we need a time machine. We were so blessed!

Evolve Dammit

(16,747 posts)
39. Great memories. Now there are hardly any lifeguards at our beaches due to huge budget cuts.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 07:34 PM
Mar 2020

I'm glad we lived in that time and know what it felt like to have fun with minimal restraint and accountability!

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
42. Amen to that!
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 07:40 PM
Mar 2020

After reading your original post, I absolutely went back in time in my memories. I've been sitting here, smiling away, thinking of all of the wonderful times I had at the beach with my family and friends.

And swimming at night by moonlight, naked and all!
Cannot imagine what would happen today if you tried to do that.

BuddhaGirl

(3,608 posts)
41. HB is my hometown :-)
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 07:37 PM
Mar 2020

Ate at that Jack In The Box many times, also Wimpie's.

Great beach, pier, and Main St. Of course it looks MUCH different now than the 70's, when we moved there.

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
43. I swear I can still smell the hamburgers.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 07:45 PM
Mar 2020

There was a different smell at the beach. The food just smelled different than it did anywhere else.

One of these years I will have to drive up there. I'm in San Diego County now. I'm sure I would have culture shock over the changes. I can remember going back to my hometown some years ago. My best friend, who now lives in Colorado, we took her youngest daughter back to our hometown so we could show her all of the local sites. Half of them were gone! I don't think I ever want to go back there. Half of my childhood is missing!

At least we can live in these places in our memories.
Lucky us! The kids today have no idea of how well we had it. And it wasn't fancy. It was pure.

at140

(6,110 posts)
53. Nope, they could infect grand parents but their stupid genes will continue
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:54 PM
Mar 2020

I guess they have been told covid-19 has not killed many under 30 years age.

EarthFirst

(2,901 posts)
20. Case Study: Florida Spring Break; 5 test positive for COVID19...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 03:45 PM
Mar 2020

Fine every one of them.

Donate every cent to hospitals clamoring for PPE...

iluvtennis

(19,864 posts)
26. This is so dumb. Gov Newson has the power to deploy the California National Guard - maybe
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 05:23 PM
Mar 2020

he'll do so at the beaches.

Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
27. I think the cause of this is that people do not believe the media is really telling the truth.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 05:33 PM
Mar 2020

...People take weather warnings in the same way. Some believe, and some think, "This is not going to happen to me, so they don't believe." Actually I think that people take weather warnings more seriously than these kind of warnings about the "virus"
...Virus warnings are "new" so why should those ..non believers...believe. Going to a beach and being in a crowd, is indeed stupid, but there is another reason too. Trump lies and lies...So why believe the media?
"The media is often wrong", people think, "so how could the media be correct on this?"

...That is it, and that is why...(It doesn't matter that political figures, and doctors, and others issue warnings....it is still part of the media's lies, and "it can't happen to me" thinking.

So, when it finally happens to enough people, then the warnings are believed. Here is an example where the warnings became law, and the laws were eventually believed because enough people saw the consequences of not doing the action....are you ready?....SEAT BELTS

I think seat belts were first put in cars sometime in the 60s. They were an extra that you paid extra for. Some people had them, & some people didn't. Eventually, everyone knew of someone who had an accident who was saved from harm by "seatbelts"...In the late 80s, laws were passed to make them mandatory on new cars, and eventually laws were passed that you had to put them on. But the key was as word got around that people's lives were saved, and serious injuries were prevented by people wearing them, (and shoulder harnesses too), then everyone started to believe that you put them on, because ..."they work"..Those of us who are older know about how long it took to believe that simple idea....

........Now, because the facts are so clear, and seatbelts and harnesses work so well, it is no longer thought about, people just put them on always, and that is that. (but only those who have been around a long time, know it took a long time for everyone to do that simple action..put your seatbelt on

former9thward

(32,030 posts)
36. That is not my memory.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 07:11 PM
Mar 2020

Seat belts began to be used when car makers put in the annoying buzz when you didn't have them on. That in combination with seat belt fines if you were caught without it on.

stopdiggin

(11,320 posts)
54. but there was enormous resistance
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:24 PM
Mar 2020

at almost every step that the poster set forth. (car manufacturers, legislation, common usage, and finally legislation mandating usage) Only too accurate in pointing out that the learning curve was criminally slow .. for a common sense measure that was so demonstrably effective in saving lives! Not like the benefit was flowing toward another group, or into another pocket! You're being asked to save your own sorry as**ed life! Recalcitrant and pigheaded to the very end. Absolutely maddening!

Northern_Light

(18 posts)
29. Happen to me too
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 05:46 PM
Mar 2020

I'm in a part of CA that has been under quarantine for the last week.

On Tue I'm walking at a local park and on a fire road when 4 people came from the other direction side by side and made no attempt to give me any room. Would have been rude before a quarantine, but worse now.

Not kids either, 4 middle aged adults.

Try to be safe out there, even if others make it unsafe.

DFW

(54,414 posts)
32. Aren't these the same people Jay Leno and Jimmy Kimmel interview?
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 05:56 PM
Mar 2020

The ones who can't find one country on a map of the world (including ours), and think July 4th celebrates the Civil War, etc?

Warpy

(111,292 posts)
35. People packed into an indoor venue of any type are stupid
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 06:44 PM
Mar 2020

Coronavirus is likely very much like other viruses and susceptible to UV radiation, meaning strong sunlight. With some, it's instantaneous. With others, it takes a few minutes, with others, it can be hours. I've read about some municipalities decontaminating mass transit with UV lights, but most of the online studies cover SARS, only.

In any case, I'd expect uncrowded outdoor areas to be fairly safe, people walking 30 or so feet apart on trails or in parks or sitting on towels at beaches. Unfortunately, humans are gregarious and social, and that will raise the risk considerably. Still, I hate seeing outdoor recreation closed. People are going to crack from cabin fever a lot more quickly if they are.

Outdoors is better than indoor, and people are going to need a safety valve. I hope the mayor thinks this through very carefully.

.

Igel

(35,323 posts)
49. Sunlight's not that intense in the UV spectrum.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:42 PM
Mar 2020

On the other hand, remember that the official designation given to this virus is SARS-CoV-2.

You can spend hours in the sun, but the UV disinfectant lamps would do a number on your skin in 10 minutes.

Warpy

(111,292 posts)
51. Maybe you can spend hours in the sun, my limit's 20 minutes
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 09:49 PM
Mar 2020

because that's when the blisters start to pop up.

I' was thinking more about viruses on surfaced outdoors. Yes, it will be a lot more efficient from now on on the northern hemisphere, the vernal equinox being the demarcation line between adequate and inadequate amounts of Vitamin D producing sunlight in darker skinned people.

The UV in sunlight will kill the virus. Sterilizing UV does it instantly, with lockouts to make sure no one is in the room when it's operating.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
45. I've been out for runs or mt bike rides daily.
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 08:50 PM
Mar 2020

But please for the love of god, stay away from me. Luckily I’ve been running in the early morning on the mostly-deserted trails near my house in WV. I’m more afraid of breaking an ankle and ending up in the ER than seeing others.
But when the sun comes out, everyone flings their doors open and heads for the hills.

stopdiggin

(11,320 posts)
55. which is probably still OK as long as they aren't
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:42 PM
Mar 2020

congregating in packs, glad handing everyone they meet, or gassing on at length in someone else's face.

the sun comes out, everyone flings their doors open and heads for the hills.

I guess everyone has their own comfort zone, but I do the rides and trails thing too and don't really find a great risk in encountering a couple other people when I'm out. We generally just nod (hat tip, tug forelock) and keep on going. Crowds (as is the topic in the OP) .. that's something else ... And I didn't really want to be there even prior to C-19.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
56. I feel so lucky to live in a beautiful place in Ventura County,
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:45 PM
Mar 2020

with hiking trails galore, and very few people. It’s easy to keeps 10 or 20 foot distance, when you do come across someone.

I don’t take it for granted. Things are really difficult right now, my work is closed, my daughter lives on the other side of the country, but I can take some solace in nature.

Vivienne235729

(3,384 posts)
57. Paint me surprised. I didn't think people were that stupid over there.
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 12:56 AM
Mar 2020

I expect it more where I live than in Marin Co. Huh. Did those dumbasses not see what happened to the Florida dumbasses? Do they not have news over there?

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