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mucifer

(23,550 posts)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 04:47 PM Apr 2020

In Chicago, 70% of COVID-19 Deaths Are Black

Source: Chicago Public Radio WBEZ

The COVID-19 virus is killing black residents in Cook County at disproportionately high rates, according to early data analyzed by WBEZ.

While black residents make up only 23% of the population in the county, they account for 58% of the COVID-19 deaths. And half of the deceased lived in Chicago, according to data from the Cook County Medical Examiner’s office.

As of Saturday, 107 of Cook County’s 183 deaths from COVID-19 were black. In Chicago, 61 of the 86 recorded deaths – or 70% – were black residents. Blacks make up 29% of Chicago’s population.

The majority of the black COVID-19 patients who died had underlying health conditions including respiratory problems and diabetes. Eighty-one percent of them had hypertension, or high blood pressure, diabetes or both.

Read more: https://www.wbez.org/shows/wbez-news/in-chicago-70-of-covid19-deaths-are-black/dd3f295f-445e-4e38-b37f-a1503782b507



This is horrible, but not surprising. I hope our state and local government will do something to work with the community.
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In Chicago, 70% of COVID-19 Deaths Are Black (Original Post) mucifer Apr 2020 OP
What the hell is going on??? EllieBC Apr 2020 #1
They may be forced to work jobs that are high risk McCamy Taylor Apr 2020 #2
That and people in the near-in city are more likely to be using public transportation. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2020 #19
Hard to know. Igel Apr 2020 #8
I think that's a really good analysis. EllieBC Apr 2020 #12
Numerous reasons. BlueWI Apr 2020 #29
Environmental Racism Neoma Apr 2020 #30
Social circles, my guess elias7 Apr 2020 #3
It's 30% Of All Cases Too ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #4
They are about 30% of the population of Chicago mucifer Apr 2020 #6
This Is Cook County In The OP ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #7
Charles M. Blow @CharlesMBlow: When we implore everyone to wash their hands, BeckyDem Apr 2020 #5
What's the area to the right of So Cal? Polybius Apr 2020 #11
I think it's San Bernardino Lulu KC Apr 2020 #14
I'm sorry, I don't know. BeckyDem Apr 2020 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author ripcord Apr 2020 #20
Are you looking at the four corners area? Codifer Apr 2020 #22
Navajo (Dine) Nation is that area. Coventina Apr 2020 #27
I wish he would give the source of this map Lulu KC Apr 2020 #15
He is on twitter often, ask him. He'll probably respond. BeckyDem Apr 2020 #16
From Charles Blow's opinion piece in NY Times, April1 Maeve Apr 2020 #9
It's not just Chicago, either. ananda Apr 2020 #10
In La., obesity is a major factor among thse infected. oldsoftie Apr 2020 #18
Do we have numbers for the racial breakdown in New York City? Population density and bullwinkle428 Apr 2020 #13
Any New Yorker could tell you the breakdown from the zip code maps greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #23
Horrible. SunSeeker Apr 2020 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Apr 2020 #24
SE Michigan has also had a high percentage of AA victims MichMan Apr 2020 #25
My guess is when this hits Appalachia we'll see Phoenix61 Apr 2020 #26
There's probably more of these folks than we like to DeminPennswoods Apr 2020 #28
There were really malicious lies MosheFeingold Apr 2020 #31

EllieBC

(3,016 posts)
1. What the hell is going on???
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 05:01 PM
Apr 2020

Are they not getting adequate care because they are AA???

And what about controlled diabetes or hypertension? Or is it all the same?

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
2. They may be forced to work jobs that are high risk
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 05:06 PM
Apr 2020

and they cannot take off work due to no sick leave and when they finally get so sick that they can no longer go to work to feed their kids, they arrive at overcrowded hospitals without insurance are given a check over and when they are not found to need a ventilator (yet) told to go home and come back if they get sicker.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
8. Hard to know.
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 05:54 PM
Apr 2020

Haven't heard if controlled hypertension and diabetes or heart disease being treated as the same effect as untreated.

Perhaps they get lower quality care, but that's a claim that needs proof.

Perhaps they show up later, and early treatment reduces the risk of death.

Perhaps there are geographic issues involved--less social distancing. One conservative pointed out that the (D) and (R) views of this disease really differ, to a great extent by geography. Take my view--"social distancing" is a snap, since I'm in a house, have a car to get to stores when I need to, have a yard to be outside in and if I walk down the street there may only be 1 or 2 other people visible in a stretch of 3 blocks. And most of those will be in yards, washing cars, etc. The stores I go to are large because land prices are low. I can afford to buy what I need week by week (and that's only because I've taken to salads, and after 8 days or so the greens aren't so green anymore--otherwise I could go once a month.) Now move into a city, where you might live in an apt., have to deal with fairly narrow hallways, stairwells/elevators, more crowded sidewalks, mostly smaller stores, and public transportation. I've gone days where I don't get within 6 feet of others except my nuclear family without calling it "social distancing."

Oh--and I can work from home. So can my wife. I've left jobs out, but if I worked in a blue-collar job it's less likely I'd be able to work from home.

There might also be more social issues involved. I'm fairly rule bound. I'm told to keep my distance, I keep my distance. At Walmart today (oddly, they have a suitable green grocery section--no nopales or daikon, but Napa cabbage and jicama) some of us were keeping our distance. Others were oblivious to the entire thing. Some seemed to think that wherever they were was their personal fiefdom, with no expectation of situational awareness and getting out the way of others. I've noticed in class that "middle class" (I'm using the term loosely here) kids or those whose parents are trying to be socially mobile and got their kids to buy into the idea often observe social niceties, boundaries, that sort of thing. They're aware of others' expectations and either address them explicitly to renegotiate them or they abide by them if they seem reasonable, even if they're a bit inconvenient. It's the outliers, the kids of parents who feel entitled or benefit from entitlements who tend to be, "Fuck you, why should I care what *you* think?" Then again, maybe I'm just using a schema from 1960s/70s social linguistics to explain speech patterns. If I'm even partly right, it means that some classes of people will be more likely to observe social distancing than others. And while this is a *class* thing, there's a non-trivial correlation between class and race/ethnicity in the US.

There's also a correlation between class and family size. If the typical white family is smaller than the typical black family, and the virus is spreading within families, you might also get part of the variance accounted for.

Those are just thoughts off the top of my head. People might object, saying I'm blaming the victim. But unless there's something genetic that makes AA more liable to dying from this or there just happened to be a more virulent strain in Chicago/Cook County, it's got to go to something behavioral or environmental. Doesn't mean people don't get ticked off; it just means they're a bit off base. I watched one defense of wet markets in Wuhan, basically saying you can't blame the culture or a cultural practice. When, in fact, if not for the wet markets and their analogs in Africa, we'd be unlikely to have SARS, HIV, or Ebola. Camel racing (and eating) accounts for MERS. If BSE had been a thing, cattle raising would have been responsible for that. And swine are notorious for spreading disease, with one pundit describing the Spanish explorers in the American South as being enveloped in a "porcine haze," and noting that 50 years after the porkers (the suidae, not the Spaniards) arrived many of the Native American settlements or explorers had noted were abandoned or had experienced sharp declines. But they ate pork.

The numbers are big enough that it's not likely to be a statistical fluke, but it's also possible. There was a notorious chromate toxicity situation years that occurred in conjunction with a big uptick in certain diseases. The correlation was taken as evidence of causation, since it was so unlikely. A later metanalysis said that while it was unlikely in any given area, over the long run and over the entire country it would have been improbable that such a local concentration of diseases like that *wouldn't* have happened. I think there were similar results in Detroit/MI, so it's likely to be a real effect (but you still have to rule out chance).

EllieBC

(3,016 posts)
12. I think that's a really good analysis.
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 06:06 PM
Apr 2020

I live in a 2 bedroom condo with 3 kids (and the husband). We are fortunate enough to have a car but we have many fronds who rely on transit. Having a car means we can pick and choose when to go to stores.

It’s a lot easier to distance in the suburbs or rural areas. Class will play a role in that.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
29. Numerous reasons.
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 12:38 PM
Apr 2020

Higher percentage of black citizens without health care access.

Higher income people have more resources for sheltering at home, and the average wealth and income is much higher if you're white.

The digital divide makes a difference - having internet access to stay current on recommendations.

Population density in neighborhoods.

Percentage of home ownership - owning a home means fewer people entering and exiting the building you live in.

Proximity to grocery stores and pharmacies.

These unequal conditions exist continually and elevate mortality in times like these.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
4. It's 30% Of All Cases Too
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 05:35 PM
Apr 2020

So these folks are getting it a bit higher than their fraction of the population.
I saw this today on governor's daily briefing.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
7. This Is Cook County In The OP
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 05:44 PM
Apr 2020

The percentage is 23% county wide. I just saw Pritzker & the governor discussing it 75 minutes ago.
The OP said Ccok County.
So, I'm using county numbers.

Lulu KC

(2,567 posts)
14. I think it's San Bernardino
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 06:26 PM
Apr 2020

that's getting hit. From past lifetime, not remembering is as anything but lily white, but times may have changed that. "Inland Empire." Trump country. NOW I will click on the map and may actually learn something instead of spouting off my knee jerk response.

Response to Polybius (Reply #11)

Codifer

(546 posts)
22. Are you looking at the four corners area?
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:48 PM
Apr 2020

I would not be surprised if there were reservation lands involved.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
27. Navajo (Dine) Nation is that area.
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 01:53 AM
Apr 2020

Traditionally semi-nomadic sheep herders and farmers.
They have winter homes and summer pasture lands.

And yes, very few have running water.

Lulu KC

(2,567 posts)
15. I wish he would give the source of this map
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 06:30 PM
Apr 2020

I am just not sure what I'm looking at here. I mean, I know it's supposed to be a map of no running water, but are the C-19 stats overlaid?

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
9. From Charles Blow's opinion piece in NY Times, April1
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 05:54 PM
Apr 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/opinion/coronavirus-black-people.html

But what is most worrisome is the racial disparity in prior health conditions that exist in the United States. As Bloomberg reported about a study of the deaths in Italy: “Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses, and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions. More than 75 percent had high blood pressure, about 35 percent had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.”

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, high blood pressure is most common in non-Hispanic black adults (54 percent), and black people have the highest death rate from heart disease.

As for diabetes, the 2015 National Medical Association Scientific Assembly, held in Detroit, where my friend died, delivered these stark statistics:

“African-American patients are more likely than white patients to have diabetes. The risk of diabetes is 77 percent higher among African-Americans than among non-Hispanic white Americans. The rates of diagnosis of diabetes in non-Hispanic African-Americans is 18.7 percent compared to 7.1 percent.”

The group went on to say that in 2006, “African-Americans with diabetes were 1.5 times more likely to be hospitalized and 2.3 times more likely to die from diabetes than non-Hispanic whites.”

In addition, many Southern states refused to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, and there is a rural hospital crisis in this country. But that crisis is compounded in the South, where, as the magazine Facing South points out, the rural areas “have higher poverty rates, higher mortality rates, and lower life expectancies than other rural regions of the country.”

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
13. Do we have numbers for the racial breakdown in New York City? Population density and
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 06:16 PM
Apr 2020

public transport usage have to be relatively comparable.

Response to mucifer (Original post)

MichMan

(11,938 posts)
25. SE Michigan has also had a high percentage of AA victims
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 08:54 PM
Apr 2020

AA population in Michigan is 14 % and AA are approx. 40 % of deaths from the virus.

Is it generally poorer health to begin with, genetic predispositions, social distancing behaviors, or proximity of living close to others in urban areas ? Is the AA community less likely to believe anything that the government tells them?

There were reports in the media that when the disease first hit that people were spreading rumors in the AA community that black people couldn't catch it.

[link:https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2020/03/07/social-media-petri-dish-false-and-dangerous-coronavirus-info/4977065002/|

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
26. My guess is when this hits Appalachia we'll see
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 09:11 PM
Apr 2020

the same level of bad outcomes. Poor people go to a clinic when they are sick. More affluent people go to their PP every year and get labs, scans etc. They are told what to do to prevent a bad test result from turning into a chronic health condition. They have access to healthy life styles choices ie food, exercise etc.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
28. There's probably more of these folks than we like to
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 08:55 AM
Apr 2020

acknowledge who are working the low-paid jobs in hospitals, nursing homes, assisted living residences, home health aides and on cleaning crews. They might be getting exposed more often and have less protection. Then if they are returning home to apartments or more dense living quarters, they're probably exposed to the virus even further and likely to contribute to community spread. And, if you are making less money, maybe your diet isn't as healthy because you live in a neighborhood that doesn't have easy access to a grocery store with a wide selection of fresh fruit, vegetables and baked goods.

I think the one consistent thing is that a high population density is a big factor in spread of the virus.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
31. There were really malicious lies
Mon Apr 6, 2020, 03:13 PM
Apr 2020

That the CV19 harmed people in this order: Jews, non-Jewish whites, Asians, Hispanics, blacks.

Lies largely based on Lakewood NJ (a Satmar enclave), Italy, Spain -- and the low rates of infection (currently) in Africa.

And a lot of black Americans believed those malicious lies and did not protect themselves.

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