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Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:05 PM Oct 2012

J.P. Morgan Accused of Fraud...

Source: Wall Street Journal

New York's top prosecutor filed a civil complaint against J.P. Morgan JPM +1.21% Chase Co., alleging widespread fraud in the sale of mortgage-backed securities in the run-up to the financial crisis.

Eric Schneiderman, New York's attorney general, filed the civil lawsuit in New York state court Monday. The case is the first brought under the aegis of a law enforcement group that was formed by President Barack Obama in January to pursue alleged wrongdoing related to the financial crisis.

More cases from the group are expected to follow.

"We intend to follow up with similar actions against other sponsors and underwriters of RMBS," said an official in the attorney general's office...

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444138104578030903731665328.html

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J.P. Morgan Accused of Fraud... (Original Post) Indi Guy Oct 2012 OP
Finally, some tangible action taken. truthisfreedom Oct 2012 #1
at long last! Go, Schneiderman wordpix Oct 2012 #2
At last yends21012 Oct 2012 #3
Rest of story... Indi Guy Oct 2012 #4
This will provide little or no deterrent if only companies are made to pay. Lasher Oct 2012 #6
Agreed. nt cstanleytech Oct 2012 #12
Exactly. How can we justify locking up people for theft Live and Learn Oct 2012 #13
Well, even better (because this is a civil suit)... Indi Guy Oct 2012 #25
Not enough. The point is that Live and Learn Oct 2012 #27
I know what you mean but... Indi Guy Oct 2012 #31
A good story just before the election, hughee99 Oct 2012 #20
People at Bear didn't go to jail. But... aquart Oct 2012 #26
Uh hem -- wthin 24 hours not 4 years....oh this is just more evidence of what we already knew ... underpants Oct 2012 #5
US biggest banks ripped off American cities with same predatory deals that brought down Greece! KoKo Oct 2012 #11
Thanks for the link to Taibbi. n/t truedelphi Oct 2012 #17
Finally dumped my AARP Chase/JP Morgan Visa dreampunk Oct 2012 #7
Well better late than never, and truedelphi Oct 2012 #18
... will (or may...) only get... Amonester Oct 2012 #8
I was just notified by the state AG that I'll be getting a settlement. FU JPM Chase. tridim Oct 2012 #9
I hope you get a HUGE settlement. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2012 #19
Well I already know it's not going to be huge. tridim Oct 2012 #28
Too bad that we can only get as much justice as we can afford these days... Indi Guy Oct 2012 #29
Chase "bought" my mortgage for zero dollars from WAMU... tridim Oct 2012 #32
IIRC the settlement does not bar you from suing them? dixiegrrrrl Oct 2012 #30
I think I've talked about this with you before.. tridim Oct 2012 #33
As I alluded to earlier... Indi Guy Oct 2012 #34
Yay. DeSwiss Oct 2012 #10
I wanna see some frogmarching and some criminal trials and a whole lotta clawbacks. Bozita Oct 2012 #14
Yep, they create the fraudulent bonds and the FED buys 'em! just1voice Oct 2012 #15
It's a civil suit Jack Rabbit Oct 2012 #16
Is this something with some teeth or action in futility? lonestarnot Oct 2012 #21
power kat22 Oct 2012 #22
Link to NYTimes story here. 99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #23
an investment banker committing fraud? Get out. olddad56 Oct 2012 #24
About time... Tippy Oct 2012 #35

yends21012

(228 posts)
3. At last
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:16 PM
Oct 2012

It looks like all of the illegal or shady activities are unraveling and coming to light. It should be an interesting year coming up.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
4. Rest of story...
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:18 PM
Oct 2012

...The allegations relate to billions of dollars of subprime securities issued by Bear Stearns Cos. before the troubled firm, now owned by J.P.Morgan, collapsed in 2008. The suit alleges that losses on residential-mortgage securities issued by Bear Stearns in 2006 and 2007 alone were "astounding," totaling $22.5 billion, or more than a quarter of the original principal balance. The action asks that the company be made to pay an undisclosed amount of damages "caused, directly or indirectly, by the fraudulent and deceptive acts."

J.P. Morgan spokesman Joseph Evangelisti said the bank intends to contest the allegations, and that it is "disappointed" the attorney general "decided to pursue its civil action without ever offering us an opportunity to rebut the claims."

Lasher

(27,597 posts)
6. This will provide little or no deterrent if only companies are made to pay.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:25 PM
Oct 2012

What we need is criminal penalties against individuals.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
13. Exactly. How can we justify locking up people for theft
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 10:55 PM
Oct 2012

when they have stolen only a fraction of the money these guys have? Either throw open the prison doors or lock these thieves up too.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
25. Well, even better (because this is a civil suit)...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 03:29 AM
Oct 2012

...How about seeking damages in amounts commensurate with the theft.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
27. Not enough. The point is that
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:27 AM
Oct 2012

us 'lessor' people are locked up for much less. Allowing those that can afford to pay to escape imprisonment and all the hardship it causes afterward is not justice.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
31. I know what you mean but...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:37 PM
Oct 2012

...as long as Wall St. owns our lawmakers/enforcers - the white collar crooks will enjoy a double standard of justice.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
20. A good story just before the election,
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:04 AM
Oct 2012

but not much will come of it. Maybe J.P. Morgan will have to pay a fine, but no one at J.P. Morgan will see the inside of a jail because this is from the Bear Stearns days.

I wonder if the J.P. Morgan lawyers will argue that they wouldn't even own Bear Stearns if it weren't for US Government assistance so the Government is partly responsible. (about $29 Billion in a government non-recourse loans direct to Bear backed by mortgage debt, that means J.P. Morgan isn't on the hook to repay it of the mortgage collateral isn't enough to repay it)

aquart

(69,014 posts)
26. People at Bear didn't go to jail. But...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:26 AM
Oct 2012

The lowlife assholes they used to squeeze the settlement out of Bear Stearns spent years not owning their own souls as they traded testimony for early freedom.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
11. US biggest banks ripped off American cities with same predatory deals that brought down Greece!
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 09:13 PM
Oct 2012

}How the nation's biggest banks are ripping off American cities with the same predatory deals that brought down Greece"

Matt Taibbi

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/looting-main-street-20100331#ixzz286FHXtBZ

dreampunk

(88 posts)
7. Finally dumped my AARP Chase/JP Morgan Visa
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:26 PM
Oct 2012

and got a much better deal on a visa from my local LOCAL credit union. We should ALL have done this back in '08!

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
8. ... will (or may...) only get...
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:28 PM
Oct 2012

'chump change' penalties, and the 'guys, guys, guys... don't you evah doowit aggggin otay?' menace

tridim

(45,358 posts)
28. Well I already know it's not going to be huge.
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:50 AM
Oct 2012

But I deserve something for the hell they put me through. In a weird way the settlement will replace the apology I never got from them.

I do know that Chase did several illegal things with my mortgage. If I were rich I could pursue that legally, but unfortunately I'm not. The settlement is my only option.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
29. Too bad that we can only get as much justice as we can afford these days...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:50 AM
Oct 2012

If you don't mind the asking -- what kind of things did Chase pull with your loan?

tridim

(45,358 posts)
32. Chase "bought" my mortgage for zero dollars from WAMU...
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:46 PM
Oct 2012

and sold it to Fannie without telling a soul. They filed no paperwork with the county as required by law. There is no legal record of either sale.

They essentially turned my free mortgage into cash at taxpayer expense.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
30. IIRC the settlement does not bar you from suing them?
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:05 AM
Oct 2012

The trick would be to find a lawyer to take on a suit. I know there are lawyers who do so, no money upfront.
And I know there are several class actions lawsuits.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
33. I think I've talked about this with you before..
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:49 PM
Oct 2012

Nobody would take the case because it was against a TBTF bank.

I'm working now, so I could probably afford some basic legal services. I'd need tens of thousands of dollars to even get started.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
34. As I alluded to earlier...
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:41 AM
Oct 2012

...too bad you can't afford more justice. If I had the resources I'd sue the pants off of them just for the satisfaction of exposing the dirty dealings at Chase & their like.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
10. Yay.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 09:05 PM
Oct 2012
- Just let me know when these bastards are being frog-marched to prison in orange jumpsuits. Then I'll believe it......



K&R

Bozita

(26,955 posts)
14. I wanna see some frogmarching and some criminal trials and a whole lotta clawbacks.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:03 PM
Oct 2012

From the replies above, I know I'm not alone.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
15. Yep, they create the fraudulent bonds and the FED buys 'em!
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 11:06 PM
Oct 2012

It's called "quantitative easing 3" by our corrupt government.

kat22

(4 posts)
22. power
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 12:31 AM
Oct 2012

Their energy division has also run afoul of FERC and independent system operator in California for blatantly refusing to cooperate with the investigators. FERC can fine them one million $ per day while the case is pending.

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