Trump Livid After California Allows Statewide Mail-In Voting: 'These Votes Must Not Count'
Source: TPM
May 9, 2020 1:57 p.m.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) issued an executive order on Friday allowing all voters in the state to vote by mail in the upcoming November elections to protect them from exposure to COVID-19 at polling sites.
Now a furious President Donald Trump is demanding that the votes be thrown out.
So in California, the Democrats, who fought like crazy to get all mail in only ballots, and succeeded, have just opened a voting booth in the most Democrat area in the State, he tweeted on Saturday. They are trying to steal another election.
Its all rigged out there, Trump also wrote. These votes must not count. SCAM!
On the previous day, Newsom ordered all California county elections officials to send registered voters mail-in ballots for the elections on November 3 amid the COVID-19 pandemic. The Golden State is the first in the country to do so.
Elections and the right to vote are foundational to our democracy, the governor stated in a press release. No Californian should be forced to risk their health in order to exercise their right to vote....................
Read more: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-livid-after-california-allows-statewide-mail-in-voting-these-votes-must-not-count
some day trumpy is going to blow a gasket in his swamp head. do I care????
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)over their own election procedures. Not a damn thing he can do about it. What he's doing is setting the stage for a claim that the election was fixed - but we knew he'd do that anyhow if he lost, no matter what procedures the states used.
EndlessWire
(6,562 posts)Bengus81
(6,932 posts)Making mail in ballots that much harder by requiring them to be notarized with TWO witnesses watching you sign the ballot. Unless every Notary in Oklahoma will do that for free then that's a poll tax. It also means in this time of CV you might have to talk someone else into going with you to sign.
Watch for more and more of that and Dems and the ACLU better get the HELL on top of it.
Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)IF someone is going to go the effort of using mail in ballots to cheat the system what is three fake sigs vs one?
Bengus81
(6,932 posts)Trump is really getting the ball rolling on the 2020 "rigged" election. He knows he's toast..........
Zorro
(15,749 posts)rmm311
(13 posts)More to come I'm sure.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Here in WA, we've been voting by mail for years.
YOU don't get to decide whose votes count and whose don't.
Now STFD and STFU.
cstanleytech
(26,317 posts)It's almost like they are afraid of something.
Warpy
(111,329 posts)because they've been sold the horseshit about winning at any cost and that the end justifies the means.
The only way they can win is to keep everybody but themselves out of the polls. This recalls the early system in Communist Russia, only party members able to determine the shape of the government.
All the quakes in California over the last 30 years or so are from Nixon flipping around in his grave.
TeamPooka
(24,248 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,258 posts)I didn't quite understand, not that I want to spend 2 hours to understand it. Barr installed a new prosecutor who oversees D.C.?
Any chance this guy also has jurisdiction of the counting of election returns, or the Electoral College, since Congress meets in D.C., that is, the Capitol? You see what I'm asking about? A choke point for validation of the 2000 presidential elections. Asking because Trump is whining about unfair to him again. We must think ahead.
turbinetree
(24,712 posts)we the people have the right to oversee the ballots being counted...........
bucolic_frolic
(43,258 posts)Some whining, some manufactured drama about miscounts, a challenge in the courts to prevent Congress from validating returns, then an appeal to the Supreme Court. It's Bush v. Gore all over again.
yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)The biggest problem is folks signing the envelope and then sealing it. We are supposed to seal the envelope and then sign it.
The incorrectly signed ballots are returned to voter with envelopes etc to mail it back in (or drop it off at the elections office) This happened to me once; fortunately I had plenty of time to fix it.
I do not know if every vote by mail signature is verified against the registration signatures. I'll have to ask one of my friends who works on the ballot board.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,829 posts)The states' electors meet in their respective state capitols in December to cast their votes, and the results are counted by Congress in a joint meeting in January of the Senate and House. The DoJ has nothing to do with it.
bucolic_frolic
(43,258 posts)And McConnell had no right to ignore the Garland nomination. These people have a way of stretching legal frameworks to fit their needs. So suppose someone did come forward and seek an injunction because they said the states were unfair. It's a hypothetical, I know. Is it possible. Seek to invalidate election results from the largest state, California, by saying the mail-ins were illegal or crooked or miscounted or intercepted, and thereby denying an electoral majority to Joe Biden and it all winds up at the Supreme Court.
KPN
(15,649 posts)hes once again laying the groundwork for challenging the result just as he did in 2016 but didnt need to ultimately. This time he will, and will. We need to be prepared for this.
When I say we, I mean us, the voters. If your questions are indeed prescient, there is no way he or the GOP will accept defeat in the presidential election. They have too much to lose; much more than just power.
This is actually a frightening situation given our relative acceptance of everything tRump thus far. By acceptance I mean our overall and general societal willingness to let our system work, to trust the process will eventually take care of the problem.
bucolic_frolic
(43,258 posts)Republicans were about to win what 4 seats statewide? Trump stands no chance in California. Zero.
DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)He is foreshadowing, and laying the ground work for Barr to be able to throw out the election results when the Dems win on the basis of all the Democrat corruption. At worse it will end up in the Supreme Court like 2000 and we know how that will go......(Additional insurance in case Putin's interference doesn't work in the vote counting. Oh, and add the Saudi's, Netanyahoohoo, Kim, and maybe even the Chinese into the mix of tampering with the voting)
WASF
KPN
(15,649 posts)is already at work to replicate the 2000 fiasco/heist.
brewens
(13,617 posts)opens up a huge can of worms. If he says that about California, he has to go after the other mail-in states too doesn't he? WA, OR, UT, CO, and HI. I'm all over eastern WA frequently and know lots of Trump followers there. I seriously even think they would give up their vote by mail. As much as they hate Inslee and some of their other democratic party representatives, I have never heard them blame it on vote by mail.
I guess it's about discouraging other states to vote by mail.
chowder66
(9,074 posts)the ballots to everyone...who is REGISTERED. Republicans, Democrats, Independents and others. That doesn't mean everyone will vote but it makes it safer to do so.
Trump is a walking pustule.
AllaN01Bear
(18,353 posts)docgee
(870 posts)When did Democrats steal an election? Who stole an election? That would be the orange shitstain himself.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)oops..... nope Hayes was a Republican and Tilden the Democrat.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Its only ever happened to Democrats.
If it ever happened to a Republican, the EC would be gone before Inauguration Day.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)presumably he's aware that CA wasn't going to vote for him anyway?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)April 8, 2020, 7:20 AM MDT
By Steve Benen
"Mail ballots are corrupt, in my opinion," Trump said. But reporters pointed out that Trump has voted by mail, by absentee ballot, in his adopted state of Florida.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/after-voting-mail-trump-denounces-voting-mail-n1179036
AllaN01Bear
(18,353 posts)dalton99a
(81,568 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)And could be recounted if need be, unlike in many of the cheating republican states.
progree
(10,911 posts)MurrayDelph
(5,300 posts)The only recorded case of voter fraud Oregon had was when a low-level vote counter was caught filling in down-ballot offices that had been submitted blank.
Nay
(12,051 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)can request a voter application. When that application is received, the voter will receive every ballot for every election for the rest of that year.
Our State Democratic party has been sending these applications out to every eligible vote by mail voter who can be identified as either a Democrat or otherwise Democratic leaning so they do not have to remember to request them. This has been going on since 2008 and our voting numbers have increased as a result. The application still needs to be returned to get ballots for the rest of the year; those who prefer to vote in person don't send back the application.
We were unsuccessful in getting our governor to approve sending ballots to all registered voters for our runoff in July. We did well to get that election moved from May to July. I am concerned about upcoming elections if COVID ramps up here, which I fully expect it to do
msongs
(67,433 posts)AllaN01Bear
(18,353 posts)now he wants to change the game in mid stream. not.
Evolve Dammit
(16,759 posts)dweller
(23,651 posts)happy now ?
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Stuart G
(38,439 posts)..Trump has picked the wrong fight with the wrong state on the totally wrong issue. Why? Trump does not run the State of California. How to vote, when to vote, and where to vote are ..state issues
.. The long term outlook must be, that if California can do it, other states can do it. The vote by mail people (it seems to Trump) are more, "liberal" then the vote at the polling place people...Trump is finally getting the hint that he is going to loose.
.. Trump is blaming...VOTE BY MAIL not the real reason why he will lose. He always has to blame someone other than himself. This is a very stupid battle that Trump is starting.
C Moon
(12,221 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)although in California the issue is sort of moot
paleotn
(17,946 posts)State matter. You have no say.
hadEnuf
(2,211 posts)If not, then Trump can fuck off.
riversedge
(70,285 posts)am sure CA is in for a battle. iMHO
hadEnuf
(2,211 posts)They need computerized voting in person to cheat again.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,167 posts)What's he whining about? He knows he was never going to win California.
Grokenstein
(5,727 posts)Is Fat Bastard mad because Newsom opened a voting booth?
Or because Newsom promotes voting by mail as a safe alternative?
One doesn't negate the other, Generalissimo Corpulente.
But it's comforting to know that providing voters with more (and safer) options scares the hell out of you...and all your cultists and moscowbots on Twitter.
On way or another, in January you're gone.
Aviation Pro
(12,181 posts)You werent going to win the state.
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)says something positive about ANYTHING.
EndlessWire
(6,562 posts)is to fill out your mail-in ballot, then hand deliver it to the poll site. You put it in the locked box yourself.
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)Last edited Mon May 11, 2020, 11:25 AM - Edit history (1)
I personally never send my ballot via USPS, I always drop it to ballot collection box. Then after election you can go to CA website and verify that you ballot was received and counted.
yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)As a precinct chair I can track every ballot sent to my voters and confirm when it has been received by the elections office. Actually I can see the list of ballot applications sent by the Elections Office, the date those were returned and the date ballots were sent as well. This info helps me get the voters to return their ballots.
I have never checked the Election Office's public page for that info because I have access to the VAN.
yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)Are the ballot collections boxes emptied every day? How is that managed? In my mind, the Elections Office has folks to pick up the boxes and swap them out with empty ones. OR put the contents into a container for returning to the Elections Office.
Scenario: box is at the public library and is sealed with a numbered seal which has been recorded. Election worker picks up the box, replaces it with an empty box which has a numbered seal and takes the first one back to the elections office, where it is checked in and the seal numbers verified before the box is opened. Is that how it is being handled?
That is how we keep control of the paper ballots used at our voting centers here. Every thing that has to do with the votes arrives sealed, all of the seal numbers are recorded when we break them and the broken seals are saved for return to the elections office. When we close up for the night, we reseal every single thing and record those seal numbers on the same form. The forms come to us with the numbers for our equipment already printed so if a seal does not match the list we call the main office immediately to get replacements.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)I've been a CA resident since 1982 and due to job requirements, absentee balloting, have not been in a voter booth for nearly 40 years.
So my votes don't count, you absolute moron.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,109 posts)Stupid motherfucker.
olddad65
(599 posts)Hamlette
(15,412 posts)like Utah. You can do in person voting too but we all get sent a mail in ballot.
jorgevlorgan
(8,327 posts)As do I.
LudwigPastorius
(9,166 posts)Nothing you can do about it, asshole. Get ready to be forced out of the People's House in shame, and to have to report to a courtroom or three.
kacekwl
(7,021 posts)then all states should follow California. This must throw a monkey 🔧 in Putin and McConnell 's plan.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)The turd just appointed Louis DeJoy as the new postmaster general. He will do for the USPS what Barr Barr has done for the DOJ.
So now he controls the USPS.
How do you think THAT is going to work out for us?
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)Everyone with functioning brain cells should read "It Cant Happen Here" written in 1935 by Sinclair Lewis. If they can't read they ought to see the movie "A Face in the Crowd" with Andy Griffith as a serious actor.
Aristus
(66,446 posts)I so incredibly want Joe Biden to kick Trump's ass out of our White House...
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)He is thoroughly nuts and evil.
And I marched against Nixon and Bush 43.
Aristus
(66,446 posts)He's burning my country down; it's only fair.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)I was trying to be polite, but that doesn't exist in Dumpworld. I'm pretty old now, but I live for the day when he crashes and burns (hopefully on live TV except Fox)
Along with everything else, he hates animals. If animals could talk you know what they'd say.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)And this is promoted so he has excuses to use to hurt California , and the Democrat Governor. He picks fights with manufactured outrage as an excuse to abuse his powers to hurt others who oppose him . He knows California will never go for him in this election on Nov. , so his lashing out proclaiming his disapproval, which is corrupt, and for corrupt intentions. He promotes division , and incites people capable of violence for him, then deny's his behavior promoting it. Fascist trump has to do this to use to divide and weaken us with to undermine this government even more. Just like he wants to blame China for his no response to this virus outbreak, when he knew all along and did nothing to stop it, and actually did things to hurt others trying to prevent its spread in this country. Voting by mail will be stopped someway by trump, just watch him.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Vinca
(50,302 posts)Bengus81
(6,932 posts)MissMillie
(38,574 posts)(dumbass orange twit)
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)ANYTHING THAT MAY HARM TRUMPS POSSIBLE ELECTION WIN MUST BE STOPPED. As in the Bush vs Gore ruling to STOP COUNTING THE VOTES.
'Cause you KNOW that is where they are headed. Even though the Supreme Court said in the ruling itself, that the ruling could NOT be used as precedent...
So the turd thinks he now has his three relevant options covered...
1. Pootie Poot has the electronic voting covered. That is a done deal.
2. The Supreme Court should rule that this entire vote-by-mail arrangement is for the purpose of harming the election chances of the turd. Therefore they must stop it.
3. But even if they DON'T rule in his favor, the point is moot, since EVERY MAIL-IN-BALLOT must now go through a USPS that has had a turd lackey appointed as postmaster general to completely control the vote-by-mail process, (just like the turd lackey Bill Barr was appointed to subvert control of the DOJ process for the benefit of the turd. Boy THAT one has paid off, BIG TIME).
We better start pushing OUR narrative now, listing these justifications, so that EVERY American will KNOW that THE ELECTION IS BEING RIGGED, right in front of our eyes!!!
haele
(12,673 posts)He doesn't care about mail voting, he just wants to cause chaos in the state so he can claim that "liberal idea" like actual governance and rule of law are useless in an emergency that can be potentially profitable for his fellow grifters.
Haele
yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)so they will hit the streets demanding recounts, or just generally raising hell about mail in ballots.
It is a fairly long reach for the Postmaster General to be sure that enough ballots have been "relocated" to swing an election one way or another. It would be counterproductive for all mail ins to be tossed or lost or whatever just to be sure all the Democratic ones didn't count. Anything they tried to do that interferes with the voting process will cause problems on both sides
For starters, the ballot would have to be opened to verify who the person voted for. So if the voter chose the correct party, there is the problem of getting it put back together so that tampering would not be suspected. If a vote by mail arrived at our elections office with the seal flap over the signature damaged, it would just go back to the voter with a new voting envelope
Now if they managed to shut down the entire postal system by November 3 that is a different matter. I think the plan is to cut budgets, lay off workers, reduce staff in the busiest postal stations and otherwise muck around with the system, but I don't think they can accomplish the complete obliteration of the USPS by November. For one thing, wouldn't Congress have to pass something?
Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)this for years. OUr Senator Wyden has been pushing for national VBM for years also. My primary ballot is sitting on my kitchen table. This year there is a postage paid envelope to mail it back in.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)early voting, kiosk registration. You name it, California tried for the primary. Everyone received a mail in ballot, clearly written instructions and what to do if you wanted to vote in person. You could vote outside your precinct.It was great!
sandensea
(21,655 posts)"Larry Flynt? Hi, it's me Kayleigh..." **dialtone** "Hello? Hello?"
bonniebgood
(943 posts)Maeve
(42,287 posts)At the very least, everyone registered should get an absentee ballot request in the mail (yeah, we're pushing for more, but our legislature are not the best and brightest folks we could have voted for). And it is "no reason required"--if you want to vote absentee, you can. Several things screwed up our primary, including a "download the request form and mail it in" bit of nonsense, but we really are trying to fix it!
TheFourthMind
(343 posts)Trump Throws fit After California Allows Statewide Mail-In Voting. Trump was heard screaming, "These Votes Must Not Count!" while slamming his little baby hands on the tray of his high chair."