Family's autopsy says George Floyd was asphyxiated

[brooklynite]

Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

Attorneys representing George Floyd's family released findings of their own autopsy that said the man was asphyxiated while now-fired officer Derek Chauvin had his kneeing pinning Floyd's neck. The results directly challenged preliminary results from the examination by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office that he was not strangled, but died from other factors, including being restrained.

"George died because he needed a breath, a breath of air," family attorney Ben Crump said during a news conference Monday afternoon. "For George Floyd, the ambulance was his hearse."

Crump added that Floyd "was living, breathing, talking until we see those officers restrain him while he's face down in handcuffs with Officer Chauvin having his knee lodged into his neck for over 8 minutes, almost 9 minutes, and the other officer having both his knees lodged into his back. And the doctors will explain the significance of that, as to the cause and manner of death."

The attorney said that all the evidence to date points to Floyd having died at the scene and not later that night, when he was at HCMC.

Read more: https://www.startribune.com/family-autopsy-george-floyd-was-asphyxiated-by-officer/570918792/

[fleur-de-lisa]

1. Should be first degree murder charges then.

[oswaldactedalone]

6. More likely 2nd degree

with 3rd degree charges on the other three.

[lark]

2. Ellison needs to look into that ME and thoroughly.

Is he lying this time and if so, did he lie about other black victims in the past?

[oldsoftie]

3. Yes. Big difference, I would think, between Heart attack and Strangling.

Unless they present similarly after death. I dont know but i doubt it

[Mr.Bill]

15. You can tell if there was a heart attack in the autopsy.

You can see the damaged tissue. What you can't tell, maybe, is if the heart attack was caused by the asphyxiation. Same for a stroke.

[SunSeeker]

18. Asphyxiation does have tell tale indications on an autopsy.

Victims of strangulation showed a strong alveolar hemorrhage, with alveolar collapse and overinsufflation, associated with bronchiolar dilatation. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11394747/

Specifically with strangulation, there are the following findings:

Features:
Petechiac of sclerae (white part of eye) & conjunctivae (cover sclerae); present ~ 90% of the time.
Hyoid bone fracture.
Thyroid cartilage fracture.
Hemorrhage in strap muscles of the neck.Patterned ovoid contusions (from the fingers).

https://librepathology.org/wiki/Asphyxial_deaths#General_7


I bet he had bleeding in the whites of his eyes.

[oldsoftie]

20. I have heard that too, now that you mention it

[stillcool]

5. that whole justice apparatus..

looks really bad. Lots of one hand washes the other stuff. Probably for generations.

[oswaldactedalone]

7. This is incredibly suspicious

it doesn't make sense that a medical examiner could be that incompetent unless they're in on the fix.

[stillcool]

9. exactly...it happens..

I think once the rot starts, it becomes easier to rationalize what 'doing the right thing' is.

[wnylib]

16. Lot of white supremacy in law enforcement

and related fields. They cover each others' butts

[Mister Ed]

4. Important point: two of the other three officers were not "just standing there".

They were kneeling with their full weight on George Floyd's chest and abdomen. They're out of sight, behind the police car, in the most infamous video, but they're clearly seen in video taken from across the street.

Having 400+pounds pressing down on the victim's chest and abdomen surely contributed to his inability to breath. That and a knee pressing full-force on his neck.

[stillcool]

8. Yeah, no innocent bystanders

I thought they were holding on to his legs, but shifting around a bit. I will never watch that video again, but it sure looked to me like it was very purposeful.

[aggiesal]

12. NY Times has reconstructed the death of George Floyd. (Very Good Time line video)

Security footage, witness videos and official documents show how a series of actions by officers turned fatal. (This video contains scenes of graphic violence.)

This also shows the opposite side of the vehicle that we can't see in the original video.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/police-tactics-floyd-protests.html

I think everyone should see this video. (If you can get past the graphic violence)

[LiberalArkie]

10. There was probably so much weight placed on his neck and upper back that his diaphragm could not

move enough to get air into his lungs. You need a lot more volume of air when a person is under stress.

[SunSeeker]

17. Yup, the knees of the other cops on his back compressed his lungs.

Dr. Michael Baden, renowned medical examiner, on George Floyd's: The autopsy shows that Floyd has no underlying health problem that contributed to his death.

"He was in good health," Baden said. "The cause of death is asphyxia compression of the neck and back."

"What we found is consistent with what people saw," Baden said. "There is no other health issue that could cause or contribute to the death. Police have this false impression that if you can talk, you can breathe. That’s not true." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/01/george-floyd-independent-autopsy-findings-released-monday/5307185002/

And Chauvin had his body weight on Floyd's neck. It only takes 4-11 lbs of pressure to block the veins in a person's neck:

4 pounds of pressure required to occlude jugular veins (preventing venous drainage of head) and 5 - 11 pounds to occlude carotid arteriesLoss of consciousness occurs in 10 - 15 seconds; death within 3 - 5 minutesMay see facial and conjunctival petechiae at autopsy.
https://www.pathologyoutlines.com/topic/forensicsasphyxia.html

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

11. I sort of assumed it was either asphyxiation, or ...

... a lack of blood flow through carotid artery starved the brain.

Asphyxiation, if confirmed by county and state examiners, would point to three officers as immediate cause, the three that were kneeling on him. Cutting off carotid would point to one officer as the cause.

Of course, all four should be charged, for committing the crime or abetting by standing there.

[sandensea]

13. GOPee trolls have been busy trying to second-guess this on Wikipedia

Weasel words to the effect that he had this-and-that condition, and that they are what killed him, are being pushed fast and furious on the Wackypedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_George_Floyd

[JT45242]

14. Crucified by cop

Just heard of the details. Positional asphyxiation which did not allow the diaphragm to operate because of weight upon the back.

This was the cause of death in crucifixion. Those 4 cops crucified Mr.Floyd in broad daylight. They feared no repercussions. They feared no "I am Spartacus" moment. They had no fear because they knew that they had gotten away with similar behavior in the past . They had no fear because the I was fearful defense will only need to resonate with one juror.

This was a public execution....over a non violent crime.

[keithbvadu2]

19. Conflicting autopsies... How do they reach a conclusion?

Conflicting autopsies...

How do they reach a conclusion?

A third autopsy?

Right now, both sides have a result they prefer.

This is going to be analyzed to the smallest detail.