Doctor Visits Dropping, New Census Figures Show
Source: NYT
Americans of working age are going to the doctor less frequently than they were 10 years ago, according to a new report by the Census Bureau.
In 2010, people age 18 to 64 made an average of 3.9 visits to doctors, nurses and other medical professionals, down from 4.8 visits in 2001, said the report, which was released on Monday.
The precise reasons for the decline were unclear, said Brett OHara, an official at the Census Bureau and a co-author of the report. But the changing demographics of the American population most likely had something to do with it.
As baby boomers retire, for example, they leave a working-age population that is on average younger and that tends to use less health care. Still, that is likely to be only a small part of the explanation, as the baby boomers began to move into retirement only at the end of the reports period, about two years ago.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/health/doctor-visits-drop-census-finds.html
msongs
(67,413 posts)you sir, need to do some research. Doctor salaries have pretty much stagnated over the last few years. I can tell you that most of my dentist friends tell me that they are being "killed" with increases in raw material prices- especially for such things as crowns and implants.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Thus, many people are going without.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)how about more people are uninsured and can't afford to go to a doctor? Ya think?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)and that is with my insurance. Can't afford to go unless I need treatment badly.
And doctors are trying to make up the loss by finding things to charge the patients extra for. My last visit, my doctor charged me 300 dollars because I had a pap and asked a unrelated question. He charged me for two office visits. I called to complain and they just said they can do that.
Charged for a urine test that I did not do. Also wanted to set up an appointment just for my diabetes meds, tests etc, even though he had already ordered those test in the last few visits I had with him.
I left the doctor. I really really think he was treating me differently because of Obama. No shit. We talked about it. One day he stormed out of the room saying Obama was going to take his guns. And that "everything was Obama's fault."
Now, this is a man who I loved as my doctor. I was very reluctant to give him up. But a doctor can be that blind and stupid? And then overcharge me? I never paid the double visit.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The double office visit charge etc... seem like he was not being ethical.
I hope you've found a good one.
Freddie
(9,267 posts)Must be the latest rage
My brother's doctor group got bought out by a local hospital and they tried to charge him a $300 "facility fee" (not covered by insurance of course) when he had some tests run. He objected and they reversed the charge (this time) but he's looking for another doctor.
raccoon
(31,111 posts)fasttense
(17,301 posts)ability to pay.
They are just too damn expensive to visit unless you have a very serious issue.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)to come in for a check-up, since "it's been so long since we saw you last."
He's a good dentist, but I simply can't do it right now, as I know it would be halaciously expensive to fix various things I need to have done. I'm even considering going abroad for dental treatment.
I don't think I've EVER been cold-called by a dentist or MD before - well, not quite a cold call, but a business outreach/marketing type of appeal.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)and we have a solo practice. Overhead is more expensive every year. We pay a good salary to our employees and try to keep prices down. He sees a lot of people for free. I wish we had medicare for all. It would save everyone a lot of money.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)and last week she was almost shaking with anger when she said how much she dreads him winning the election..she actually said " He HATES America".
Other than her right wing Fox brain leakage, she is a very good dr.
and
one of the few women docs in the area.
I had to stifle a grin during her rant since I am one of her many many Medicare patients.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The US just has crap insurance.
bucolic_frolic
(43,176 posts)It takes a serious issue for me to see a doctor.
Lyme disease? Antibiotics online. People are
horrified by bird biotics, but inside the bottle the
color, label, brand were the same for me. At half
the price with no doctor visit.
Cough or cold? Homeopathic medicines.
Doctors have been nothing but disappointing for me.
Sometimes it's like a con job.
Standard care, which is only a very very likely cause
for your illness, is ruining medical care. You could have
something else, but it will take them months or years to
figure it out if it's not what's "normal".
Heaven forbid you have a doctor-induced illness. No
doctor will touch the issue. They'll stick with standard
care even if it makes you sicker.
Doctors only practice in-depth medicine when you're a new
patient. After than you're on maintenance.
Much of their expertise comes from Pharma reps pushing the
latest meds to pad the bottom line of the pharms.
Medicine that cost me $30 in 1991 is now available OTC
in the local dollar store.
Many meds available online from overseas.
Vegetables are the best medicine. In quantity.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)You can find reliable medical information online that it would have taken hours of digging at a library to obtain. The information revolution is bound to affect every area of our lifestyle, why wouldn't the number of physician visits be among them, especially as access gets harder to come by for a variety of reasons?
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)Doctors are great if you have something visibly broken or leaking, but after that they are a one trick pony; eat less, exercise more and somehow eschewing any activity that feels good will make you live forever.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You diagnosed yourself with Lyme disease? Uh, really?
Homeopathy is water. It is worthless.
And your bit about Pharma reps is completely ignorant of reality.
You have the right to choose to put yourself at risk, but don't pretend you're not doing it.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)My doctor wanted me to go into his office every few months for a checkup while I was taking the blood pressure meds he prescribed, otherwise, I could not get my a refill. So i found that I could buy the same thing from Canads at a fraction of the price.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I've had matching lot numbers between antibiotics obtained via a pharmacy with prescription and bird biotics purchased on the net
Response to alp227 (Original post)
no_hypocrisy This message was self-deleted by its author.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)can give you medicine for a lot or routine things. I wonder if they counted those visits?
spinbaby
(15,090 posts)Ten years ago, our insurance covered 100% of a doctor's visit. Now it costs $30, so we're more likely to try to wait out problems or postpone routine visits. I think we're pretty typical.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)...because they're earning a lot less, and health care costs continue to rise.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Posted the same thing below, before I read your post.
tjdee
(18,048 posts)Doctors HATE people googling their symptoms and self-medicating. I am trained as a nurse, and in some cases I agree that people are playing roulette diagnosing and treating themselves.
That said, I have no interest in going to a doctor or a dentist unless I need the equipment or prescription medication that only they can provide. There are natural remedies and alternative treatments that can work as well on a number of ailments, for much less money. Sometimes those treatments work better with fewer side effects too.
jsr
(7,712 posts)that the drug companies want to try out on them.
bedazzled
(1,763 posts)i love the way you used to be able to buy Guaifenesin for $4.00, store brand. now mucinex
has cute commercials and costs $16.00 and it's hard to find store brand.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)something to do with it.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I sit in the waiting room for a half hour, and once I get into to see him, it takes at least 1/2 hour before he will see me.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)New patient, looking for a PCP and I had superb insurance. This was in 1998. Last time I went to an MD for a "checkup".
He saw me at 12:15, no apology, I got 10 minutes, blood tests, 3 prescriptions for maintainance drugs I was unwiliing to take (cholesterol, BP, asthma), and instructions to come back in a month to see how they were doing. (I'm 67 now, my BP runs 130/75, heartrate ~60. I use albuterol about twice a year for asthma.)
Needless to say, I never went back.
I've seen physicians 3 times since then, for specific aliments, and got good service for my money.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Except for physical interventions like surgery.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Not even close. The amount of actual education needed to understand is well beyond the Internet, which also fosters who scams on people. The Internet is very dangerous place to get health information.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Which is what the OP is about, and which i was offering an explanation for.
I was not, to be clear, suggesting that the internet is a substitute for a MD anymore than it is a substitute for a JD. However the internet has hit lawyers too, people download the forms and do it themselves. And accountants, and tax people, and car dealers, and mechanics, and so on. I think it's already messing with our disfunctional education system too.
Edit: and yes, homeopathy is crap.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Anyone who has even begun to study physiology etc... and then looked at the reality of differential diagnosis is going to know that diagnosing oneself via the Internet is completely irrational.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)When times are tough, you decide to pay the gas bill and tough out the infection, hoping it will just go away, rather than lose your ability to cook food.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)good medicine anymore.
In more depth:
People have less income available, in general. Copays cost more if you have insurance, and deductibles are higher. If you don't have insurance costs are rising even if you get on a sliding fee scale thing, if you know to ask aboutit.
Providers are less and less able to provide good health care anymore due to increasing costs for them and increasing pressure to shove patients through as fast as possible and then even faster. Many clinics have been bought out by larger groups who dictate the amount of time to be spent on any 1 visit. And seldom do people come in for only 1 thing, or other things come up during the visit (for which they are told to make another appointment). Providers in general are making less and being pushed to do more which makes them quite unhappy.
Outcome is people go to in sicker and take more time. Which costs them more, takes more time, etc etc etc.
Of course there are the CYA tests that are pushed for also. But I see the trouble being it costs more and they don't have the time.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)That's when the devastation of Bush policies really kicked in and killed income, insurance, etc...
QED
(2,747 posts)I forgot the acronym. We have to pay out of pocket until we hit the $2000 deductible. But we do have an HSA. Whoopee! My employer deposits about $600 twice a year and I contribute some each paycheck. I can use that for doctor visits but it gets whittled down quickly.
So I don't go often because of the cost - even though the HSA will "cover" it, I'm saving that in case I get really sick not that it will go very far.
The other reason I don't go often is the time factor. I get there early and wait...half an hour late if I'm lucky. And that's just to be admitted to the inner sanctum. Then I sit another half an hour waiting. Good doctor, good clinic - but they're under pressure to see many patients in a short time frame. Damn corporate medicine and insurance companies dictating medical treatment.
Sorry for the ramble. I know I have more than many people and feel a bit of guilt for whining about what I do have - TPTB want us to feel grateful for what they bestow on us.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)for doc visits until you reach the deductible, and then only a portion is paid by the wonderful insurance corpos. So the premiums + doc visits are all out of pocket until you reach $1200 or $1500 or $2000/year, so people don't go unless they're really bad off. Great system , and I don't see it's any better with the ACA.
Paula Sims
(877 posts)The EARLIEST I can see a local endocrinologist is 12/26, and that's for a 3pm appt. If I wanted a 5pm appt, we're talking February 2013. I don't have the vacation time of others and if I don't show up for work, well, my job could be on the line (and I work as an officer in a bank!). I've tried other jobs, but their "benefits" are the same -- your job is your "benefit".
I know docs work longer than their posted hours, and with the administration forcing them to keep better records to prevent against law suits, it's a nightmare. Seems like my doc's boss and my boss are sisters -- both are Satan's messengers.
I LOVE my personal doc and know he's a hard worker and when he does have evening hours, it's until 7pm but usually doesn't get out until 9pm. Even when he has "shortened hours" (office closes at 2pm), he doesn't get home until after 7pm. He's always running late, but that's because he spends real time with people and usually chats up a storm and gets to know his patients. I don't mind the wait -- I adore him. However, he does need a life. He's only 2 years older than I am and is missing his kids growing up. His wife only cares about being a Doctor's Wife. I feel sorry for him.
The worst part about it is that he's dropping hints that he's going concierge. That's at least $3,000 per year for my husband and me, ABOVE what we pay in co-pays and other fees. We're saving our pennies now because we can't afford to lose him.
Med schools need to open up their enrollment. Not enough docs, too many patients.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Later appointments are kept for people with urgent needs, although the docs I know see people until five or six regularly.
spotbird
(7,583 posts)Docs use Hospitaists,
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Especially pediatricians.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)deductibles/copays; can't afford medications/tests so what's the point of seeing a doctor. Given that Americans are so obese overall and NEED more medical care, it's a pretty scathing indictment of our pathetic healthcare delivery/payment system.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)The same goes with Doctors. I've seen a few Doctors schedule unneeded appointments in order to get more insurance money also.
Shitty Mitty
(138 posts)Every doctor I've ever known does this, and doesn't even try to hide it. Shit ought to be made a felony offense.
crim son
(27,464 posts)We uninsured folks can't afford the visit, let alone the prescription and/or followup treatment and visits.
marlakay
(11,471 posts)who doesn't know you. So I find that I only go when its something I absolutely have to.
Even well checks I try to go when its not flu season
they should have separate waiting rooms for people that aren't sick.
eilen
(4,950 posts)it is at least a 2.5 hour deal. She is elderly and on medicare. Each visit garners more visits. We have to make 2 appts to two different specialists and they are going to call with an appt. for a third. It used to be your gp managed everything unless your condition proved to be more complicated and difficult and then they would call in the specialist. It seems they don't even try. Then they want you to undergo all kinds of screening tests too. If my mom didn't refuse some of them, I think we would be visiting doctor offices twice a week, every week.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Deductibles are higher, copays are higher, and costs continue to spiral, with no fix in sight. And now we have entrenched the for-profit system with a mandate, sans public option.
Given all that, is this news report a surprise to anyone? It shouldn't be.
Have we had enough yet, America?
Shitty Mitty
(138 posts)$600 for a couple of x-rays, WITH INSURANCE.
FUCK THIS SYSTEM.
jsr
(7,712 posts)I have a neighbor who doesn't have dental insurance, and for almost half a year now he's been trying to get his molar pulled for free someplace. He's lucky it hasn't been infected (or if it is, it hasn't gone to his brain).