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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 10:03 AM Jun 2020

A Buffalo police officer says she stopped a fellow cop's chokehold on a black suspect.She was fired

Source: CBS NEWS

CBS NEWS June 19, 2020, 9:35 AM

Former Buffalo police officer Cariol Horne was fired in 2008 after she says she stopped a white officer's chokehold on a black suspect in handcuffs. Now, the Buffalo city council is asking the New York attorney general to investigate Horne's firing.

Horne, a nearly 20-year veteran of the Buffalo Police Department, told CBS News correspondent Jericka Duncan the image of George Floyd dying at the hands of police in Minneapolis is triggering.

"Looking at the video, it was very upsetting, and I felt that if one of those officers has stepped in that he would be alive today," she said.

. . .

The Buffalo Police Department brought disciplinary charges against Horne and fired her in 2008, a few months before she was eligible to receive a full pension. Kwiatkowski sued Horne and her lawyer for defamation.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cariol-horne-buffalo-police-chokehold/






https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2885087/Police-officer-fired-19-years-force-trying-stop-cop-choking-punching-black-suspect-face-handcuffed.html



Police officer 'fired after 19 years on the force for trying to stop fellow cop from choking and punching handcuffed black suspect in the face'

. . .

'Gregory Kwiatkowski turned Neal Mack around and started choking him. So then I'm like, "Greg! You're choking him," because I thought whatever happened in the house he was still upset about so when he didn't stop choking him I just grabbed his arm from around Neal Mack's neck.

It was then that she claims Kwiatkowski assaulted her.

'He comes up and punches me in the face and I had to have my bridge replaced,' she said.

Then, in a shocking turn of events, Horne was fired and charged with obstruction.

More:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2885087/Police-officer-fired-19-years-force-trying-stop-cop-choking-punching-black-suspect-face-handcuffed.html

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A Buffalo police officer says she stopped a fellow cop's chokehold on a black suspect.She was fired (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2020 OP
Dammit. This needs to end. Karma13612 Jun 2020 #1
She's working on getting her pension restored. wnylib Jun 2020 #8
I agree Oppaloopa Jun 2020 #12
Starting with the pension is fine. She should have it Period! riversedge Jun 2020 #15
Back pay on the pension wnylib Jun 2020 #16
Sounds good to me! nt Karma13612 Jun 2020 #19
Change.org Petition to restore her pension Duppers Jun 2020 #28
Precedent from teachers for lost time JT45242 Jun 2020 #2
K and R..Thank You for posting.. Stuart G Jun 2020 #3
"fired her a few months before she was eligible to receive a full pension" dalton99a Jun 2020 #4
Or head of the FBI who isn't "loyal" KS Toronado Jun 2020 #5
Yep, so disgusting. Read there are some civil rights lawyers et al taking up her case to try to iluvtennis Jun 2020 #20
oh she will receive her full pension soon Roc2020 Jun 2020 #6
This jerk, Kwiatkowski did it again, was tried in federal court, and served prison time.. Stuart G Jun 2020 #7
And where was the police union PatSeg Jun 2020 #9
She's black. marie999 Jun 2020 #24
And she interfered with abuse PatSeg Jun 2020 #26
Ex-Buffalo cop gets 4 months in prison in 2009 excessive force case marble falls Jun 2020 #10
Thanks for posting details...everyone should read them... Stuart G Jun 2020 #11
Good apples get punished by bad apples to discourage more good apples IronLionZion Jun 2020 #13
Here is a link to a bad cop who got punished...a very long story, but the City of Chicago Stuart G Jun 2020 #18
Great, we've reached a tipping point IronLionZion Jun 2020 #21
Cariol Horne should be recognized wnylib Jun 2020 #14
Good cops are punished mountain grammy Jun 2020 #17
+1. The penalty is severe and serves as a warning to would-be whistleblowers dalton99a Jun 2020 #22
Agree! mountain grammy Jun 2020 #23
Maybe I am mistaken but I could swear this was posted last week or the week before. cstanleytech Jun 2020 #25
Kwiatkowski got 4mos in prison ... Duppers Jun 2020 #27
Ms Horne has been fighting the good fight. Marcuse Jun 2020 #29
Years of this police practice going unchecked. It's staggering. oasis Jun 2020 #30

wnylib

(21,466 posts)
8. She's working on getting her pension restored.
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 11:22 AM
Jun 2020

She should get more than that, e.g. back pay for the months after she was fired. Plus a public apology and special recognition for her actions in saving a man's life.

wnylib

(21,466 posts)
16. Back pay on the pension
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jun 2020

for the years it was denied, plus the months between the time she was fired and the time her pension eligibilty started. Then a special award for her actions in service.

If the 3 cops with Chavin had acted like Ms. Horne did, George Floyd would be alive today. Officer Horne is a hero and an example.

JT45242

(2,278 posts)
2. Precedent from teachers for lost time
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 10:30 AM
Jun 2020

They should use what they did with school teachers who were fired when they got pregnant.

The school districts had to buy the years that they were not allowed to teach for the women when they came back. The mom of one of my best college friends was able to have them buy back her ten years.

So, they could buy back her 12 years and give her the job back.

dalton99a

(81,512 posts)
4. "fired her a few months before she was eligible to receive a full pension"
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 10:58 AM
Jun 2020

A common punishment for any cop who dares to speak up



Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
7. This jerk, Kwiatkowski did it again, was tried in federal court, and served prison time..
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 11:17 AM
Jun 2020

Hit the link below to see the story, Before his arrest, he had become a police lieutenant:
Finally sentenced for this other attack, (not the one discussed in the original post) on December 12, 2018. I guess he served the prison time, and was released to home after that...

https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/pr/former-buffalo-police-lieutenant-sentenced-federal-civil-rights-conviction

PatSeg

(47,463 posts)
9. And where was the police union
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 11:22 AM
Jun 2020

to protect Horne? All those years of paying into the union and they obviously did nothing to protect her from an unlawful termination. So many of these police unions are a big part of the problem.

PatSeg

(47,463 posts)
26. And she interfered with abuse
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 01:47 PM
Jun 2020

by the white guy, who undoubtedly had a lot more clout than she did. It is like a damn criminal enterprise.

marble falls

(57,097 posts)
10. Ex-Buffalo cop gets 4 months in prison in 2009 excessive force case
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 11:26 AM
Jun 2020

Ex-Buffalo cop gets 4 months in prison in 2009 excessive force case

https://buffalonews.com/2018/12/12/former-buffalo-cop-sentenced-to-prison-and-home-confinement/

https://img.buffalonews.com/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJibmNvcmUiLCJrZXkiOiJ3cC1jb250ZW50XC91cGxvYWRzXC8yMDE4XC8xMlwvcm9ndWUtY29wLUt3aWF0a293c2tpLTEtQ2FudGlsLWUxNTQ0NjMyNjU4OTc5LmpwZyIsImVkaXRzIjp7InRvRm9ybWF0Ijoid2VicCIsIm1heCI6IiIsInJlc2l6ZSI6eyJ3aWR0aCI6MTA0MCwiaGVpZ2h0Ijo2NjAsImZpdCI6ImNvdmVyIn19fQ==

The annals of Buffalo police mistreatment of people of color include the case of former Lt. . Gregory Kwiatkowski, shown here leaving federal court, who reportedly called the four African American teens he was arresting "savage dogs" before slamming them into a vehicle. (Sharon Cantillon/News file photo)

By Phil Fairbanks
Published December 12, 2018|Updated December 13, 2018

<snip>

Kwiatkowski grabbed one of the handcuffed teens by the neck and slammed him headfirst into a police car. And then, when the teen's friends reacted angrily, he slammed the others, one by one, into the car.

On Wednesday, the now retired police officer was sentenced by U.S. District Judge William M. Skretny to four months in prison and another four months of home confinement.

"On that day, you disgraced yourself, you disgraced your family, you disgraced the uniform," Skretny said of Kwiatkowski's actions that night nearly 10 years ago.

In sending the former cop to prison, the judge rejected a joint request for probation from the defense and prosecution. Kwiatkowski's recommended sentence was 8 to 12 months in prison.

<snip>

IronLionZion

(45,446 posts)
13. Good apples get punished by bad apples to discourage more good apples
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 11:32 AM
Jun 2020

sounds like the tree may be rotten down to its roots

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
18. Here is a link to a bad cop who got punished...a very long story, but the City of Chicago
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 12:24 PM
Jun 2020

paid millions to those people this bad cop, Commander John Burge, " punished"
......Also, former Commander Burge spent some time in prison..Yes, in prison for harming people captured...Yes, very long, but worth while reading...........

Yes, but many cops were punished because of this asshole, and many payments were made to rectify wrongs..payments in millions of dollars to people wrongly convicted.. read the story..yes, it did happen.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-jon-burge-chicago-police-torture-timeline-20180919-htmlstory.html

IronLionZion

(45,446 posts)
21. Great, we've reached a tipping point
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 01:03 PM
Jun 2020

Enough people have pressured their authorities to expose a lot of this and make it public. More bad apples need to be exposed and held accountable.

wnylib

(21,466 posts)
14. Cariol Horne should be recognized
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 11:35 AM
Jun 2020

as a hero, not only in Buffalo, but across the country as an example of good policing.

dalton99a

(81,512 posts)
22. +1. The penalty is severe and serves as a warning to would-be whistleblowers
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 01:05 PM
Jun 2020

It is a corrupt and dirty culture


Duppers

(28,120 posts)
27. Kwiatkowski got 4mos in prison ...
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 03:00 PM
Jun 2020
Ex-Buffalo cop gets 4 months in prison in 2009 excessive force case

Dec 12, 2018 · Gregory Kwiatkowski admits he "lost control" of himself. It was late May of 2009 and the Buffalo police lieutenant was
...
Found on a Google search - the rest is behind a paywall.)

Marcuse

(7,485 posts)
29. Ms Horne has been fighting the good fight.
Fri Jun 19, 2020, 08:41 PM
Jun 2020

[link:https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/news/2018/02/14/cariol-horne-former-buffalo-police-officer-2017-state-of-the-city-arrest-sentencing-trespass-obstruction-criminal-contempt-

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BY ROCHELLE ALLEYNE
CITY OF BUFFALO
PUBLISHED 10:47 PM ET
FEB. 13, 2018 BUFFALO, N.Y. —

Who could forget the scene outside of last year’s State of the City address?

Dozens of protesters lined the sidewalks and eventually blocked the streets, demanding justice after 20-year-old Wardel "Meech" Davis died in Buffalo police custody. It ended with seven arrests, including that of a former Buffalo police officer, Cariol Horne.

In the end, Horne faced several charges in relation to the case, but was only found guilty of trespassing at a recent sentencing.

This isn't Horne's first brush with the justice system; she was fired from the Buffalo Police Department in 2008 after 19 years on the force.

It came following an incident where she grabbed another officer that she says was beating a handcuffed man.

Since then, Horne has been fighting the state to get her pension and working to set up legal protections for other officers who may find themselves in her position.

"Councilperson Jumaane Williams, who is running for lieutenant governor, says that he will write a resolution for 'Cariol's Law' that will protect officers that do speak out,” said Horne.

But law, or no law, she says she won't let the past silence her.

"I will continue to speak against the wrongdoings in the police department until something changes,” said Horne.
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