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appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 06:14 PM Apr 2020

Coronavirus: German Zoo May Have To Feed Animals To Each Other

Source: BBC News

Zoos that should have been crowded in the sunny Easter holidays are now hard-up and asking for donations, as the coronavirus lockdown bites. A zoo director in northern Germany has even admitted that some animals might soon have to be fed to others, if the zoo is to survive. "We've listed the animals we'll have to slaughter first," Neumünster Zoo's Verena Kaspari told Die Welt.

Berlin Zoo has infant panda twins, but their fans can only watch them online. The zoo's spokeswoman Philine Hachmeister told DPA news agency "the panda twins are adorably sweet". "Constantly we're thinking 'the visitors should be watching them live'. We don't want the little pandas to be grown up by the time we finally reopen."

Big appetites: Ms Kaspari at Neumünster Zoo said killing some animals so that others could live would be a last resort, and "unpleasant", but even that would not solve the financial problem. The seals and penguins needed big quantities of fresh fish daily, she pointed out.

"If it comes to it, I'll have to euthanise animals, rather than let them starve," she said. Zoos that should have been crowded in the sunny Easter holidays are now hard-up and asking for donations, as the coronavirus lockdown bites...



Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52283658





- The panda cubs in Berlin Zoo would draw large crowds in normal times.




- The seals in Berlin Zoo have no visitors to admire them.
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Coronavirus: German Zoo May Have To Feed Animals To Each Other (Original Post) appalachiablue Apr 2020 OP
Pretty Pathetic sfstaxprep Apr 2020 #1
yes it would. they have no skills. mopinko Apr 2020 #5
Most of the animals in zoos are non-native species. LisaL Apr 2020 #10
My first thought was why not release them....at least they would have a fight chance sdfernando Apr 2020 #11
Bingo.. cannabis_flower Apr 2020 #24
We get to watch the last of a species killed by poachers live then? NickB79 Apr 2020 #31
OMG, this is so sad. I hope there is another way to solve the problem. nt iluvtennis Apr 2020 #2
This fucking virus has destroyed everything. Initech Apr 2020 #3
its trying to compete with tRump. nt yaesu Apr 2020 #16
Trump is its' enabler. Initech Apr 2020 #22
No way they should let this happen bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #4
It might be time to start thinking hard if we need zoos at all. AtheistCrusader Apr 2020 #6
This, well-stated. JudyM Apr 2020 #9
My thoughts exactly, I never have agreed with the need for zoos, there are much better ways yaesu Apr 2020 #17
You evidently don't know that many zoos are trying to keep species from going extinct. SharonClark Apr 2020 #25
Breeding programs for the purposes of saving endangered species need have nothing AtheistCrusader Apr 2020 #30
In a perfect world, we'd adequately fund zoos doing conservation programs NickB79 Apr 2020 #32
I strongly support that form of funding. AtheistCrusader Apr 2020 #34
Same, the world is full of rich donors & Germany is well off appalachiablue Apr 2020 #7
This article just pisses me off. They've been open how many decades and a three month ... marble falls Apr 2020 #8
It's really messed up, I can't believe their 'situation' and appalachiablue Apr 2020 #12
Shame on the Lampoon appalachiablue Apr 2020 #15
That is exactly what I was thinking. alphafemale Apr 2020 #28
My God CountAllVotes Apr 2020 #13
Agree, they should be required to have emerg. funds for appalachiablue Apr 2020 #14
There's something rather awkward about Germany and "deciding who dies" alp227 Apr 2020 #18
That stood out to me big when I first read the article appalachiablue Apr 2020 #19
Germany's a rich, modern country. This is fucking ridiculous. BusyBeingBest Apr 2020 #20
I'm willing to bet they are hoping those harsh words they are saying will get people to donate Sapient Donkey Apr 2020 #27
Holkum BS ... even Germany can do budgets & data sets ... they can pay their NotHardly Apr 2020 #21
Maybe the jackals could make a life in Washington, D.C. Harker Apr 2020 #23
This breaks my heart MustLoveBeagles Apr 2020 #26
When the lions lay down with the lambs, only the lions will get back up. Marcuse Apr 2020 #29
The species euthanized first would be common, non-endangered ones NickB79 Apr 2020 #33

sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
1. Pretty Pathetic
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 06:18 PM
Apr 2020

"If it comes to it, I'll have to euthanise animals, rather than let them starve," she said. Zoos that should have been crowded in the sunny Easter holidays are now hard-up and asking for donations, as the coronavirus lockdown bites...

Because just releasing them to live their lives in the wild would be worse than taking their lives? Logic!

mopinko

(70,106 posts)
5. yes it would. they have no skills.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 06:30 PM
Apr 2020

they would either starve or be eaten, and perhaps even carry a few diseases w them.
this is never an answer, whether it is a mouse or an elephant.

sdfernando

(4,935 posts)
11. My first thought was why not release them....at least they would have a fight chance
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 06:47 PM
Apr 2020

Only blocker I could see is getting them where they need to be released. Seals to the ocean, not that far from Berlin, but some of the bigger game animals would be a challenge. Lions, Elephants, Giraffes, etc.

This is really heartbreaking...maybe we shouldn't have zoo's at all???

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
24. Bingo..
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:53 PM
Apr 2020

what we should have is virtual zoos. Cameras placed in locations that are likely to catch scenes of wildlife and then maybe broadcast to giant screens in a "zoo" where people could come and watch. It could also be available for streaming at home for those that would rather not go out into the 100 degree heat in August to walk around outside in the humidity in Houston, or in the cold in February in Chicago.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
31. We get to watch the last of a species killed by poachers live then?
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 05:10 PM
Apr 2020

The biggest threats facing species today are habitat loss and poaching. Zoos act as a refuge and reintroduction reservoir from this.

A virtual zoo gives zero fallback options if the wild population is lost. That's it, extinction.

bucolic_frolic

(43,166 posts)
4. No way they should let this happen
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 06:29 PM
Apr 2020

Unbelievable in a way. I thought they couldn't get food, rather than be unable to pay for it. Where are philanthropists?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
6. It might be time to start thinking hard if we need zoos at all.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 06:33 PM
Apr 2020

Elephants roam up to 30 miles per day, for instance. Keeping them in zoos, given their social nature and intelligence level, is, not to use too human a term; inhumane.

Its wonderful to be able to see these animals up close, but captivity is, in most cases, a horrible thing. Just like SeaWorld. That place is fucking awful for animals.

If the only solution is euthanize, not rehabilitate back into the wild... we're doing it all wrong. Living, intelligent beings should not be subject to the whims of human entertainment.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
17. My thoughts exactly, I never have agreed with the need for zoos, there are much better ways
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 07:07 PM
Apr 2020

to educate kids & the public in general about the worlds wildlife that we must protect.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
25. You evidently don't know that many zoos are trying to keep species from going extinct.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 12:41 AM
Apr 2020

I suggest you watch programs like The Zoo on the Animal Planet. In today's world, if there were no zoos, there would be more extinct species due to poaching, climate change, habitate destruction, and dwindling resources. Sadly, humans are the cause of these problems and only humans can save the endangered species.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
30. Breeding programs for the purposes of saving endangered species need have nothing
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 11:49 AM
Apr 2020

to do with keeping the animals on display in small enclosures so they have nowhere to hide from the public, etc.

*Some* zoos are ALSO maintaining endangered species breeding programs, that does not invalidate the question of whether actual public zoos are humane ways to view animals, and whether they are worth maintaining.

We hear the same shit from Seaworld, about how they are 'studying' the Orcas. Not much different from the Japanese whaling vessels 'studying' whales. It's bullshit.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
32. In a perfect world, we'd adequately fund zoos doing conservation programs
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 05:13 PM
Apr 2020

But in the real world, zoos need paying visitors to keep operating. Tax dollars barely keep the lights on.

Until we authorize funding, zoos can't maintain conservation programs on the paltry budgets they'd have.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
34. I strongly support that form of funding.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 05:55 PM
Apr 2020

There's money available. For instance, there's an 11% federal excise tax on ammunition for the purposes of habitat and wildlife conservation. We've come to depend on that money for forestry and other related programs, but the rate could be adjusted, and the money CAN be allocated to these programs. Americans buy a LOT of ammo. Like, a stupid huge lot.

Just one means. There are of course, others.

marble falls

(57,093 posts)
8. This article just pisses me off. They've been open how many decades and a three month ...
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 06:40 PM
Apr 2020

shut down is breaking them?

It reminds me of the Nat Lampoon cover in '72 -



It caused such outrage, they banned Nat Lampoon from the geedunk.

appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
12. It's really messed up, I can't believe their 'situation' and
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 06:51 PM
Apr 2020

hope this is publicity for funds. What could it take, 5-10K?

The animals were put there for humans and we need to step up.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
28. That is exactly what I was thinking.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 06:27 AM
Apr 2020

Are they going to threaten to toss the baby pandas into the sea lion tank?

CountAllVotes

(20,871 posts)
13. My God
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 06:52 PM
Apr 2020

Why do the Germans have them to begin with if they will not care for them?

It is quite correct that there are some very wealthy Germans out there todayl. What about other parts of the EU? Do they not have a responsibility as well?

Austria and Switzerland are close, can they not relocate them?

If they won't allow you to dig a hole in your yard to bury a dead animal, what are they going to do with what is left if they slaughter them? Burn them dare I suggest?

When will this damn hell ever stop?!!!



appalachiablue

(41,132 posts)
14. Agree, they should be required to have emerg. funds for
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 07:02 PM
Apr 2020

drastic situations, it's reckless and appalling not to have backup in place for these animals.

During the Franco-Prussian War & World War it was human need- the French & others had to eat zoo animals or starve.

- During the 1870 siege, Parisians ate rats, cats, zoo animals.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/paris-siege-eating-zoo-animals

Paris restaurant menu from the 1870 siege.

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
20. Germany's a rich, modern country. This is fucking ridiculous.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 07:43 PM
Apr 2020

They can throw some tax money to keep zoo animals cared for, I'm sure.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
27. I'm willing to bet they are hoping those harsh words they are saying will get people to donate
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 01:48 AM
Apr 2020

That being said, zoos are shit.

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
21. Holkum BS ... even Germany can do budgets & data sets ... they can pay their
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 08:00 PM
Apr 2020
way out of this or pretend to be monsters...great choice, let's have them do it in front of children.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
33. The species euthanized first would be common, non-endangered ones
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 05:21 PM
Apr 2020

I think it's a little strange how many here are upset over this.

Kill a million cattle for hamburgers, fine. Kill an antelope for lion food, awful.

Kill a million hogs for pork chops, fine. Kill a wild boar for tiger food, awful.

Kill a million turkeys for Thanksgiving, fine. Kill an emu for jaguar food, awful.

It really is interesting to see how people assign wildly varying values to different species, even when neither is rare.

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